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So It's a level 3 Zombie Apocalypse. This means it's 50/50 human to zombie ratio the balance of the war could go either way at this point. You for some reason are stuck in a swamp. You are alone and only have the option of 1 edged weapon and 1 gun. You may run into survivors (could be good, could be bad), zombies, wildlife. Lets say the water level is calf deep. To make this a little diffrent from other polls or books I am allowing anything that can be legally purchased, however, the weight of the edged weapon and the gun and the ammo combined has to be under 10 pounds.

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I'm going with an AR15 and an OKC3 bayonet. Push comes to shove I can always spear them from a tree. :crazy:

Edit: Saw that ammo is included in weight...I'm boned.

Edit Edit: After further thought. I'm still going with my AR15 and OKC3 bayonet. Two mags full of ammo, and I'm leaving the swamp ASAP. :awesome:


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Since it's a ZPAC and weight, I'd go:

1. FN Five-Seven...1.3 pounds
2. ZombieTools Reaver Cleaver...3.6 pounds
3. Whatever 5.7 ammo weighs (half of 9mm?)

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A lot of Deet, a mosquito/bug head netting along with a quality Camillus/cold steel or other 24 inch machete and a stainless steel Ruger 10/22 mounted on a folding stock with a factory supressor, a bunch of CCI ammo and several 30 round magazines.

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I will go with a leaf point spear. This one weighs in at 3 pounds can double as walking stick and I can keep it in front of me and poke around for alligators, snapping turtles, submerged zombies. I can even throw it in a pinch and it can be used for quiet fishing and hunting( the latter is gonna be mainly frogs :| ).
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The gun would be a Ruger Single-9 revolver in 22 mag and stainless. Weighs in at under 3 pounds.
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The rest in ammo and mosquito netting.

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raptor wrote:
A lot of Deet, a mosquito/bug head netting along with a quality Camillus/cold steel or other 24 inch machete and a stainless steel Ruger 10/22 mounted on a folding stock with a factory supressor, a bunch of CCI ammo and several 30 round magazines.

I think you are coming in over 10 pounds with this so you are gonna have to lose an item and I don't mean the mosquito net. :lol:


Nope on second look you are fine. Ruger 10-22 weighs in at under 5 lbs and 24 inch Machete is at 2 lbs. Let's say your suppressor is a pound. That leaves you with 2 lbs for ammo which isnt a lot but better than nothing.

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A lot of Deet, a mosquito/bug head netting along with a quality Camillus/cold steel or other 24 inch machete and a stainless steel Ruger 10/22 mounted on a folding stock with a factory supressor, a bunch of CCI ammo and several 30 round magazines.

I think you are coming in over 10 pounds with this so you are gonna have to lose an item and I don't mean the mosquito net. :lol:


Nope on second look you are fine. Ruger 10-22 weighs in at under 5 lbs and 24 inch Machete is at 2 lbs. Let's say your suppressor is a pound. That leaves you with 2 lbs for ammo which isnt a lot but better than nothing.


I'm not sure what kind of 30 round magazines he is using but I don't trust the non-ruger magazines by and large, very few work well. The Ruger 25 round mags are GTG but heavy.

My suppressor weight 9 ounces, although I would go with my Walther MP5 clone that weighs 5.9lbs. After I get rid of the fake suppressor it drops to 4.8lbs, then back up to 5.4lbs with a real suppressor. The mags are lighter too. Otherwise the same setup.

100 rounds of 42gr subs weighs almost exactly one pound. So figure 200 rounds.

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That's all you are gonna take in the swamp? Honestly alligators and snapping turtles would be a problem as you can't hear them coming.



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A lot of Deet, a mosquito/bug head netting along with a quality Camillus/cold steel or other 24 inch machete and a stainless steel Ruger 10/22 mounted on a folding stock with a factory supressor, a bunch of CCI ammo and several 30 round magazines.

I think you are coming in over 10 pounds with this so you are gonna have to lose an item and I don't mean the mosquito net. :lol:


Nope on second look you are fine. Ruger 10-22 weighs in at under 5 lbs and 24 inch Machete is at 2 lbs. Let's say your suppressor is a pound. That leaves you with 2 lbs for ammo which isnt a lot but better than nothing.


I'm not sure what kind of 30 round magazines he is using but I don't trust the non-ruger magazines by and large, very few work well. The Ruger 25 round mags are GTG but heavy.

My suppressor weight 9 ounces, although I would go with my Walther MP5 clone that weighs 5.9lbs. After I get rid of the fake suppressor it drops to 4.8lbs, then back up to 5.4lbs with a real suppressor. The mags are lighter too. Otherwise the same setup.

100 rounds of 42gr subs weighs almost exactly one pound. So figure 200 rounds.

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I might take my Bear Grylls hatchet too. That should take care of the alligators and occasional cheeky turtles.

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That's all you are gonna take in the swamp? Honestly alligators and snapping turtles would be a problem as you can't hear them coming.



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A lot of Deet, a mosquito/bug head netting along with a quality Camillus/cold steel or other 24 inch machete and a stainless steel Ruger 10/22 mounted on a folding stock with a factory supressor, a bunch of CCI ammo and several 30 round magazines.

I think you are coming in over 10 pounds with this so you are gonna have to lose an item and I don't mean the mosquito net. :lol:


Nope on second look you are fine. Ruger 10-22 weighs in at under 5 lbs and 24 inch Machete is at 2 lbs. Let's say your suppressor is a pound. That leaves you with 2 lbs for ammo which isnt a lot but better than nothing.


I'm not sure what kind of 30 round magazines he is using but I don't trust the non-ruger magazines by and large, very few work well. The Ruger 25 round mags are GTG but heavy.

My suppressor weight 9 ounces, although I would go with my Walther MP5 clone that weighs 5.9lbs. After I get rid of the fake suppressor it drops to 4.8lbs, then back up to 5.4lbs with a real suppressor. The mags are lighter too. Otherwise the same setup.

100 rounds of 42gr subs weighs almost exactly one pound. So figure 200 rounds.

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I might take my Bear Grylls hatchet too. That should take care of the alligators and occasional cheeky turtles.


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Right now I"m thinking an AR with a 12.5 inch pencil barrel and the lightest stock I can find (VERT PDW?). Lightest forend. Micro dot.

Essee 6 or RAT 7.

Ammo. 55 gr.

P-mags.

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Alligators are not normally aggressive. Turtles likewise tend to avoid you. Most snakes likewise are not going to attack unless threatened or cornered. Now a crocodile is a whole other critter but there are not in my AO.

In a LA swamp your most probale threat comes from mosquitoes, gnats, horseflys and other biting insects that BTW carry diseases. They can drive you crazy by biting you 24/7. The bites are easily infected by organics in the water.

Use the machete to make a decent spear out of a tree limb and you are basically the apex predator. There may be some nasty hogs or a black bear but even these will be more than happy to run away.

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I disagree. I mean a snapping turtle is an ambush predator with poor eyesight and in water that is the definition of Opaque your foot goes in there they are gonna bite it. Say goodbye to your toes.
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Alligators are not normally aggressive. Turtles likewise tend to avoid you. Most snakes likewise are not going to attack unless threatened or cornered. Now a crocodile is a whole other critter but there are not in my AO.

In a LA swamp your most probale threat comes from mosquitoes, gnats, horseflys and other biting insects that BTW carry diseases. They can drive you crazy by biting you 24/7. The bites are easily infected by organics in the water.

Use the machete to make a decent spear out of a tree limb and you are basically the apex predator. There may be some nasty hogs or a black bear but even these will be more than happy to run away.

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Also I know for a fact water moccasins will attack and chase you. I had it happen a couple of times.
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Several family dogs met their end to these bastards :vmad:

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That is why you make a spear. To deal with the critters which did not get the memo and save ammo.
If you cannot kill a snake or alligator with a 5 or 6 ft spear what are you going to do with multiple zombies.




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More of a fish/ frog gig harpoon than a spear for snakes but the same concept. It would have to be a pretty serious hog that would not run after getting slapped with some bullets.

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Swamp swamp, or just a hammock?

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Good point. Maybe he meant this:

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In both cases the swamp has billions of mosquitoes, gnats, horse flies and other biting insects that are constant companions, 24/7.

There are no where near as many gators, snapping turtles, snakes or critters in general.

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OK how about the Kel Tek CMR-30 rifle in .22 mag? Weighs in at 4 lbs empty and loaded mags are 4 oz each according to the NRA article here
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... num-rifle/

And a cold steel viking hand axe weighing in at 18 oz

That means a .22 mag rifle and 19 fully loaded 30 rd mags or I'll ditch a couple of mags and carry 600 rds.

If you count optics in the weight limit then it will be a little less.

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Raptor nailed it.
I'm not worries about gators or turtles.
In calf deep water neither one are going to really sneak up on you, and you're too big to be a meal for the ones small enough to even have a remote chance of concealing themselves in a foot or so of brackish water.

Besides, make yourself a skinny little raft and you won't have your toes in the water to worry about.

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When are you gonna have time to make a raft? 50 % of the population are zombies feeding on the other 50 % :shock:
There will be utter bedlam and you have to watch out at all times for these :lol:
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When are you gonna have time to make a raft? 50 % of the population are zombies feeding on the other 50 % :shock:
There will be utter bedlam and you have to watch out at all times for these :lol:


Well I"m not sure how a 50/50 situation would look. And if you simply assume 50% of those in any given area are zombies, then it would seem logical that 50% of those folks who currently hang out in swamps would be zombies. Which, given the current number of folks who hang out in swamps, would be pretty small. Swamps are rather unpleasant places to hang out.

And that is a freaky picture. Yes, you would have to look out for them, but I can't imagine there would be very many of them. Maybe within a mile or two of larger LA and FL swamps...or WA swamps...but I suspect not many would make it far beyond the cities?

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Marlin guide gun in stainless and a helm forge bush sword :) but I want good pair of knee high waterproof snake boots. Oh and some cool shades for when I save the beautiful swamp maiden from a gator or ZOMBIE

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