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It's a trade off. The protectionism that the firearms industry enjoys in the US keeps the industry afloat locally. I imagine that M14 copy costs about $99 to make in China. If the market were open they would flood the US with them at about $199 and drive as many gun makers as they could out of business.

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It's a trade off. The protectionism that the firearms industry enjoys in the US keeps the industry afloat locally. I imagine that M14 copy costs about $99 to make in China. If the market were open they would flood the US with them at about $199 and drive as many gun makers as they could out of business.



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It's a trade off. The protectionism that the firearms industry enjoys in the US keeps the industry afloat locally. I imagine that M14 copy costs about $99 to make in China. If the market were open they would flood the US with them at about $199 and drive as many gun makers as they could out of business.


I think it was more of a scandal over improper donations rather than trade protectionism that got Norinco banned.

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It's a trade off. The protectionism that the firearms industry enjoys in the US keeps the industry afloat locally. I imagine that M14 copy costs about $99 to make in China. If the market were open they would flood the US with them at about $199 and drive as many gun makers as they could out of business.


I think it was more of a scandal over improper donations rather than trade protectionism that got Norinco banned.


In the US our government servants will sell us out in a heartbeat for the right donations. Even so they have to balance out the politics of an issue as well.

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It's a trade off. The protectionism that the firearms industry enjoys in the US keeps the industry afloat locally. I imagine that M14 copy costs about $99 to make in China. If the market were open they would flood the US with them at about $199 and drive as many gun makers as they could out of business.


I think it was more of a scandal over improper donations rather than trade protectionism that got Norinco banned.


In the US our government servants will sell us out in a heartbeat for the right donations. Even so they have to balance out the politics of an issue as well.


Good to know we are not alone in that regard up here! :?

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I never trusted the single shots, never trusted .22's, and loved AKs before they were cool 8-) Yeah, I"m so hiptser right now...


I don't care about you guys and your fancy fast 9mm.... I'm going back to the .45 cuz Elmer Kieth said so!!!

Elmer Kieth didn't shoot .45's ( well peacemaker 45 long colt he did). He was a revolver man in .357, 44 , 41 magnum or hot loaded 44 special. I think you're confusing the caliber choice with Jeff Cooper. He literally bled 1911 Colt .45 acp. Image


Just in aside Skeeter Skelton promoted the .44 special in both single and double action revolvers. Couldn't find a picture of the Skeeter Skelton special. But I found a really cool pic of Skeeter.
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flybynight wrote:
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Hey now Jeeper,

I never trusted the single shots, never trusted .22's, and loved AKs before they were cool 8-) Yeah, I"m so hiptser right now...


I don't care about you guys and your fancy fast 9mm.... I'm going back to the .45 cuz Elmer Kieth said so!!!

Elmer Kieth didn't shoot .45's ( well peacemaker 45 long colt he did). He was a revolver man in .357, 44 , 41 magnum or hot loaded 44 special. I think you're confusing the caliber choice with Jeff Cooper. He literally bled 1911 Colt .45 acp. Image


Just in aside Skeeter Skelton promoted the .44 special in both single and double action revolvers. Couldn't find a picture of the Skeeter Skelton special. But I found a really cool pic of Skeeter.
Image And lots of pictures of the Keith special #5 Image



HAHAHA thanks for the quick lesson. I never really read up on much of that. I knew Kieth liked old semi-wadcutters, but I was just throwing out an old school shooter name that popped into my head. I always think of Cooper and the guide gun, and Keith for revolver handloads.

I'm stealing that Seeter picture for a later date

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JeeperCreeper wrote:
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JeeperCreeper wrote:
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Hey now Jeeper,

I never trusted the single shots, never trusted .22's, and loved AKs before they were cool 8-) Yeah, I"m so hiptser right now...


I don't care about you guys and your fancy fast 9mm.... I'm going back to the .45 cuz Elmer Kieth said so!!!

Elmer Kieth didn't shoot .45's ( well peacemaker 45 long colt he did). He was a revolver man in .357, 44 , 41 magnum or hot loaded 44 special. I think you're confusing the caliber choice with Jeff Cooper. He literally bled 1911 Colt .45 acp. Image


Just in aside Skeeter Skelton promoted the .44 special in both single and double action revolvers. Couldn't find a picture of the Skeeter Skelton special. But I found a really cool pic of Skeeter.
Image And lots of pictures of the Keith special #5 Image



HAHAHA thanks for the quick lesson. I never really read up on much of that. I knew Kieth liked old semi-wadcutters, but I was just throwing out an old school shooter name that popped into my head. I always think of Cooper and the guide gun, and Keith for revolver handloads.

I'm stealing that Seeter picture for a later date
Damm, if your dates went like mine used too.. You'd be better off with the #5

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mantis wrote:
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It's a trade off. The protectionism that the firearms industry enjoys in the US keeps the industry afloat locally. I imagine that M14 copy costs about $99 to make in China. If the market were open they would flood the US with them at about $199 and drive as many gun makers as they could out of business.


I think it was more of a scandal over improper donations rather than trade protectionism that got Norinco banned.

Actually it was smuggling full-auto AKs to American gangs and selling missile tech to Iran that got their trade status revoked.

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I never trusted the single shots, never trusted .22's, and loved AKs before they were cool 8-) Yeah, I"m so hiptser right now...

A hipster would buy a Sharps repro.


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For $1,000 up here in Canada, you could get a Norinco M14, a few spare mags and around 700 rds of clean milsurp ammo. Unfortunately Norinco firearms are verboten for you.
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It's a trade off. The protectionism that the firearms industry enjoys in the US keeps the industry afloat locally. I imagine that M14 copy costs about $99 to make in China. If the market were open they would flood the US with them at about $199 and drive as many gun makers as they could out of business.


I think it was more of a scandal over improper donations rather than trade protectionism that got Norinco banned.

Actually it was smuggling full-auto AKs to American gangs and selling missile tech to Iran that got their trade status revoked.


They also offered to sell surface to air missiles to what they thought were US street gangs. Just a company full of 2A freedom seekers.

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Circling back to the topic, I was going to post a list of my own but it seemed fairly redundant so I won't bother right now.

It seems there is some general consensus that one needs a serviceable rifle and self defense handgun - nothing earth shattering there. The real question seemed to be that with your remaining ~$200, would you rather have a shotgun or a .22lr rifle (I'd consider a 6" .22lr revolver myself, but folks trended towards rifles) of some kind.

If I had to pick one, I'd probably go for a .22lr personally. Love the shotgun and all it can do - winged/fast moving game, large and small game with load selection - but given the premise, having piles of cheaper, lighter weight .22lr ammo would be a big plus and with patience and shot placement, could take most anything the shotgun could (don't forget about the rifle for truly large game). A $3 box of .22lr could keep you in squirrel and lil' critters for 2 months or more and weighs nothing. Not so shot for shot with the 12 gauge.

But for the sake of argument/discussion, I'd probably pinch my pennies and get a single shot 12 gauge and a single shot .22 and really have my bases covered. For anything non-hunting related, the handgun/rifle would be the obvious first choices so having a diminished capacity, but greater utility of both calibers would be my choice presuming there was a decent rifle/handgun on hand.

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Also - I had seen this long ago and thought it was relevant. The youtuber also did quick videos for a $500 budget, $1500 budget and I think $2000 as well. He also limited his focus to 3 buys at each level - a rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun.

Can't figure out how to imbed the video, so here's just the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JNFonJPmEc

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Also - I had seen this long ago and thought it was relevant. The youtuber also did quick videos for a $500 budget, $1500 budget and I think $2000 as well. He also limited his focus to 3 buys at each level - a rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun.

Can't figure out how to imbed the video, so here's just the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JNFonJPmEc


If you want to imbed a video, just take the 's' off the 'http' part and it'll show up when you use the YouTube button here.

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In actuality I would probably go with a cheaper handgun but reliable so maybe a SW Sigma in 9mm. A cheap pump action like Maverick 12 guage, and then something with a little accuracy at range like a remmington 783 in 270 Win. I would buy used and figure this would run me around 600.00 bones. The rest to be spent on ammo and a scope.
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A police turn in glock. less than 400.
A nice pawn shop Remington 700 after hunting season is over.
Spend the rest on a lower and piece it together over a couple of years.

I think the pistol is most important because it should be near or on you always. It should be a good one.
I wouldn't go cheap. That's just my experience. A Glock and a decent rifle will do you good until you get the rest of your sh..stuff...money wired tight.

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One of these @ $499 + $25 transfer fee $425
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx? ... 4-18280261

One of these @$199+ tax = $216
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... type%3DGNU


One of these @ $179 + tax =$195 (it will not need magazines)
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... type%3DGNU


Leaving me $162.98 to purchase a used 9mm pistol to stay within the $1000 for firearms.

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I had a HR Pardner Pump in 12 gauge those things weigh about twice as much as an 870 and the metal is a lot like the metal on a Hipoint pistol. Pot Iron maybe. Anyways I sold mine at a loss. It didn't function well. The others I agree with.

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One of these @ $499 + $25 transfer fee $425
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx? ... 4-18280261

One of these @$199+ tax = $216
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... type%3DGNU



One of these @ $179 + tax =$195 (it will not need magazines)
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... type%3DGNU


Leaving me $162.98 to purchase a used 9mm pistol to stay within the $1000 for firearms.

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You sir, should run for public office.


Yep you caught me.

That is why I cannot be a politician. .. when (not if) I cheat and get caught; I fess up. :lol:

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You sir, should run for public office.


Yep you caught me.

That is why I cannot be a politician. .. when (not if) I cheat and get caught; I fess up. :lol:


Might want to rethink becoming a accountant also. :clownshoes:

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I had a HR Pardner Pump in 12 gauge those things weigh about twice as much as an 870 and the metal is a lot like the metal on a Hipoint pistol. Pot Iron maybe. Anyways I sold mine at a loss. It didn't function well. The others I agree with.

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One of these @ $499 + $25 transfer fee $425
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx? ... 4-18280261

One of these @$199+ tax = $216
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... type%3DGNU



One of these @ $179 + tax =$195 (it will not need magazines)
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... type%3DGNU


Leaving me $162.98 to purchase a used 9mm pistol to stay within the $1000 for firearms.

You sure have problems with shotguns

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