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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Kilo147 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:27 am

Mikeyboy wrote:
Kilo147 wrote:Uranium is harmless in its raw form. I have a nice hunk on my nightstand. Cool stuff. If only I could get a hold of the depleted stuff.

But yeah, why the hell worry! Might as well panic about asteroids, GRBs, and Mayan apocalypses.
I have a hunk of Uranium on my shelf right here...

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It's an Alpha emitter. The radiation can't pass through my skin. Same with plutonium. It's just that the enriched stuff likes to flake and oxidize and the only danger is from breathing it in. Hell, my coffee scoop is made with uranium. So is one of my honey jars.

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by MacAttack » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:18 pm

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Kilo147 wrote: Might as well panic about asteroids, GRBs, and Mayan apocalypses.
I do worry about asteroids, since that is something we can watch for, and alter the outcome of. It's why I am a member of the Planetary Society.

http://planetary.org/

Asteroids happen everyday in one way or another. Super mega volcanoes not so much.

I worry more that an asteroid might set off Yellow Stone but in looking at that idea. The size of the asteroid would have to be an extinction size one anyways just to punch through the thinnest portion of the crust in YS and set off the volcano.
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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by ArmchairRacer » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:33 pm

I worry more that an asteroid might set off Yellow Stone but in looking at that idea. The size of the asteroid would have to be an extinction size one anyways just to punch through the thinnest portion of the crust in YS and set off the volcano.
Dead either way.
Double extinction?

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Kilo147 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:19 am

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I worry more that an asteroid might set off Yellow Stone but in looking at that idea. The size of the asteroid would have to be an extinction size one anyways just to punch through the thinnest portion of the crust in YS and set off the volcano.
Dead either way.
Double extinction?

Not as bad as a double secret extinction.

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by ArmchairRacer » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:53 am

I think I'd rather secret extinction, we can't let the Arachnids think they won. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 4z6w&t=503" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Mikeyboy » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:02 am

Kilo147 wrote:
Mikeyboy wrote:
Kilo147 wrote:Uranium is harmless in its raw form. I have a nice hunk on my nightstand. Cool stuff. If only I could get a hold of the depleted stuff.

But yeah, why the hell worry! Might as well panic about asteroids, GRBs, and Mayan apocalypses.
I have a hunk of Uranium on my shelf right here...

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It's an Alpha emitter. The radiation can't pass through my skin. Same with plutonium. It's just that the enriched stuff likes to flake and oxidize and the only danger is from breathing it in. Hell, my coffee scoop is made with uranium. So is one of my honey jars.

I know, I know. I was just being silly.

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by sigma42 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:08 pm

I live in the blast zone so... bend over and kiss my..

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Doc8404 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:54 pm

It probably won't go off, but it could, so it's an interesting question, although we would try and evacuate with our families if it didn't just kill us outright as well, we would head south past Mexico, maybe Belize, and try to deal with having a minimum amount of gas masks and air. :lol: We'll probably die, too. If it happened.
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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by ineffableone » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:57 pm

if YS goes off, I will be on the first boat to the Southern Hemisphere. Preferably to New Zealand, I like the climate there, but I would head just about anywhere South of the Equator. Once in the Southern hemisphere I would then worry about where to actually try settling in.

In general the hemisphere's weather are mostly separate, so the Southern hemisphere would be much less effected by such an event. Not saying it wouldn't effect the South just a lot less. That difference might be enough to be the possibility of survival.
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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by DarkAxel » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:32 pm

Caenus wrote:Why is it radioactive? Is there plutonium in them thar hills?

Inquiring Phoenicians want to know.
Yeah, plutonium is mostly man-made, but very minute quantities exist in nature.

No, I believe that some folks are doing their very best Chicken Little act over the fact that volcanic rocks in the area have been dated using radiometric techniques that measure the ratio of uranium to lead in collected samples. Kinda like Carbon-dating based on radioactive isotopes wrt organic materials. I'm not accusing the OP of this, but a lot of the Yellowstone Caldera doomsayers are surely guilty of it

As to what I'd do, I'd bust out my TEOTWAWKI preps and do my best to augment them before SHTF becomes a daily part of life.

If the doomsayers are right though, I look forward to a very touching and realistic reenactment of The Road. The movie, not the book. The visuals in the film invoked images of Mount Saint Helens and Tunguska. If I'm lucky, maybe I, too, can die of septic shock on the shores of lake Erie just like Viggo Mortenson. :crazy:
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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Doc8404 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:01 pm

I am always refining my knowledge constantly whether abstract or concrete I am always trying to improve. I haven't researched Yellowstone as much as I'd like to so you learn something new. I was ignorant of the non dangers of uranium deposits in Yellowstone and no plutonium and I'm glad I posted this topic to expand my knowledge base, so gracias.
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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by 6MM » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:06 pm

I live in the Midwest. I would hunker down and do what I could, but from the projections I have seen on the tube the ash would probably kill you. To much traffic to try and bug out even if you were on the leading edge of the evacuation.

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Tyndmyr » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:44 pm

I live in Maryland.

If it went off, I think I'd have a coke.

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by druid189 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:00 pm

Doc8404 wrote:I'm one of the whacky's if not Fools who believe Yellowstone will happen in our lifetime. I pray it doesn't since the devastation would be....well, devastating. Not just the loss of life immediately after it goes off, but the plume of plutonium smoke and ash across the US that might go into Canada and Mexico. I might miss the immediate explosion but I'm sure the smoke and ash would get to us, which I'd be swallowing a few potassium iodide immediately and throwing on the gas mask and initiating our evacuation plan either by vehicle or by foot. I know if this did happen those members closest to it wouldn't be able to do much. But let's say you didn't live very close to the blast radius, WWYD? Just interested to hear other ideas on if they think it would happen, or what they would do if only caught near the radioactive ash that would cover most of the US, most likely.
There was a Made-for-TV movie back in 2005 called Supervolcano http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419372/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've watched it recently and the lead-in boasts [in essence]... "a true work of science but is otherwise a work of fiction."

Basically and over time, it will kill about 90% of the planet's inhabitants.

I'm here in PA. The cloud plume will get to me in about 6 days. I have that long to gtfo.

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by teotwaki » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:45 pm

tangentially related but not worth a new thread :mrgreen:

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by tedbeau » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:14 am

What's really scary is in doing some rough math, (I am not a statistician by any means,) it appears we are already past due for an eruption.
2 million years ago till second eruption at 1.3 million years is 700,000 years between. The next eruption was 630,000 years ago, so 1.3 million to 630,000 years ago is 670,000 years between. That's actually pretty consistent at around every 670,00 to 700,000 years. Since the last eruption was 630,000 years ago we are basically "past due" by 40,000 years! :shock:

As far as what would I do, Well I am outside of the main blast zone, but still in the path of the prevailing winds. I guess I would dig in for as long as I could, seal up the house as best as I could and stretch my supplies for as long as I could. Then when I had to come out I would do what I can to rebuild civilization.

I have to go back and see if there were any replies in the later post about the radioactive element of the dust cloud. I wasn't aware of that possibility.

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by tedbeau » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:32 am

teotwaki wrote:Good Yellowstone reference: http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

from that site

Eruptions of the Yellowstone volcanic system have included the two largest volcanic eruptions in North America in the past few million years; the third largest was at Long Valley in California and produced the Bishop ash bed. The biggest of the Yellowstone eruptions occurred 2.1 million years ago, depositing the Huckleberry Ridge ash bed. These eruptions left behind huge volcanic depressions called “calderas” and spread volcanic ash over large parts of North America (see map). If another large caldera-forming eruption were to occur at Yellowstone, its effects would be worldwide. Thick ash deposits would bury vast areas of the United States, and injection of huge volumes of volcanic gases into the atmosphere could drastically affect global climate. Fortunately, the Yellowstone volcanic system shows no signs that it is headed toward such an eruption in the near future. In fact, the probability of any such event occurring at Yellowstone within the next few thousand years is exceedingly low.

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Except that is a government web site and do you think they would really tell everyone that it's about to happen or would they try to cover it up like in the movie 2012? (That's not politics is it?)

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:40 am

tedbeau wrote:
teotwaki wrote:Good Yellowstone reference: http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

from that site

Eruptions of the Yellowstone volcanic system have included the two largest volcanic eruptions in North America in the past few million years; the third largest was at Long Valley in California and produced the Bishop ash bed. The biggest of the Yellowstone eruptions occurred 2.1 million years ago, depositing the Huckleberry Ridge ash bed. These eruptions left behind huge volcanic depressions called “calderas” and spread volcanic ash over large parts of North America (see map). If another large caldera-forming eruption were to occur at Yellowstone, its effects would be worldwide. Thick ash deposits would bury vast areas of the United States, and injection of huge volumes of volcanic gases into the atmosphere could drastically affect global climate. Fortunately, the Yellowstone volcanic system shows no signs that it is headed toward such an eruption in the near future. In fact, the probability of any such event occurring at Yellowstone within the next few thousand years is exceedingly low.

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Except that is a government web site and do you think they would really tell everyone that it's about to happen or would they try to cover it up like in the movie 2012? (That's not politics is it?)
Put away the Reynolds Wrap and ask the all important question "What would it benefit anyone to cover up evidence of an impending Yellowstone eruption?"

A good litmus test is that your example is a Hollywood work of fiction. Besides, the ash would block out the sun, and we all know that the lizardmen are cold-blooded, and would enlist the help of the mole-people to get the governments of the world to solve the Yellowstone problem.
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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by ink » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:26 am

pretty sure I'm close enough that I would just be dead so..I wouldnt need to do anything I guess :shock:

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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Doc8404 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:10 pm

There are only three explanations for the government' to not tell us it's going off that jumped at me when reading some of the replies from Doctorr Fabulous and tedbeau.

1. They don't know. Happens unexpectedly, someone else sets it off somehow, bombs, lots and lots of bombs.

2. They know but not much time to really warn people like last minute or something. Since according to Michio Kaku, we won't have too much time to warn people when it's erupting since for all we know we have been getting the warning signs. You're warning might be massive earthquakes going off and the land expanding like crazy before eruptions or one giant massive eruption, IDK.

3. They know and have plenty of time to warn us but decide not to. Least likely. But if they did the only reason not to warn us, and they'd have to cover that sheet upon discovery, is the obvious likelihood of raising the death toll. Like I said, least likely but the most obvious reason to me if they knew for some unlikely reason and wouldn't tell us.

Radiation shouldn't be a problem, but I'm sure you wouldn't want to be outside much breathing that sheet in with anything less then a gas mask lol.


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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:25 pm

Doc8404 wrote:There are only three explanations for the government' to not tell us it's going off that jumped at me when reading some of the replies from Doctorr Fabulous and tedbeau.

3. They know and have plenty of time to warn us but decide not to. Least likely. But if they did the only reason not to warn us, and they'd have to cover that sheet upon discovery, is the obvious likelihood of raising the death toll. Like I said, least likely but the most obvious reason to me if they knew for some unlikely reason and wouldn't tell us.

Radiation shouldn't be a problem, but I'm sure you wouldn't want to be outside much breathing that sheet in with anything less then a gas mask lol.

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The first two make decent sense. Can't tell people if you don't know, right?

Deciding not to makes absolutely no sense. What's the gain? Even if we assume the worst, and the entire government with applicable knowledge (meaning all those seismologists and everyone else) decide to say "fuck saving lives" then I'd expect to see all of them leaving the US for elsewhere, and I'd at least expect a parting "Oh hey we're already all gone and by the way y'all might want to leave or something."

Things to remember: even if you assume everyone in government is just a bunch of bastards (again, this would include anyone in the chain, from geologists to seismologists to aids and interns, and all the private sector people keeping an eye on it) they still would have to have a motivation. Power? The projections for a catastrophic yellowstone eruption would wreck the west coast and the breadbasket, meaning there's going to be nothing left to govern. The disruption would be apocalyptic. Nobody in the government would profit from that.

Money? See above.

Enslaving America? With what? the military has families out there, lots of bases. We'd be scrambling to survive and get a baseline going. There's no time for the Storm Saxons to enslave everyone for the lizardmen.

Healthy skepticism should be applied. Anyone with prior knowledge would be best served to evac to anywhere and everywhere. That's gonna be a lot of people, which means that people are going to start noticing. Like I said, if you got the idea from a work of fiction, it's a big check against the validity of the idea, especially if the sourcework was a movie about the now-past Mayan pockyclips.
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Re: WWYD if Yellowstone went off

Post by Doc8404 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:11 pm

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Haha lizardmen, the guy who pretty much coined the idea is to me, controlled opposition, he's good, too. I'm not gonna get political brother, PM me if you want to talk that. No, like I said previously least likely, doesn't make sense to me if by some ridiculous chance it did and maybe only 15 people knew about it and for some reason they didn't want to tell anybody. The only reason to me would be for more people to die and whatever agenda would follow that effed up mindset.

But I'd trust most people in government to feel a sense of responsibility and empathy for their fellow human's lives and whistleblow for sure. You mentioned money, I'm sure that's one way to control people but I was thinking fear was the other, which is why when something messed up happens (insert scenario) not everybody steps up and the few that do are either made examples or can't really go anywhere higher in their chain of command because their requests get blocked. Plus, those that detected it may have had orders to keep it to themselves and report it somewhere else in order to prevent a panic, when their is any chain of command things can get compartmentalized.

Yeah so please don't me saying that if some crazy way knew it was going off that IMO the end result was for a lot of people to die was me revealing to you that I think everyone in government are bastards, no not at all only a few, plus I don't know everybody so I can't comment on them personally being bastards or not :lol: , but I threw number 3 in as the wild card, as a kind of response to the question, it doesn't make sense to you. It doesn't make sense to me either because you really would have to be a true sellout to do that.
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