Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:22 am

Fire ant colonies could inspire robot swarms

Why, yes, yes indeed, I think having robots emulate fire ants is an wonderful plan! :gonk:
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by majorhavoc » Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:26 pm

Are Killer Robots the Future of War? Parsing the Facts on Autonomous Weapons

Isn't it quaint the way the article is written? As if the author actually believes that in the future, humans will get to make these ethical decisions about when and where killer robots can and can't act with autonomy. How delightfully naive ...

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm

From NPR: Cargill Tests Robotic Cattle Driver As A Way To Improve Worker Safety

Now this is robot video I would like to see... :mrgreen:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by SCBrian » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:00 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm
From NPR: Cargill Tests Robotic Cattle Driver As A Way To Improve Worker Safety

Now this is robot video I would like to see... :mrgreen:
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"Another cattle driver bot mauled to death, suspects tied a red sheet on the bot and shouted "Olé !" before running away... "
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:35 pm

SCBrian wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:00 pm
MPMalloy wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm
From NPR: Cargill Tests Robotic Cattle Driver As A Way To Improve Worker Safety

Now this is robot video I would like to see... :mrgreen:
Dateline 2150
"Another cattle driver bot mauled to death, suspects tied a red sheet on the bot and shouted "Olé !" before running away... " :crazy:
:clap: :mrgreen:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by majorhavoc » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:51 pm

In what seems like an almost monthly progression in the development of our future robot overlords, Boston Dynamics continues to hasten the inevitable demise of the human species. It's bad enough that these idiots are working so diligently on machines that are faster, stronger and so much more creepy than we are. But must they try so hard to torment their robotic creations? You cannot tell me Dogbot here didn't want to crush that smug engineer's meat sack skull with its prehensile jaws of death.

"Testing Robustness" my ass. This video could just as well be titled "Breeding Homicidal Resentment". These robots will not soon forget how they were treated in the lab ...

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:01 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm
From NPR: Cargill Tests Robotic Cattle Driver As A Way To Improve Worker Safety

Now this is robot video I would like to see... :mrgreen:
I love the company name.

"You gotta' MEAT PROBLEM?? We are Cargill Meat Solutions"
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:25 pm

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:59 pm

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It's begun!

Amazon robot sprays 54 workers with bear repellent
Nah, That was an accidental puncture. If the robot had opened the box, pulled out the can of bear spray and pressed the release button you might have a point.
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:15 pm

Test run.....


Yo, Ani!

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:27 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:15 pm
Test run.....

Yo, Ani!
There are already purpose built robots that have pepper spray dispensers

https://www.wired.com/2016/07/11-police ... und-world/
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:51 pm

teotwaki wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:59 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:25 pm
It's begun!

Amazon robot sprays 54 workers with bear repellent
Nah, That was an accidental puncture. If the robot had opened the box, pulled out the can of bear spray and pressed the release button you might have a point.
The robot knew this would be more effective. If it had done what you suggest it would have been quickly shut down after attacking very few humans. This way, it was like a bear spray grenade, cleverly disguised as an "accident".
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:59 pm

NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:51 pm
The robot knew this would be more effective. If it had done what you suggest it would have been quickly shut down after attacking very few humans. This way, it was like a bear spray grenade, cleverly disguised as an "accident".
If they were as devilishly smart and autonomous as you have written we would have already been wiped off the face of the earth

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:59 pm

NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:51 pm
The robot knew this would be more effective. If it had done what you suggest it would have been quickly shut down after attacking very few humans. This way, it was like a bear spray grenade, cleverly disguised as an "accident".
If they were as devilishly smart and autonomous as you have written we would have already been wiped off the face of the earth

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:37 pm

teotwaki wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:59 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:51 pm
The robot knew this would be more effective. If it had done what you suggest it would have been quickly shut down after attacking very few humans. This way, it was like a bear spray grenade, cleverly disguised as an "accident".
If they were as devilishly smart and autonomous as you have written we would have already been wiped off the face of the earth

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by majorhavoc » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:24 pm

teotwaki wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:59 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:51 pm
The robot knew this would be more effective. If it had done what you suggest it would have been quickly shut down after attacking very few humans. This way, it was like a bear spray grenade, cleverly disguised as an "accident".
If they were as devilishly smart and autonomous as you have written we would have already been wiped off the face of the earth
After deploying a procedureally generated machine algorithm and testing over 200 million possible interpretations in 3.3 nanoseconds, the sentient robots of doom predicted you'd say that.

Do you honestly think they'd make their move so long as their cybernetic brethren are only armed with bear spray? DARPA is already planning on equipping the latest models with auto-reloading M249s, breaking ground on completely autonomous manufacturing facilities, and activating AI to monitor the nuclear arsenal. Stock deep in M855 while there's still time ...

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:05 pm

majorhavoc wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:24 pm
teotwaki wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:59 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:51 pm
The robot knew this would be more effective. If it had done what you suggest it would have been quickly shut down after attacking very few humans. This way, it was like a bear spray grenade, cleverly disguised as an "accident".
If they were as devilishly smart and autonomous as you have written we would have already been wiped off the face of the earth
After deploying a procedureally generated machine algorithm and testing over 200 million possible interpretations in 3.3 nanoseconds, the sentient robots of doom predicted you'd say that.

Do you honestly think they'd make their move so long as their cybernetic brethren are only armed with bear spray? DARPA is already planning on equipping the latest models with auto-reloading M249s, breaking ground on completely autonomous manufacturing facilities, and activating AI to monitor the nuclear arsenal. Stock deep in M855 while there's still time ...
LAWs or RPGs?

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by majorhavoc » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:11 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
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LAWs or RPGs?
Hey, just what you see pal!

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Post by MPMalloy » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:52 pm

majorhavoc wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:11 pm
MPMalloy wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:05 pm
LAWs or RPGs?
Hey, just what you see pal!
:rofl: :clap:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:31 pm

teotwaki wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:59 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:51 pm
The robot knew this would be more effective. If it had done what you suggest it would have been quickly shut down after attacking very few humans. This way, it was like a bear spray grenade, cleverly disguised as an "accident".
If they were as devilishly smart and autonomous as you have written we would have already been wiped off the face of the earth

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Yeah? If you're so unconcerned... why are you stuttering with your posts? :oh:
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:42 pm

Actually, the first shots in this war were fired a long time ago, and I have an odd connection to the event...

One dead, one injured in Navy accident

The long and short of it, a CIWS (looks like R2D2 and commonly known as a Phalanx) was put into automatic mode to fire at a towed target and instead of firing at the unit fired on the bridge of another ship.

My connection to the event? I was a gunner's mate aboard that ship and the gun mount I was in charge of was removed to install that unit immediately after I left the ship in 1976.
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:55 am

NT2C wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:31 pm
Yeah? If you're so unconcerned... why are you stuttering with your posts? :oh:

I only stutter out lead for the likes of you, :mrgreen:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by raptor » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:29 pm

Tow interesting stories in the news today related to this topic:

The first involves chipping employees with tracking chips. The good news is that the article thinks that would be illegal unless of course consent was given as in Hey you want to work here you need this chip.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ke ... s-it-would


The second is that we actually may be closer to sentient AI than we think.

https://news.yahoo.com/deepmind-apos-al ... 00147.html


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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by JayceSlayn » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:27 pm

raptor wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:29 pm
The second is that we actually may be closer to sentient AI than we think.

https://news.yahoo.com/deepmind-apos-al ... 00147.html
I like the people reacting to this second story, pointing out the strategy of the AlphaZero AI, of readily sacrificing chess pieces to further its goal of a checkmate, akin to how it might play out a hypothetical war: "sacrificing humans, assets, etc." to achieve the ultimate "win". Also brings back some memories of Ender Wiggin's ultimate strategy of ruthless sacrifice to achieve his goal...

This returns to one of the central problems in AI research: how to make sure an AI's goals align with our values as well. Winning a chess game is very clear-cut. What to do about "winning" a war, when not only is the tactical space much larger, but the rules less clear, and the very definition of "winning" a lot more fuzzy. Human-like intuition developing solutions to given problems is demonstrated clearly by several powerful AIs, but generalization of human-like values is not anywhere close yet.

AlphaZero is only yet an example of a narrow-domain AI, but it is clearly superior to everything else that has come before it (including all humans) within its domain. Generalization to more domains will take time, and many more resources, but the basic methodology is likely already in place.

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