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Post by teotwaki » Mon May 01, 2017 1:28 pm

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg ... story.html

Here's what's driving North Korea's nuclear program — and it might be more than self-defense

By Jonathan Kaiman

In North Korea, missiles and nuclear bombs are more than a means of national defense — they are, for broad segments of the public, objects of near-religious devotion.

In Pyongyang, the country’s capital, missiles feature constantly in newspapers and on television. They emerge from flower pots in floral exhibitions; loom large in public mosaics; and adorn propaganda posters in factories, farms and schools. They’re often depicted in mid-flight, framed by bold militaristic slogans.

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Post by Halfapint » Mon May 01, 2017 5:39 pm

teotwaki wrote:http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg ... story.html

Here's what's driving North Korea's nuclear program — and it might be more than self-defense

By Jonathan Kaiman

In North Korea, missiles and nuclear bombs are more than a means of national defense — they are, for broad segments of the public, objects of near-religious devotion.

In Pyongyang, the country’s capital, missiles feature constantly in newspapers and on television. They emerge from flower pots in floral exhibitions; loom large in public mosaics; and adorn propaganda posters in factories, farms and schools. They’re often depicted in mid-flight, framed by bold militaristic slogans.

more at link
Cant have a cult of personality and not have a religious aspect to it. The Kim family are thought of as almost living gods, missiles and nukes are thought of powerful. So why not use them to bolster your standing with the people. All apart of the act for this hermit family.

I'm curious of how the propaganda ministry will spin the what our president said about being "honored" to meet dear leader. That will be spun into some sort of dizzying tale.
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Post by teotwaki » Mon May 01, 2017 5:41 pm

Halfapint wrote:Cant have a cult of personality and not have a religious aspect to it. The Kim family are thought of as almost living gods, missiles and nukes are thought of powerful. So why not use them to bolster your standing with the people. All apart of the act for this hermit family.

I'm curious of how the propaganda ministry will spin the what our president said about being "honored" to meet dear leader. That will be spun into some sort of dizzying tale.
I've asked my Korean friends to translate "smart cookie" and it didn't go well, LOL
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Post by Halfapint » Mon May 01, 2017 5:44 pm

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Halfapint wrote:Cant have a cult of personality and not have a religious aspect to it. The Kim family are thought of as almost living gods, missiles and nukes are thought of powerful. So why not use them to bolster your standing with the people. All apart of the act for this hermit family.

I'm curious of how the propaganda ministry will spin the what our president said about being "honored" to meet dear leader. That will be spun into some sort of dizzying tale.
I've asked my Korean friends to translate "smart cookie" and it didn't go well, LOL
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hahaha that's funny! Wonder if something will be lost in translation?
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hahaha that's funny! Wonder if something will be lost in translation?
Respect? :rofl:
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Post by teotwaki » Tue May 09, 2017 1:45 pm

Anonymous warns world to ‘prepare’ for World War 3
http://nypost.com/2017/05/08/anonymous- ... rld-war-3/

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Using their signature Guy Fawkes character, the hackers make several claims about recent military movements in the region — and alleged warnings made by Japan and South Korea about imminent nuclear attacks from the North

China reportedly has urged its citizens in the Hermit Kingdom to return home as tensions continue to escalate over their nuclear weapons program.

They claim that the Trump administration has also been working closely with the Australians, sending a rotational deployment of more than 1,000 US troops to the country, along with a large fleet of military aircraft.
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Post by teotwaki » Tue May 09, 2017 1:49 pm

This deployment has been in the works for a long time. Just the number of aircraft was upped

US military to send large aircraft contingent to Darwin as part of troop rotation
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-24/u ... ia/8206768

The United States will send its largest aircraft deployment to Australia as part of the next rotation of Marines to Darwin in coming months.

About 1,250 US Marines are due to arrive in Darwin in April as part of a six-month rotation.

Although the number of Marines was originally expected to jump to 2,500 in 2016-17, efforts by the US Marine Corps to rein in spending were reportedly behind a move to keep the number at the same as during the last deployment.

The arrival of the planes will, however, constitute the largest deployment of US aircraft here.

It will include four tilt-rotor Ospreys, five Super Cobra helicopters and four Huey helicopters.

This compares with the four UH-1Y helicopters sent for the rotational deployment in 2016 and four CH-53E Super Stallions in 2015.
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Post by teotwaki » Tue May 09, 2017 2:40 pm

On a lighter note: North Korean Surfer Chicks :clap:

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Post by flybynight » Tue May 09, 2017 4:14 pm

You know maybe surfing has changed since I used to partake. But back in my day waves were kinda an essential part of it.
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Post by teotwaki » Tue May 09, 2017 10:50 pm

flybynight wrote:You know maybe surfing has changed since I used to partake. But back in my day waves were kinda an essential part of it.
Ah, my dear friend. You forget that their Dear Leader just has to raise his pinky finger to make waves all around the world! :crazy:
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Post by phil_in_cs » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:48 am

No official word yet on if the test yesterday was in fact an H bomb as claimed, but:
Though the precise strength of the explosion has yet to be determined, South Korea’s weather agency said the artificial earthquake it caused was five to six times stronger than tremors generated by its previous tests. It reportedly shook buildings in China and in Russia.

The test was carried out at 12:29 p.m. local time at the Punggye-ri site where North Korea has also conducted past nuclear tests. Officials in Seoul put the magnitude at 5.7, while the U.S. Geological Survey said it was a magnitude 6.3. The strongest artificial quake from previous tests was a magnitude 5.3.
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Post by teotwaki » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:25 am

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NORSAR has recorded signals from an underground nuclear test explosion conducted by North Korea at its Punggye-ri test site on 3 September 2017.

NORSAR has estimated the explosive yield at 120 kilotons TNT, based on a seismic magnitude of 5.8.

The figure above shows at the bottom the seismic recording of the latest test in North Korea made at NORSAR’s station in Hedmark, Norway. The five upper traces show recordings at the same station for the five preceding tests, conducted by North Korea in 2006, 2009, 2013 and 2016 (two explosions in 2016).

Possible leakage of radionuclides may be registered later and may indicate the type of bomb. These data may be available in a matter of weeks, if there is a leakage from the test site.
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Post by phil_in_cs » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:28 pm

teotwaki wrote: NORSAR has estimated the explosive yield at 120 kilotons TNT, based on a seismic magnitude of 5.8.
USGS had it at 6.3, so significantly more powerful than the 120KT yield.
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Post by MPMalloy » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:13 pm

No easy way out: Trump hints at stopping trade with countries that do business with North Korea after nuclear test
Trump hints at stopping trade with countries that do business with North Korea after nuclear test
  • Among countries that would be affected are India, Russia, and Pakistan, but most importantly China.
  • China is also one of the U.S.' largest trading partners, and a lifeline to the North Korean regime
  • Trump's tweet came just hours after North Korean state television said the isolationist country successfully tested a hydrogen bomb
Fred Imbert & Javier E. David Published 1 Hour Ago | Updated 1 Hour Ago CNBC.com

President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Sunday to say the U.S. is considering slapping a trade embargo on countries that currently do business with North Korea.

So as the world grapples with its Herculean effort to mitigate Pyongyang's threat, exactly how much is at stake?
TWEET: The United States is considering, in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea.
To be sure, North Korea has a small impact on world trade flows, ranking as the 119th largest export economy in the world, according to MIT's Observatory of Economic Complexity. The communist nation exports just shy of $3 billion of goods per year, which include items like coal, petroleum and retail. The country relies heavily on imports totaling nearly $3.5 billion, MIT data show.

However, a few large economies do business with both the U.S. and North Korea. Among these countries are India, Russia, and Pakistan, all of which have strong bilateral ties to the U.S. Most importantly China,North Korea's largest trading partner, looms large in any retaliatory effort. In 2015, China accounted for approximately 85 percent of North Korea's overall trade volume, according to data from the United Nations Comtrade database.

In fact, China, India and Pakistan are North Korea's top three export destinations, MIT figures state, while the Chinese, Indians, Russians and Thais are North Korea's top importers.

Meanwhile, there's little doubt America itself could sustain a substantial economic hit. China is also one of the U.S.' largest trading partners. In 2016, the U.S. imported $462.62 billion in Chinese goods and exported $115.6 billion in goods to China, according to the International Trade Administration — an imbalance Trump has vowed to rectify one way or another.

China under the spotlight

America's relationship with China is already strained, while diplomatic ties to Russia are all but frayed in the aftermath of the contentious 2016 election. With those factors as a backdrop, economists say the U.S. can ill-afford to engage in a trade war with not just one but two major economies.

The U.S. president has repeatedly hit China for not being tough enough on North Korea, while employing protectionist rhetoric to blast what he perceives is China's lopsided trade relationship with America. On Sunday morning, Trump said China "is trying to help but with little success."

Tweet:
..North Korea is a rogue nation which has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.
Yet the president has on occasion lashed out in stronger terms, hinting that Beijing could pay a stiff price for being either unwilling or unable to sway Pyongyang. On June 29, Trump tweeted that China does "could easily solve this problem!"
...they do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue. China could easily solve this problem!
Trump's tweet came just hours after North Korean state television said the isolationist country successfully tested a hydrogen bomb that can be mounted onto an intercontinental ballistic missile. This was North Korea's sixth nuclear test since 2006 and its most powerful to date.

Tension between the U.S. and North Korea has been escalating recently, amplifying the threat of economic reprisals. Last month, Trump said threats out of North Korea "will be met with fire and fury." Last week, meanwhile, North Korea launched a missile that flew over Japan before falling into the sea.


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Post by Stercutus » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:07 am

I am chuckling thinking of the possibilities of the US sanctioning trade with China over NK. It's all politics but opportunities abound.
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Post by aikorob » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:20 pm

http://www.newser.com/story/248583/n-ko ... bombs.html

(Newser) – In the immediate aftermath of North Korea's sixth nuclear test on Sept. 3, experts described the blast as six or seven times as powerful as the one that destroyed Hiroshima. That measure might not even come close. According to research site 38 North, the resulting 6.1 magnitude earthquake must have been caused by the release of roughly 250 kilotons, or a quarter megaton, of energy—equivalent to 17 times the strength of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, and very near the estimated maximum yield that can be contained at the Punggye-ri underground test site, report the Washington Post and Bloomberg. This assessment tops all others so far: US intelligence said the blast was 140 kilotons, while South Korea said it was 50 kilotons.

Pyongyang says it tested a hydrogen bomb that can be mounted on an intercontinental ballistic missile, but South Korea's Nuclear Safety and Security Commission has been unable to confirm that. Though the commission found the xenon-133 isotope in air samples collected after the nuclear test, other radioactive isotopes normally present during a nuclear explosion weren't detected, reports the AP. Tritium, traces of which are typically found after a hydrogen bomb is detonated, was one of those noticeably absent. That doesn't mean the North is misleading the international community, however. The North made changes "to make radioactivity less detectable from a distance" after a 2006 nuclear test sent xenon and krypton isotopes into the atmosphere, the AP notes.
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Post by JayceSlayn » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:06 pm

Breaking update: NK launches another missile over Japan...http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/14/asia/nort ... index.html
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Post by MPMalloy » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:40 pm

From NPR: Trump Administration Orders New Sanctions On North Korea
Trump Administration Orders New Sanctions On North Korea September 21, 2017 11:04 AM ET By Scott Horsley

Updated at 12:59 p.m. ET

President Trump ordered new economic sanctions Thursday against any bank or other company doing business with North Korea, in response to Pyongyang's renegade nuclear program.

The move is designed to tighten the economic screws on North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, in hopes of halting his development of nuclear warheads and the missiles to deliver them.

"For much too long, North Korea has been allowed to abuse the international financial system to facilitate funding for its nuclear weapons and missile programs," Trump said. "Tolerance for this disgraceful practice must end now."

Trump made the announcement during a lunchtime meeting in New York with leaders of South Korea and Japan — two U.S. allies that have been shaken by North Korea's nuclear saber rattling.

He also said China had taken steps to limit financing to North Korea, citing a surprise directive from the Chinese Central Bank. China is North Korea's No. 1 trading partner.

Trump signed an executive order expanding the authority of the U.S. Treasury Department to target individuals, banks and other companies that finance or facilitate trade with North Korea.

"Our new executive order will cut off sources of revenue that fund North Korea's efforts to develop the deadliest weapons known to humankind," the president said.

While the sanctions could affect businesses throughout the world, Trump said they're squarely aimed at Pyongyang.

"I want to be clear. The order targets only one country, and that country is North Korea," Trump said. "Foreign banks will face a clear choice: Do business with the United States or facilitate trade with the lawless regime in North Korea, and they won't have so much trade."

Last week, North Korea launched a ballistic missile high over Japanese territory.

"North Korea has continued to make provocations, and this is extremely deplorable," South Korean President Moon Jae-in said earlier Thursday through an interpreter. "But the U.S. has responded firmly and in a very good way."

Trump kidded Moon about his use (or his interpreter's use) of the word "deplorable."

"That's been a very lucky word for me and many millions of people," Trump said.

During his speech to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, Trump warned that the United States would "totally destroy" North Korea if forced to defend itself or its allies against a nuclear attack. But he held out hope that could be avoided through economic and diplomatic pressure.

Trump praised the U.N. Security Council for passing two recent resolutions against North Korea that the president called "hard hitting." But he added additional measures would be necessary to rein in the North Korean leader.

"We must do much more," Trump said. "It is time for all nations to work together to isolate the Kim regime until it ceases its hostile behavior."

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is scheduled to brief reporters later Thursday.

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Post by teotwaki » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:01 pm

Experts: North Korea Targeted U.S. Electric Power Companies

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....cybersecurity company FireEye says in a new report to private clients, obtained exclusively by NBC News, that hackers linked to North Korea recently targeted U.S. electric power companies with spearphishing emails. The emails used fake invitations to a fundraiser to target victims.....
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Post by flybynight » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:28 pm

teotwaki wrote:Experts: North Korea Targeted U.S. Electric Power Companies

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-kore ... es-n808996

....cybersecurity company FireEye says in a new report to private clients, obtained exclusively by NBC News, that hackers linked to North Korea recently targeted U.S. electric power companies with spearphishing emails. The emails used fake invitations to a fundraiser to target victims.....
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Post by raptor » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:24 pm

I just a headline that said a NorK EMP attack would wipe out 90% of the US population. :roll:

I am not going to post the article because it is really too painfully ignorant to read.

Still the hyperbolic exaggeration and panic is interesting.

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Post by NamelessStain » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:55 am

90% may be a bit high imo, but think about how much of our society is based on electricity. Also the food chain from farm to cities would be deeply impacted. Just think of the madness of people trying to escape the Northeast Megalopolis to find food. It would almost be like watching locus (humans) devouring the countrysides.
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Post by MPMalloy » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:23 am

NamelessStain wrote:90% may be a bit high imo, but think about how much of our society is based on electricity. Also the food chain from farm to cities would be deeply impacted. Just think of the madness of people trying to escape the Northeast Megalopolis to find food. It would almost be like watching locus (humans) devouring the countrysides.
I could see that happening. I truly hope not, but maybe.

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Post by Iowa_guy » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:04 am

raptor wrote:I just a headline that said a NorK EMP attack would wipe out 90% of the US population. :roll:

I am not going to post the article because it is really too painfully ignorant to read.

Still the hyperbolic exaggeration and panic is interesting.
Did this "article" claim the deaths would be the direct result of the EMP? or just the effects of no power?

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