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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

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Stercutus wrote:Well there is always change. It could be like that penny tray at the Quikke-mart. We give NK pennies and they give us nukes? Wait... we already tried that...
About 18 years ago, give or take a couple of years?
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Post by Evan the Diplomat » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:57 pm

Some of the buzz I'm hearing from open sources was that this was a bit of a squib. A big bang, but not big enough to have caused the fusion of an H-bomb vs the fission of the A-bomb. Still, I'm impressed by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's ability to multi-task; nuclear arms (check) hoops with my homie Dennis Rodman (check) hand select new NK-Pop girl band (check)
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Evan the Diplomat wrote:Some of the buzz I'm hearing from open sources was that this was a bit of a squib. A big bang, but not big enough to have caused the fusion of an H-bomb vs the fission of the A-bomb. Still, I'm impressed by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's ability to multi-task; nuclear arms (check) hoops with my homie Dennis Rodman (check) hand select new NK-Pop girl band (check)
Hey, he cut back a bit on the Hennesy and the docs took care of his gout....he's ready for prime time!
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Post by DarkAxel » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:52 pm

CNN wrote: North Korea may have tested components of a hydrogen bomb

(CNN)The U.S. now believes North Korea might have attempted to test components of a hydrogen bomb on January 6, after further review and analysis of the latest intelligence information.

A U.S. official directly familiar with the latest U.S. assessment said there may have been a partial, failed test of some type of components associated with a hydrogen bomb.

The assessment comes after careful examination of the latest intelligence analysis of the test data. But the official emphasized there is no final conclusion.

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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

Post by Stercutus » Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:13 am

This is interesting:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/11 ... tcmp=hpbt1

South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reported that the colonel is viewed as an elite member of North Korean society by other defectors from the Communist dictatorship.

"He is believed to have stated details about the bureau's operations against South Korea to authorities here," the agency quoted a source as saying.

The announcement of the colonel's defection came three days after South Korea revealed 13 North Koreans working at the same restaurant in a foreign country had defected to the South, the largest group defection since North Korea's young leader Kim Jong Un took power in late 2011. South Korean media reported the restaurant is located in the eastern Chinese city of Ningbo.
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Post by phil_in_cs » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:17 am

Facebook popped this up today as a "memory" of a post I made three years ago:

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Has to say something that the same issue is still topical, but I'm not quite clear on what it says.
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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

Post by Stercutus » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:27 pm

Watch out Irony... your ass is next...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31461.html

http://www.dailydot.com/unclick/north-k ... s-sarcasm/

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Post by teotwaki » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:57 pm

There were not any recent enough threads to necromance so here is a generic one for potential disasters from north of the 38th Parallel
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How North Korea Could Make Good On Its Promise To Erase The United States

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/nor ... alypse-us/

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Re: North Korea

Post by Stercutus » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:27 am

There is a mega NK thread.

I made that same observation in the article about a year ago. Posted somewhere around here.

BTW, it isn't just the US.

Everyone on the planet would die, not just the US.
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Stercutus wrote:Everyone on the planet would die, not just the US.
Everyone on the planet? Like, total human extinction?

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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

Post by sheddi » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:03 pm

I've merged the NK threads.
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Stercutus wrote:Everyone on the planet would die, not just the US.
Everyone on the planet? Like, total human extinction?
Not a chance. Somebody's been reading Lights Out and has decided to treat it as a documentary, not a clever piece of speculative fiction.
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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

Post by Stercutus » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:45 pm

sheddi wrote:I've merged the NK threads.
quazi wrote:
Stercutus wrote:Everyone on the planet would die, not just the US.
Everyone on the planet? Like, total human extinction?
Not a chance. Somebody's been reading Lights Out and has decided to treat it as a documentary, not a clever piece of speculative fiction.
I am not sure which Light's Out you are referencing. Flooding the planet with deadly radiation will kill everyone eventually.
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Post by teotwaki » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:54 am

A good site about North Korea

http://38north.org/
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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

Post by sheddi » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:57 pm

Stercutus wrote:
sheddi wrote:I've merged the NK threads.
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Stercutus wrote:Everyone on the planet would die, not just the US.
Everyone on the planet? Like, total human extinction?
Not a chance. Somebody's been reading Lights Out and has decided to treat it as a documentary, not a clever piece of speculative fiction.
I am not sure which Light's Out you are referencing. Flooding the planet with deadly radiation will kill everyone eventually.
Everybody dies eventually, but I don't see how the scenario described in that article can result in everyone dying in short order.

Let's make a few sweping assumptions (all of which can be challenged):
- NK is working on a Super-EMP weapon.
- NK uses this Super-EMP weapon.
- The Super-EMP weapon destroys electricity grids worldwide.
- As a result of the electricity grids being destroyed, every nuclear power plant in the world melts down and breaks its containment.

There are 447 nuclear power reactors in the world.

Let's assume that each of these is as bad as Chernobyl (the worst reactor breach to date). Let's also assume they are spread out so the patches of land affected by their radioactive contamination don't overlap.

The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone is approximately 1000 square miles. In practice a good part of this can still be occupied and farmed in sorta-safety, but let's imagine that it's all uninhabitable. If all 447 reactors have the same consequences as Chernobyl, that's 447,000 square miles of "dead" land. Roughly two-thirds the size of Alaska.

That doesn't sound like game over to me.
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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

Post by Stercutus » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:15 pm

A few notes:


- There are 447 [operable] nuclear power reactors in the world. There 100s more that have been decommissioned. Of those 100s will continue to produce radiation and most be tended to with pumps for years (some for decades) and would suffer a melt down if deprived of coolant. As your link pointed out there are a number more that are under construction.

These are just known reactors connected to the grid. There are several hundred more reactors not connected to the grid, although most of these are small and/ or on naval vessels.

The plants are located in not good locations, Like Alameda County, CA, Homestead (Miami), FL and Buchanan, NY. Aside from the fact that tens of millions are located in the areas that would be affected in just the above three plants when the people that are there are forced to evacuate (assuming they even could leave) they will then go to areas with no infrastructure support.

Let's assume that each of these is as bad as Chernobyl (the worst reactor breach to date). Let's also assume they are spread out so the patches of land affected by their radioactive contamination don't overlap.
That's a bad assumption for a number of reasons. Thousands of people responded to the disaster and were able to a degree mitigate the effects using air craft, heavy machinery and other equipment that likely would be unavailable. Regardless how bad was just one?

The effected area:

http://www.zonu.com/images/0X0/2009-09- ... t-1996.jpg

Maybe worse than you might think:

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The fallout was world wide, not just the area effected that was deemed uninhabitable for decades:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4hs ... 1_1280.jpg

Ok, well you are probably thinking the effects were not that bad even if they were wide spread. We are only talking a few thousand dead from disease related to the accident.. Now multiply the effects hundreds of times. Multiply the amount of radiation released hundreds of times... A US wide EMP would result in flooding the entire Northern Hemisphere with radiation. A world wide EMP effect would be much worse.

I imagine there will be some survivors, not many. Living on a poisoned, wrecked planet with some early industrial age technology. Then again the effects could sterilize nearly all animal life and then we end up with the ultimate reset in the end game.

Of course I can't really say for certain but there is strong potential there.
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Re: North Korea Saber Rattling

Post by sheddi » Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:50 am

Stercutus wrote:There 100s more that have been decommissioned. Of those 100s will continue to produce radiation and most be tended to with pumps for years (some for decades) and would suffer a melt down if deprived of coolant.
Decommissioned reactors are soon defuelled and made passively safe so they don't need active cooling. Fukushima Daiichi units 4, 5 and 6 were shut down (not decommissioned, note) at the time of the earthquake & tsunami and survived without meltdown.
These are just known reactors connected to the grid. There are several hundred more reactors not connected to the grid, although most of these are small and/ or on naval vessels.
The amount of radioactivity associated with any of these is tiny compared to a Chernobyl-style RBMK or even a PWR.
The plants are located in not good locations, Like Alameda County, CA, Homestead (Miami), FL and Buchanan, NY. Aside from the fact that tens of millions are located in the areas that would be affected in just the above three plants when the people that are there are forced to evacuate (assuming they even could leave) they will then go to areas with no infrastructure support.
For the puropses of this discussion I'm happy to assume that these tens of millions all die. There are an estimated seven billion humans on the planet., and many of them are distant from a nuclear power plant.

Here's a map:
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Let's assume that each of these is as bad as Chernobyl (the worst reactor breach to date). Let's also assume they are spread out so the patches of land affected by their radioactive contamination don't overlap.
That's a bad assumption for a number of reasons. Thousands of people responded to the disaster and were able to a degree mitigate the effects using air craft, heavy machinery and other equipment that likely would be unavailable.
Despite the heroics, firefighting efforts at Chernobyl were not very effective at reducing the radiation release. The incident occurred on the 26th of April; the fire in the reactor core burned until the 10th of May, and it's been reported that well over half the graphite was consumed. (I'll note in passing that graphite-based reactors are relatively uncommon although the UK has several.)
Regardless how bad was just one?
The effected area:
http://www.zonu.com/images/0X0/2009-09- ... t-1996.jpg
The great thing about radiation is that it's easy to detect with modern instruments, even at levels that have little to no health consequences.
Maybe worse than you might think:
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The worldwide average background radiation level is around 2.4 mSv/yr but there are parts of the world where the background radiation level is closer to 100 mSv/yr with no apparent effects on the local inhabitants. Looking at the left-hand map, the only area where dose rates are going to exceed 100mSv/yr is the darkest red and black.

Then you need to recognise that those dose rates will fall away rapidly with time, as the short-lived radioisotopes decay.
The fallout was world wide, not just the area effected that was deemed uninhabitable for decades:
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4hs ... 1_1280.jpg
At the risk of repeating myself, just because you can measure it doesn't mean it's going to kill you.
Ok, well you are probably thinking the effects were not that bad even if they were wide spread. We are only talking a few thousand dead from disease related to the accident.. Now multiply the effects hundreds of times. Multiply the amount of radiation released hundreds of times... A US wide EMP would result in flooding the entire Northern Hemisphere with radiation. A world wide EMP effect would be much worse.
I tihnk I've talked about this already. A few thousand dead is statistical noise. Even a billion dead would only put the world population back to where it was in 2002.
I imagine there will be some survivors, not many. Living on a poisoned, wrecked planet with some early industrial age technology. Then again the effects could sterilize nearly all animal life and then we end up with the ultimate reset in the end game.
Judging from the map above the US, Europe and Japan cound have trouble but I doubt the populations of South America, Africa, Central Asia and Australasia will be badly affected. I'm sure the socio-economic impacts will be huge but radiation is unlikely to bother them.
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Post by teotwaki » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:21 am

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/ ... 475866008/

Report: U.S. Pacific Command chief tells troops to be ready to 'fight tonight'
By Elizabeth Shim Contact the Author | Oct. 7, 2016 at 2:58 PM

TOKYO, Oct. 7 (UPI) -- The head of the U.S. Pacific Command has asked troops to be thoroughly prepared for possible North Korea provocations during an upcoming anniversary.

Adm. Harry Harris told U.S. military personnel at Yokota Air Base in Japan on Friday that they should be "ready to fight [North Korea] tonight," Japanese television network Asahi TV reported.

Harris made the remark during an inaugural ceremony for Lt. Gen. Jerry P. Martinez, who is now in command of U.S. Forces Japan.

Harris, who recently met with Japanese Defense Minister Tomomi Inada regarding enhanced cooperation, described North Korea's provocative actions, including missile and nuclear tests, as the most urgent threat, according to Asahi TV.

The U.S. Pacific Command chief also said that while there is room for debate regarding North Korea's progress in nuclear warhead miniaturization, it is important to work with the countries concerned to combat the threats.

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Post by Stercutus » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:45 pm

They need to be ready to fight every night. This is nothing new. Ever since the US was not ready to fight in Korea (TF Smith) they have made it a mission to be ready always. Readiness is approached in a completely different way in Korea then just about anywhere the US has forces posted outside of an actual war zone.
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Post by raptor » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:27 am

Kim reportedly poisoned his half brother.

I guess Thanksgiving dinner at the Jong Un household is going to even more awkward than usual this year.
Half-brother of North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un was assassinated on Tuesday at a Malaysian airport, media reported, citing a source in the South Korean government.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un watches landing and anti-landing exercises being carried out by the Korean People's Army (KPA) at an unknown location, in this undated photo released by North Korea's Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) in Pyongyang on March 20, 2016
According to the Yonhap news agency, the Chosun broadcaster said earlier in the day that Kim Jong Nam was killed by two unidentified women with poisoned needles at an airport in Malaysia. The police reportedly suspect the killers of having links to North Korea.
Kim Jong Nam is the eldest son of North Korea's late leader Kim Jong Il and actress Sung Hae Rim, who passed away in 2002.

Kim left the country long ago and resided in Macau, where he had business. Before leaving the country he was considered as the main candidate for succeeding Kim Jong Il.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017021410 ... m-brother/


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... s-poison1/

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Post by raptor » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:19 pm

More on Kim Jong-nam's murder.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... nsbrother/
Kim Jong-nam wrote to Kim Jong-un in 2012 asking his half-brother and the recently anointed dictator of North Korea to spare his life and that of his family, the head of South Korea's National Intelligence Service revealed on Wednesday.

It comes as new pictures of a woman alleged to have been linked to the assassination team that killed the older brother of North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un in Kuala Lumpur have been released by Malaysian media.

Kim Jong-nam, 45, died on Monday after collapsing at Kuala Lumpur International Airport while waiting to board a flight back to Macau, where he was living in exile.

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