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Post by NamelessStain » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:22 am

Mostly due to the "no power" thing.

<sarcasm> Imagine not being able to update your facebook, that alone will kill 20%! </sarcasm>

Ironically when one social media site has a down time, people flock to others to complain.
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Post by Stercutus » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:02 am

If it shuts down all the smart phones people might be too dumb to survive.
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Post by teotwaki » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:34 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea- ... 44792.html

More than 200 people are believed to have died in underground tunnels after a collapse at North Korea’s Punggye-ri nuclear facility

South Korean and Chinese scientists worry that a collapse at the mountain could trigger a radiation leak.

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Post by 00dlez » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:35 pm

teotwaki wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea- ... 44792.html

More than 200 people are believed to have died in underground tunnels after a collapse at North Korea’s Punggye-ri nuclear facility

South Korean and Chinese scientists worry that a collapse at the mountain could trigger a radiation leak.
Great.... now we have to worry if they succeed OR if they fail.
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Post by MPMalloy » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:51 pm

teotwaki wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea- ... 44792.html

More than 200 people are believed to have died in underground tunnels after a collapse at North Korea’s Punggye-ri nuclear facility

South Korean and Chinese scientists worry that a collapse at the mountain could trigger a radiation leak.

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North Korea on Verge of Catastrophe at Nuclear Test Site, China Warns
http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-ver ... hoous/news
Not good.

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Post by Dabster » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:03 pm

Stercutus wrote:If it shuts down all the smart phones people might be too dumb to survive.
There's an app for that!

Oh. Wait..
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Post by Asymetryczna » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:50 pm

You may have already seen these “open source” reports, but if you haven’t it makes for some interesting reading and makes you smarter than most of the people depending on a sound bite overheard on a tv show while they were in the barber shop.

This Missile Could Reach California

And perhaps the larger threat:

Harvard Report: North Korea’s Biological Weapons Program
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Post by MPMalloy » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:56 pm

HNK World Radio, Japan just stated that a DPRK regular defected yesterday. He was shot by his "comrades" while crossing over.

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Post by yossarian » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:04 pm

MPMalloy wrote:HNK World Radio, Japan just stated that a DPRK regular defected yesterday. He was shot by his "comrades" while crossing over.

Apparently gunshot wounds and parasites are nasty combo.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korean ... 56241.html
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Post by raptor » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:26 pm

Geez 10 inches!? I am no expert but I bet that parasite was there a while and was likely not very pleasant to have in his gut.

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Post by Asymetryczna » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:04 am

It paints an ugly picture too, all those worm-infested crazies. I am not saying that it isn't true, but in the era of hoaxes, errr, fake news, seeing isn't always believing.
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Post by yossarian » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:52 pm

Asymetryczna wrote:It paints an ugly picture too, all those worm-infested crazies. I am not saying that it isn't true, but in the era of hoaxes, errr, fake news, seeing isn't always believing.
Fair enough. The thought had crossed my mind that maybe he was "highly encouraged" to cross over by his superiors in order to further the nose thumbing on a more personal level.

There is also this.https://www.yahoo.com/news/kim-jong-un- ... 21968.html
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Post by MPMalloy » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:18 am

From NBC News: North Korean defectors say nuclear tests have ravaged their health
SEOUL, South Korea — Defectors who lived near North Korea’s nuclear testing site say they believe they are suffering from exposure to radiation and fear for the health of family members still living there.

Standing about 5 feet tall, Lee Jeong Hwa walks with a slight limp. Middle-aged with an ashen gray complexion and deep-set dark brown eyes, Lee says she's in constant pain.

But back home, things are much worse, she says.

"So many people died we began calling it 'ghost disease,'" she said. "We thought we were dying because we were poor and we ate badly. Now we know it was the radiation."

As Lee rubs her sore right leg in the office of SAND, a nongovernmental organization in Seoul that advocates human rights in North Korea, she recounted how she was caught trying to flee the country in 2003.

She eventually escaped in 2010 from her home in Kilju County, home of North Korea’s nuclear testing site, Punggye-ri.

During the last seven years Lee lived in the North, the leader at the time, Kim Jong Il, test-detonated two nuclear bombs near her home. Since Kim's death in 2011, his son and heir, Kim Jong Un, has tested four more. He claimed the one tested in September was a hydrogen bomb.

According to the World Health Organization, radiation can impair the functioning of tissues and organs, depending on the level of exposure. At lower doses, it says, there’s a long-term risk of cancer.

Lee and other defectors are adamant these tests have had a detrimental effect on their health. The scientific evidence and expert opinion, however, is not so conclusive.

South Korea’s Ministry of Unification has been testing Lee and 29 other defectors from Kilju for radiation contamination. Lee told NBC News that her test results have already come back — and they’re clean.

Related: They fled North Korea but are paying a heavy price

And aside from the testimony of Lee and others, it's hard to verify radiation as the cause of the widespread illnesses, such as leukemia and other cancers, that defectors say have been ravaging Kilju.

Suh Kune-yull, a professor of nuclear engineering at Seoul National University (SNU), says the reality is that researchers are suffering from a "total lack of data."

"I don’t think they’re lying," Kune-yull says of the defectors. "We have to take their word, but I don’t have much reliable information."

A spokesman for the Korea Institute of Nuclear Safety told NBC News it’s "assumed" that exposure to radioactive material from the underground test site is excessive, but it’s difficult to confirm.

Both Lee and Rhee Yeong Sil, another defector at the SAND office, say for years they had no idea North Korea was testing nuclear devices. They ignored the tremors and only discovered the truth after fleeing their homeland.

Rhee, who is in her 60s and defected in 2013, says that she lived just a few miles from the Punggye-ri test site, and that her neighbor gave birth to a deformed baby.

"We couldn’t determine the gender of the baby, because it didn’t have any genitals," Rhee says. "In North Korea, deformed babies are usually killed. So the parents killed the baby."

Related: N. Korea brainwashed him to hate. Now he's coming to U.S.

Some of Rhee and Lee’s claims of radiation exposure date to the 1990s and even the 1980s, raising questions about whether something other than a nuclear test could have contaminated the environment and made people sick.

While the country's first nuclear test wasn’t until 2006, the defectors tell stories of trout dying in the mountain streams and the area's prized pine mushrooms disappearing long before then.

Image: Satellite Image of Kilju, North Korea
A satellite image showing Kilju, North Korea. DigitalGlobe / Getty Images file
The president of SAND, Choi Kyung Hui, who is also a defector but not from Kilju, suggested military activity at Punggye-ri in the years leading up to the tests could explain contamination in the area.

But Ferenc Dalnoki-Veress, a scientist-in-residence at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey, California, has doubts that radiation damaged the environment and residents' health.

He said that if any radioactive material had leaked, even from a reported tunnel collapse this month following the sixth test, powerful sensors in the region that "sniff" the atmosphere would have detected it. The same goes for previous tests, he said.

Days after the sixth test, the South Korean government announced it had detected trace amounts of radioactive xenon, though it never said conclusively where it came from.

Ferenc says it’s "very, very unlikely" that it came from the Punggye-ri site. He’s also skeptical of groundwater contamination. Testing near water-saturated rock, he says, could build up steam that vents contaminants into the air. That, he says, is in no one’s interest.

Both Lee and Rhee keep in touch with their families when they can, using cellphones smuggled into North Korea from China.

Rhee says her family is sick, with headaches and vomiting, but no medicine helps. She’s surprised that in her new home, even the rights of animals are protected. But back in North Korea, she says, the health of her people is ignored.

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Post by MPMalloy » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:54 pm

From Reuters: The thinking behind Kim Jong Un’s “madness”

There are photos & graphs central to this story that I am not able to C&P.

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Post by Asymetryczna » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:22 am

I overheard a conversation on the crowded commuter option I chose this morning in which one fellow said he was getting tired of reading about the games being played between the U.S. and N.K.
I wanted to interrupt and disagree, to say that it is crucial to keep playing the game rather than to let Dr. Strangelove get involved. Then at work I found a great book review that reminds me why.

The Threat: A Review of NK Military Capabilities

Book Review: A Documentary? Dr. Strangelove
Dr. Strangelove: Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?
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MPMalloy wrote:From Reuters: The thinking behind Kim Jong Un’s “madness”

There are photos & graphs central to this story that I am not able to C&P.
Thanks for the link!

"In Kim’s view, Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Muammar Gaddafi of Libya were fatally weakened by not having nuclear weapons, North Korean media say. “History proves that powerful nuclear deterrence serves as the strongest treasured sword for frustrating outsiders’ aggression,” the official KCNA news agency said in an editorial in January 2016.

North Korea is racing to achieve a nuclear deterrent because the state feels threatened, worrying particularly that Kim may face a fate like Gaddafi. The Libyan leader agreed in 2003 to eliminate his weapons of mass destruction; in 2011, he was killed by rebels that the United States and its allies had supported.
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Post by teotwaki » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:27 pm

Crew members aboard a Hong Kong-bound Cathay Pacific flight from San Francisco saw what they suspected was a North Korean ballistic missile re-entering the Earth’s atmosphere last week, the airline has confirmed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cathay-pacif ... 51424.html

In a message to staff, Cathay Pacific’s General Manager of Operations Mark Hoey relayed what crew members had reported seeing of the suspected missile.

“Today ... the crew of CX893 reported, ‘Be advised, we witnessed the [North Korean] missile blow up and fall apart near our current location,’” Hoey said, according to a report in the South China Morning Post.
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Post by flybynight » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:17 pm

teotwaki wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:From Reuters: The thinking behind Kim Jong Un’s “madness”

There are photos & graphs central to this story that I am not able to C&P.
Thanks for the link!

"In Kim’s view, Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Muammar Gaddafi of Libya were fatally weakened by not having nuclear weapons, North Korean media say. “History proves that powerful nuclear deterrence serves as the strongest treasured sword for frustrating outsiders’ aggression,” the official KCNA news agency said in an editorial in January 2016.

North Korea is racing to achieve a nuclear deterrent because the state feels threatened, worrying particularly that Kim may face a fate like Gaddafi. The Libyan leader agreed in 2003 to eliminate his weapons of mass destruction; in 2011, he was killed by rebels that the United States and its allies had supported.
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So he wants nukes to use on his own people? That's f'd up :vmad:
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Post by MPMalloy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:19 pm

What does everyone think? Does the following "up the ante"?

From NBC News: Microwave weapon could fry North Korean missile controls, say experts
Microwave weapon could fry North Korean missile controls, say experts:

by Cynthia McFadden, Willam M. Arkin, Kevin Monhahan, and Kenzi Abou-Sabe

The U.S. has microwave weapons that proponents believe could stop North Korea from launching missiles by frying their electronics.

The weapons were discussed at an August White House meeting related to North Korea, according to two U.S. officials with direct knowledge.

For more, watch Cynthia McFadden on NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt tonight

The microwave weapons, known as CHAMPs, are fitted into an air-launched cruise missile and delivered from B-52 bombers. With a range of 700 miles, they can fly into enemy airspace at low altitude and emit sharp pulses of microwave energy to disable electronic systems.

"These high-powered microwave signals are very effective at disrupting and possibly disabling electronic circuits," said Mary Lou Robinson, who heads development of the weapons at the Air Force Research Laboratory in Albuquerque, in an exclusive interview with NBC News.

A CHAMP missile, short for Counter-electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project. The 700-mile range missiles are capable of flying into enemy airspace at low altitude, getting close to targets and emitting a series of sharp pulses of microwave energy to disable electronic systems. NBC News

Advocates say they could be used to stop North Korea from launching missiles by targeting the ground controls and the circuitry in the missiles themselves. The weapons are not currently operational.

How does a high-power microwave (HPM) weapon work?

"Think about when you put something in your microwave that has metal on it," said Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-N.M. "You know how badly that goes? Imagine directing those microwaves at someone's electronics."

Sen. Heinrich, a member of the Armed Services Committee, began his career as an engineer at the Air Force Research Laboratory in Albuquerque.

"Command and control centers are filled with electronic infrastructure which is highly vulnerable to high powered microwaves," said ret. Lt. Gen. David Deptula, who ran the air wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and retired as the head of Air Force intelligence.

The Air Force and other government agencies have been working on the weaponization of microwaves for over two decades. Various emitters have been employed on the ground — in Afghanistan and Iraq, they have been used to disable improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and small drones.

But turning a high-power microwave into a strategic weapon was slowed by the need to reduce the size and weight of the emitter and then match it with an onboard power source sufficient to drive the microwave pulses.

The Air Force Research Laboratory began work on CHAMP, which stands for Counter-electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project, in April 2009. The lab fitted the HPM emitter into a non-nuclear version of a Boeing-built air-launched cruise missile.

By October 2012, according to Air Force documents, CHAMP was ready for an operational test. A B-52 bomber launched the missile over the Utah Test and Training Range, a 2,500-square-mile testing area larger than Delaware. Mocked-up buildings were rigged with communications and computer systems that simulated possible enemy capabilities.

Many of the targets, according to internal CHAMP budget documents obtained by NBC News, involved "representative WMD production equipment" found in Iran and North Korea.

"It was as close to the real thing as we could get," Keith Coleman, CHAMP program manager for Boeing, said after the test.

"It absolutely did exactly what we thought it was going to do," said Robinson. "We had several different target classes in those facilities, and we predicted with almost 100 percent accuracy … which systems were going to be affected, which systems failed, and how."

The 2012 test, the only one so far declassified by the Pentagon, has been followed by additional tests and various experiments to advance the microwave technology. A new power source was incorporated, turning the microwave weapon into what the Air Force calls "Super CHAMP."

According to a December 2016 Air Force Research Laboratory document, the low-flying missile is now "capable of flying into a contested area and disabling an adversary's electronic systems."

Robinson said "there is no doubt" in her mind that HPM weapons work.

Could a high-power microwave weapon actually be used against North Korea?

Deptula said he believed the U.S. could use an HPM to disable a ballistic missile on a North Korean launch pad, and that there are many advantages to using microwave weapons in a North Korean scenario.

They work in all weather, said Deptula, which helps in the Korean climate, and "they're employed at the speed of light. You can't get much faster than that in terms of achieving desired effects."

The main operational constraint, Robinson said, is that the microwaves from the CHAMP emitter "aren't very far-ranging."

Robinson said that in order to disable a missile or launcher's electronics, CHAMP would have to get "close" to the target. How close is classified, but "it's not tens of feet," said Robinson.

Sen. Heinrich said the challenges to using the weapon are "less technical and more mental. You spend years trying to perfect these things, and the tendency in the Pentagon is oftentimes to continue to try to perfect something. My tendency is to say, 'Hey, we've got something that really works. Let's take those things and put them into the hands of our men and women in uniform.'"

Deptula adds that one of the differences in using microwaves as opposed to explosives is assessing the effects — the destruction they wreak is not visible.

But Deptula said that "there are means to determine whether or not you've achieved your effects beyond the traditional battle damage assessment using photography."

Speaking in February 2016, Air Combat Command chief Gen. Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle said that a number of high-power microwave units were being kept as "weapons to use in a contingency."

Robinson said that "it would take a little bit of time" to make the missiles operational. Two Air Force officials with knowledge of the current plans and capabilities say that CHAMP could be ready for use quickly, possibly within days.

The White House declined to comment.

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Diplomacy - continuing to unveil the vastness of your advantage.
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Post by teotwaki » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:47 am

MPMalloy wrote:What does everyone think? Does the following "up the ante"?
CHAMP has been touted for a while and will be a good weapons system but the problem is that NK has highly mobile launchers. We'd have to locate them and get a CHAMP cruise missile over that location before th NK's launched the ICBM. I always liked our air mobile chemical laser in the 747 as a solution but it didn't work out in the end..
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North Korea Says Nuclear War on the Peninsula Is Inevitable and an 'Established Fact'

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From CNBC: US to blame North Korea for 'WannaCry' cyber attack
US to blame North Korea for 'WannaCry' cyber attack

The White House blamed North Korea for a May cyber attack that paralyzed businesses and government entities, sources told Reuters

Via Reuters

The Trump administration is expected on Tuesday to publicly blame North Korea for unleashing a cyber attack that crippled hospitals, banks and other companies across the globe earlier this year, said two sources familiar with the matter.

Capitalizing on spying tools believed to have been developed by the U.S. National Security Agency, hackers staged a cyber assault with a self-spreading malware that has infected tens of thousands of computers in nearly 100 countries.

The accusation that the North Korean government was behind the so-called WannaCry attack comes as worries mount about North Korea's hacking capabilities and its nuclear weapons program.

The U.S. government has assessed with a "very high level of confidence" that a hacking entity known as Lazarus Group, which works on behalf of the North Korean government, carried out the WannaCry attack, a senior administration official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details not yet public.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

North Korea is "directly responsible" for the so-called WannaCry cyber attack that crippled hospitals, banks and other companies across the globe earlier this year, a senior White House official said on Monday. "The attack was widespread and cost billions, and North Korea is directly responsible," Tom Bossert, the White House homeland security adviser, wrote in an opinion piece published online by the Wall Street Journal.

Bossert said anyone who harmed the United States would be held accountable, but he did not detail any specific actions Washington might take against Pyongyang, other than saying it would continue to pursue a "maximum pressure strategy."

Tuesday's public condemnation will not include any indictments or name specific individuals, the official said. But the shaming is designed to hold North Korea accountable for its actions and "erode and undercut their ability to launch attacks," the official said.

North Korean government representatives could not be immediately reached for comment. The country has repeatedly denied responsibility for WannaCry and called other allegations about cyber attacks a smear campaign.

Lazarus Group is widely believed by security researchers and U.S. officials to have been responsible for the 2014 hack of Sony Pictures Entertainment, which destroyed files, leaked corporate communications online and led to the departure of several top studio executives.

Sony also suspended release of a comedy film that portrayed North Korea's ruler, Kim Jong Un, because of threats issued by the hackers. Then-U.S. President Barack Obama condemned Pyongyang for the Sony hack, vowing at the time to "respond proportionally." No indictments have been brought in the Sony case.

Many security researchers, including the cyber firm Symantec, as well as the British government, have already concluded that North Korea was likely behind the WannaCry attack, which quickly unfurled across the globe in May to infect more than 300,000 computers in 150 countries.

Considered unprecedented in scale at the time, WannaCry knocked British hospitals offline, forcing thousands of patients to reschedule appointments and disrupted infrastructure and businesses around the world. The attack originally looked like a ransomware campaign, where hackers encrypt a targeted computer and demand payment to recover files. Some experts later concluded the ransom threat may have been a distraction intended to disguise a more destructive intent.

FedEx's computer networks were among the most heavily hit. The international shipper said in September it expected to sustain a $300 million profit hit as a result of the attack.

'Pattern of North Korea misbehaving'

Some researchers have said they believed WannaCry was deployed accidentally by North Korea as hackers were developing the code. The senior administration official declined to comment about whether U.S. intelligence was able to discern if the attack was deliberate.

"What we see is a continued pattern of North Korea misbehaving, whether destructive cyber attacks, hacking for financial gain, or targeting infrastructure around the globe," the official said.

Tuesday's announcement will cap a year of heightened tensions between the United States and North Korea. Earlier this month, North Korea said it had successfully tested a breakthrough intercontinental ballistic missile that could place the entire U.S. mainland within range of its nuclear weapons.

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