Mexico becoming a failed state?

[raptor]

More proof that the policy "Hugs not bullets" policy might not be as effective as desired in regards to containing the violence.

The message sent by this attack is a pretty clear to me: "plata o plomo".

Note the video is pretty graphic and NWS.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world- ... s-20834308

[Stercutus]

The part of about the children hiding from being slaughtered and then walking out is especially instructive. Drug gangs are completely and totally ruthless and revel in carnage.

[RoneKiln]

My earlier wild guess appears to be wrong. The local cartel did not conduct the ambush. Sounds like the enclave has had peaceful, albeit strained relations with the local gang for a while, and the local gang actually showed up in force to help secure the site of the first ambush.

[Asymetryczna]

Good points, Rone.

[absinthe beginner]

Deported U.S. military veterans are being recruited by Mexican drug cartels.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/11/c ... ldier.html

[absinthe beginner]

Guanajuato: 25 Dead, Many Wounded in 24 Hours of Violence

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/11/g ... in-24.html

[absinthe beginner]

Villa Union Coahuila: CDN reportedly enters Five Springs Guerrero, Santa Monica, PN --21 dead

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/12/c ... rings.html

[flybynight]

Villa Union Coahuila: CDN reportedly enters Five Springs Guerrero, Santa Monica, PN --21 dead

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/12/c ... rings.html

[raptor]

^^^^^--- I was just coming to post this link. -----^^^^^

It ain't just Mexico that is becoming a failed state.

The Governor of Coahuila, a Mexican state bordering Texas, revealed that approximately 150 cartel gunmen illegally snuck into Texas through dirt roads and the border river

Not quite Pancho Villa in size and destination but certainly an indication of contempt for all affected.
They even have marking on vehicles, note the "CDN" marking.

It sure looks like it is time to say enough is enough.

[woodsghost]

Villa Union Coahuila: CDN reportedly enters Five Springs Guerrero, Santa Monica, PN --21 dead

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/12/c ... rings.html

That is clearly a government vehicle, not a gang vehicle. I don't care what letters are on the back. Only the government and well regulated militias are allowed to have any guns in Mexico, let alone "machine guns." Mexico has very strong gun laws and stiff regulations. You need to do more research and get your facts straight. You must be new here. We are a professional forum and only allow posters with "facts." We expect more research next time before posting.

[Stercutus]

^^^^^--- I was just coming to post this link. -----^^^^^

It ain't just Mexico that is becoming a failed state.

The Governor of Coahuila, a Mexican state bordering Texas, revealed that approximately 150 cartel gunmen illegally snuck into Texas through dirt roads and the border river

Not quite Pancho Villa in size and destination but certainly an indication of contempt for all affected.
They even have marking on vehicles, note the "CDN" marking.

It sure looks like it is time to say enough is enough.

The computer keeps saying that it is racist to keep people not from your country, out of your country. I am starting to have my suspicions that the computer is "up to something".

[flybynight]

^^^^^--- I was just coming to post this link. -----^^^^^

It ain't just Mexico that is becoming a failed state.

The Governor of Coahuila, a Mexican state bordering Texas, revealed that approximately 150 cartel gunmen illegally snuck into Texas through dirt roads and the border river

Not quite Pancho Villa in size and destination but certainly an indication of contempt for all affected.
They even have marking on vehicles, note the "CDN" marking.

It sure looks like it is time to say enough is enough.

The computer keeps saying that it is racist to keep people not from your country, out of your country. I am starting to have my suspicions that the computer is "up to something".

I love how all the threads are beginning to intersect. Mexico the failed state, the A I is going to kill us all, civil war in our life time. When all the threads combine , the apocalypse is arrived

[boskone]

I love how all the threads are beginning to intersect. Mexico the failed state, the A I is going to kill us all, civil war in our life time. When all the threads combine , the apocalypse is arrived

Note to self: stock up on and cache rice and beans.

[absinthe beginner]

Cartel Violence Explodes - Has Mexico Finally Lost All Control?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... ll-control

[MPMalloy]

^^^^^--- I was just coming to post this link. -----^^^^^

It ain't just Mexico that is becoming a failed state.

The Governor of Coahuila, a Mexican state bordering Texas, revealed that approximately 150 cartel gunmen illegally snuck into Texas through dirt roads and the border river

Not quite Pancho Villa in size and destination but certainly an indication of contempt for all affected.
They even have marking on vehicles, note the "CDN" marking.

It sure looks like it is time to say enough is enough.

The border-crossing part is being walked-back by that Governor according to Breitbart.

[Stercutus]

^^^^^--- I was just coming to post this link. -----^^^^^

It ain't just Mexico that is becoming a failed state.

The Governor of Coahuila, a Mexican state bordering Texas, revealed that approximately 150 cartel gunmen illegally snuck into Texas through dirt roads and the border river

Not quite Pancho Villa in size and destination but certainly an indication of contempt for all affected.
They even have marking on vehicles, note the "CDN" marking.

It sure looks like it is time to say enough is enough.

The computer keeps saying that it is racist to keep people not from your country, out of your country. I am starting to have my suspicions that the computer is "up to something".

I love how all the threads are beginning to intersect. Mexico the failed state, the A I is going to kill us all, civil war in our life time. When all the threads combine , the apocalypse is arrived

All that remains is to ban fracking and cause the world economy to collapse.

[RoneKiln]

The part of about the children hiding from being slaughtered and then walking out is especially instructive. Drug gangs are completely and totally ruthless and revel in carnage.

I fully agree. It's also worth remembering that any poorly trained person with tons of adrenaline running through them is likely to shoot anything that moves and not be quick to rush to a burning vehicle or building in hopes to rescue kids. Especially if they didn't expect kids to be there in the first place. I imagine an incident or three of those without strong after action follow up, additional training, and therapy would also turn even good people into terrifying psychos very quickly. Start with an angry young teenager...

I think most people at one point or another in their lives are easily susceptible to becoming like one of these monsters. It won't be hard for such organizations to recruit anywhere in even fairly good times.

[sql_yoda]

Hi from almost ten years ago, phil in cs is still top billing

[moab]

Really fascinating Joe Rogan podcast with Ed Calderon. Who is an expert on what is going on in Mexico and Central America.



Here's a clip of it about how close the cartels came to being identified as terrorists internationally.



And a previous episode.

[RoneKiln]

Really fascinating Joe Rogan podcast with Ed Calderon. Who is an expert on what is going on in Mexico and Central America.

You beat me to it! I got on hefe to post the second one that just came out. I think I linked to the earlier one already somewhere back in this thread (I'm too lazy to go check my memory). I highly recommend people watch the earlier one first. In the second he keeps referring to a game warden Rogan interviewed in the past. I think I linked to that one too a few months ago. That interview focuses on cartel grow operations currently existing in the US.

Everyone freaking out about Iran when we have a far more powerful and dangerous threat next to and within US borders is amazing to me.

[RoneKiln]

[YouTube]https://youtu.be/avZpWVEpiV8[/YouTube]

Here's the interview with the game warden I mentioned in the last post and that Ed Calderon refers to several times in his second interview that Moab put up.

I highly recommend listening to Ed Calderons first interview, then John Nores, then the second Ed Calderon interview. They're all amazing on their own, and are truly great as a series.

I also was surprised to hear Ed talking about Mexican vets treating (even curing) their PTSD with mushrooms without even knowing what PTSD was. I know there's a growing movement to research and legalize this in the US. If this proves as effective as many hope, it could do wonders to help mitigate societal harm caused by a wide range of disasters and hardship.

[moab]

[YouTube]https://youtu.be/avZpWVEpiV8[/YouTube]

Here's the interview with the game warden I mentioned in the last post and that Ed Calderon refers to several times in his second interview that Moab put up.

I highly recommend listening to Ed Calderons first interview, then John Nores, then the second Ed Calderon interview. They're all amazing on their own, and are truly great as a series.

I also was surprised to hear Ed talking about Mexican vets treating (even curing) their PTSD with mushrooms without even knowing what PTSD was. I know there's a growing movement to research and legalize this in the US. If this proves as effective as many hope, it could do wonders to help mitigate societal harm caused by a wide range of disasters and hardship.

That is an excellent interview too. It talks about how game wardens became the first line of defense against major cartel grow ops in california.

[absinthe beginner]

Group of 40 Cartel Gunmen Ambush Mexican Army near Texas Border

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/0 ... as-border/

[woodsghost]

Group of 40 Cartel Gunmen Ambush Mexican Army near Texas Border

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/0 ... as-border/

The very definition of "government" is "that entity which successfully establishes a monopoly on the use of violence/force in a geographic region." The Mexican government seems to have firmly established it's failure in so many ways and on many occasions. I expect things will head towards a Somali model, with a UN recognized "official" government and a bunch of warlord defacto governments over various regions. But I thought that about Colombia, and look how they turned out! So I could be very wrong. It depends on the choices of the Mexican people.

Let's hope "hugs" start working soon.