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Post by flybynight » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:38 pm

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/las-ve ... spartanntp

“He's been staying in Las Vegas since ‘06.  So you know, we're talking about 11 years with his girlfriend or at least in recent years, frequent visitor, once or twice a month, to this hotel and others. The most vanilla profile one could possibly imagine. A modest gambler at least by our standards, you know, nothing serious, paid promptly, never owed any money anywhere in Las Vegas. He didn't fit the profile of a problem or compulsive gambler.”  
When asked whether he had a motive regarding Paddock’s murderous rampage, Wynn suggested that his previous behavior suggested the gunman was “a rational man.”
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Post by teotwaki » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:21 pm

Paddock fired at the two fuel tanks at McCarran International Airport during his attack on the Route 91 Harvest country music festival — but didn’t cause an explosion.

The massive fuel tanks are located very close to the secret fleet of passenger planes that make up Janet airlines, which the government uses to shuttle workers to intelligence agency outposts like Area 51, according to a RadarOnline.com report.

“JANET is based at McCarran International Airport and its hanger is just beyond a parking lot directly adjacent to those gas tankers,” a source told the website.

“It’s also a very intriguing angle given Paddock worked for the predecessor of Lockheed Martin, one of the U.S. government’s most relied upon military aviation manufacturers,” the source added.


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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by flybynight » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:43 pm

teotwaki wrote:Paddock fired at the two fuel tanks at McCarran International Airport during his attack on the Route 91 Harvest country music festival — but didn’t cause an explosion.

The massive fuel tanks are located very close to the secret fleet of passenger planes that make up Janet airlines, which the government uses to shuttle workers to intelligence agency outposts like Area 51, according to a RadarOnline.com report.

“JANET is based at McCarran International Airport and its hanger is just beyond a parking lot directly adjacent to those gas tankers,” a source told the website.

“It’s also a very intriguing angle given Paddock worked for the predecessor of Lockheed Martin, one of the U.S. government’s most relied upon military aviation manufacturers,” the source added.


Janet flights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_(airline)
When I clicked your link I got this " The page "Janet (airline" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered."
When I clicked on the term that was hyperlinked for Janet airlines in a associated page. Then it came up. :lol: Spooks :lol:
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flybynight wrote:When I clicked your link I got this " The page "Janet (airline" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered."
When I clicked on the term that was hyperlinked for Janet airlines in a associated page. Then it came up. :lol: Spooks :lol:
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Post by teotwaki » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:37 pm

If these are blocked they are watching you, LOL

There is a secret US government airline that flies out of commercial airports
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-gover ... -51-2017-5

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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by dogbane » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:15 pm

teotwaki wrote:“JANET is based at McCarran International Airport and its hanger is just beyond a parking lot directly adjacent to those gas tankers,” a source told the website.
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Post by flybynight » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:39 pm

dogbane wrote:
teotwaki wrote:“JANET is based at McCarran International Airport and its hanger is just beyond a parking lot directly adjacent to those gas tankers,” a source told the website.
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My biggest complaint about the media these days is that nobody can spell.
Really ? That's your biggest complaint ? :P
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teotwaki wrote:If these are blocked they are watching you, LOL

There is a secret US government airline that flies out of commercial airports
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-gover ... -51-2017-5

America's Secret Airline Flies Non-Stop To Area 51
https://jalopnik.com/this-is-the-only-a ... 1721003315
No tail number is the first clue . With a tail number you could see who is leasing the aircraft.

The flights to Groom Lake have been a badly kept 'secret' since well before Dreamland was exposed. BTW, there is more to the 'secret air force' then just the 737s.

Since the Red Hat (AKA Red Cap) squadron was deactivated and moved to Fallon NAS, air traffic over that part of the range has dropped significantly.

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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by teotwaki » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:59 pm

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dogbane wrote:My biggest complaint about the media these days is that nobody can spell.



Really ? That's your biggest complaint ? :P


I know. He didn't even thank me for all of my hard work to share info..... sniff sniff... waaaah. :lol:

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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by dogbane » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:01 pm

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dogbane wrote:
teotwaki wrote:“JANET is based at McCarran International Airport and its hanger is just beyond a parking lot directly adjacent to those gas tankers,” a source told the website.
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My biggest complaint about the media these days is that nobody can spell.
Really ? That's your biggest complaint ? :P
For the purposes of this forum, yes. :lol: But I will add that it is symptomatic of a general laziness and ignorance that has broader implications.
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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by raptor » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:20 pm

teotwaki wrote: The media sucks and we all know it!
It is funny but as child I remember asking my parents about a National Inquirer headline. I was told they print lies to sell newspapers.

The funny thing is today the National Inquirer is considered investigative journalists and basically credible. The truly sad part is that they have not really improved their standards.

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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by emclean » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:41 am

flybynight wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-de ... spartanntp

A note found in the hotel room of the man who shot into a crowd from his perch in a Las Vegas high-rise included hand-written calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize his accuracy and kill as many people as possible
can anyone provide insight why it would take a week to release that this was what was written on the pad found close to his body?

it seems odd to me.

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Post by teotwaki » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:33 am

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flybynight wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-de ... spartanntp

A note found in the hotel room of the man who shot into a crowd from his perch in a Las Vegas high-rise included hand-written calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize his accuracy and kill as many people as possible
can anyone provide insight why it would take a week to release that this was what was written on the pad found close to his body?

it seems odd to me.

I think that there was so much confusion during the shooting that the LEOs are hard pressed to sort it out quickly enough to satisfy the short attention span of the media and blank-eyed followers. Nine days is not enough time to investigate such a shooting.

Apparently the shooting timeline is being changed with respect to when the hotel guard was shot. The media morons are all upset and crying "conspiracy!"
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teotwaki wrote:
emclean wrote:
flybynight wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-de ... spartanntp

A note found in the hotel room of the man who shot into a crowd from his perch in a Las Vegas high-rise included hand-written calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize his accuracy and kill as many people as possible
can anyone provide insight why it would take a week to release that this was what was written on the pad found close to his body?

it seems odd to me.

I think that there was so much confusion during the shooting that the LEOs are hard pressed to sort it out quickly enough to satisfy the short attention span of the media and blank-eyed followers. Nine days is not enough time to investigate such a shooting.

Apparently the shooting timeline is being changed with respect to when the hotel guard was shot. The media morons are all upset and crying "conspiracy!"
I wonder if the whole timeline is wrong . I'm wondering just when he started shooting. All but one of the videos I've seen start with that first long burst that caused the performers on stage to run for cover. One video I saw showed single shots being fired several minutes before that burst. And I have to wonder if there was even more before that video showed. Maybe the single shots were when he was aiming at the fuel tanks, or were aimed at people and missed. The whole thing is wierd
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Post by raptor » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:12 pm

teotwaki wrote:
emclean wrote:
flybynight wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-de ... spartanntp

A note found in the hotel room of the man who shot into a crowd from his perch in a Las Vegas high-rise included hand-written calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize his accuracy and kill as many people as possible
can anyone provide insight why it would take a week to release that this was what was written on the pad found close to his body?

it seems odd to me.

I think that there was so much confusion during the shooting that the LEOs are hard pressed to sort it out quickly enough to satisfy the short attention span of the media and blank-eyed followers. Nine days is not enough time to investigate such a shooting.

That or they had not a clue what the numbers meant. Most people even active target shooters if shown someone else's dope sheet may not recognize it as such.

I remember an early report saying it was just numbers and thinking if it was a coded message.

It is possible they had to get someone to decode it only to discover it was a dope sheet. In fairness even if they knew it was a dope sheet they should have tried to see if there was some kind of code built into it beyond ballistics.

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Post by emclean » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:33 pm

I keep wondering how in the hell do they get the time line wrong in a Vegas casino?
the hospital I work at can see a well into the park that is next to us, I would be shocked if the casino doesn't have some camera coverage around their property.

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Post by flybynight » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:48 pm

It's hard not to go full tilt,bat shit crazy conspiracy theory on this one,

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-details- ... 27228.html

But on Monday, police said Campos, who was unarmed, was shot and wounded at 9:59 p.m. as he investigated an apparently unrelated alarm for an open door on the floor — six minutes before Paddock began firing out his window at 10:05. Police now say they have no idea why Paddock, who had a large quantity of ammunition and other loaded weapons in his room, stopped his rampage 10 minutes later.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, Las Vegas sheriff Joseph Lombardo offered little explanation for the discrepancy in the accounts, although he implied that Campos, who was wounded and “extremely shaken up by what happened to him,” may have misremembered the details.
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But the revised timeline raised new questions about why it took police so long to ascertain Paddock’s location as they scrambled to figure out where the bullets were coming from.
On Monday, Lombardo said Campos had alerted Mandalay Bay security that he had been shot, but police hunting for the gunman only learned this when they found him lying wounded in the hallway after the gunman had stopped firing at concertgoers below.
According to the updated timeline released Monday, police officers reached the 31st floor of the resort and casino at 10:12 p.m. — where, they reported to colleagues, that they could hear shots being fired above them. Officers reached the 32nd floor, where Paddock was staying in Room 135, at 10:17, two minutes after he stopped shooting. They found Campos a minute later, at 10:18 p.m., and the security guard pointed them to Paddock’s room.


AND some more of this
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-emplo ... 27982.html

A former employee and close friend of Stephen Paddock, the gunman who carried out the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, has spoken out to say that the man she knew was seemingly incapable of committing such a horrific act.
In a Monday appearance on Good Morning America, 54-year-old Lisa Crawford, who managed a Dallas apartment Paddock owned between 2006 and 2012, opened up about how her interactions with the gunman gave her no indication of what he was apparently capable of doing.
"He actually cared about everybody," Crawford said. "He tried to make people happy, he tried to make people care and I don't know what happened to him."


So rich nice old guy suddenly just turned into Killer Grandpa with a Uzi ? I sure as heck not a psychiatrist but I always thought serial killers and mas murderers lacked empathy.
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New disclosure shows a casino guard alerted hotel to gunman before Las Vegas massacre began.

http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-la ... story.html


....There are no surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floor's elevator banks, and the timestamps on the hotel's communications systems have in some cases been inaccurate, hampering investigators' ability to build an accurate timeline while they try to find a motive for the gunman, Roberts said.

"Please remember this — our focus has been all along finding if there were other unknown subjects and trying to trace his steps and trying to do all these things," said Roberts. Compiling the sequence of events in the hallway, he said, "has not been the priority for us."

He said officials hope to release a complete timeline on Friday.
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saw this earlier----begs the question----if LVPD had a report of shooter location, and they responded..........why was it nearly an hour after he finished firing before LVPD entered room?
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aikorob wrote:saw this earlier----begs the question----if LVPD had a report of shooter location, and they responded..........why was it nearly an hour after he finished firing before LVPD entered room?
Hard to say, if he was not shooting they probably figured they were in for a standoff. If he was still shooting they would have gone in. Since he had fired through the door at them they likely figured he was lying in wait for them and wanted to do it a way that would limit further loss of life.
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Post by JeeperCreeper » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:10 pm

Shooter supposedly tried to blow the fuel tanks as speculated days ago using incendiary rounds... but it was jet fuel and I guess the incendiary rounds weren't actually shot at the tank?? I dunno, CNN never gives good info on firearms so I never fully read and just skim.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/us/las-ve ... index.html
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Post by Anianna » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:13 pm

flybynight wrote:It's hard not to go full tilt,bat shit crazy conspiracy theory on this one,

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-details- ... 27228.html

But on Monday, police said Campos, who was unarmed, was shot and wounded at 9:59 p.m. as he investigated an apparently unrelated alarm for an open door on the floor — six minutes before Paddock began firing out his window at 10:05. Police now say they have no idea why Paddock, who had a large quantity of ammunition and other loaded weapons in his room, stopped his rampage 10 minutes later.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, Las Vegas sheriff Joseph Lombardo offered little explanation for the discrepancy in the accounts, although he implied that Campos, who was wounded and “extremely shaken up by what happened to him,” may have misremembered the details.
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But the revised timeline raised new questions about why it took police so long to ascertain Paddock’s location as they scrambled to figure out where the bullets were coming from.
On Monday, Lombardo said Campos had alerted Mandalay Bay security that he had been shot, but police hunting for the gunman only learned this when they found him lying wounded in the hallway after the gunman had stopped firing at concertgoers below.
According to the updated timeline released Monday, police officers reached the 31st floor of the resort and casino at 10:12 p.m. — where, they reported to colleagues, that they could hear shots being fired above them. Officers reached the 32nd floor, where Paddock was staying in Room 135, at 10:17, two minutes after he stopped shooting. They found Campos a minute later, at 10:18 p.m., and the security guard pointed them to Paddock’s room.


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https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-emplo ... 27982.html

A former employee and close friend of Stephen Paddock, the gunman who carried out the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, has spoken out to say that the man she knew was seemingly incapable of committing such a horrific act.
In a Monday appearance on Good Morning America, 54-year-old Lisa Crawford, who managed a Dallas apartment Paddock owned between 2006 and 2012, opened up about how her interactions with the gunman gave her no indication of what he was apparently capable of doing.
"He actually cared about everybody," Crawford said. "He tried to make people happy, he tried to make people care and I don't know what happened to him."


So rich nice old guy suddenly just turned into Killer Grandpa with a Uzi ? I sure as heck not a psychiatrist but I always thought serial killers and mas murderers lacked empathy.
Hold up. In a previous briefing held by the LV police, which I had watched live as it aired, they said the shot hotel security guard helped them and took them to the door in question despite them telling him he should go to the hospital. They praised his courage for not leaving until they were ready to enter the room, at which point they insisted he go get treated for the gunshot wound. Now they're saying they found him laying on the floor and he just pointed more than fifteen minutes after being shot and notifying his colleagues? So, the rest of the security staff just left him up there for more than fifteen minutes??

If he was up there for an "unrelated" door alarm, why was he at that door to be shot at anyway? Did Paddock just happen to shoot at the door as he walked by? This whole thing gets more and more bizarre.

Also, have you guys seen that image of Paddock from the waist down laid out neatly on the floor? Anybody see any blood spatter? If he was standing right there, there should be blood spatter. Did he lay down first and then shoot himself, in which case the blood spatter would be closer to where he ended up instead of in the area where he had been standing?

ETA:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jesus-campos ... 28950.html
He told KNPR, a local NPR affiliate, that Campos went up to the 32nd floor to investigate a door alarm. While on the 32nd floor, he found that a stairwell door was jammed and radioed down to maintenance.

Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle.

Police have said that when Campos radioed what happened, it helped them track where Paddock was holed up. McMahill didn’t elaborate on the six minutes or why police found it difficult to locate Paddock when, according to the new timeline, they had his location minutes before the assault started.
I guess that explains why he was near the door, if he heard the drilling and tried to follow the sound. What happened to the maintenance worker, I wonder.
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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by Anianna » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:26 pm

JeeperCreeper wrote:Shooter supposedly tried to blow the fuel tanks as speculated days ago using incendiary rounds... but it was jet fuel and I guess the incendiary rounds weren't actually shot at the tank?? I dunno, CNN never gives good info on firearms so I never fully read and just skim.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/us/las-ve ... index.html
What I read was two rounds (out of how many?) hit the tanks but did not penetrate. Hardly sounds like he was trying to blow the tanks.

Earlier reports said he had tried to buy tracer rounds at a gun show but was unsuccessful. Following stories said he actually succeeded with that purchase and used tracer rounds during the shooting, but I didn't see any evidence of that in any of the videos I saw. I also haven't seen any evidence that incendiary rounds were fired. Perhaps he fired only a few attempting to ignite the tank and failed and then returned to using other rounds? How weird would that be? I wonder who CNN's "two law enforcement sources" are and if they even have any connection to the investigation - the ones allegedly "briefed on the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly" but did anyway.
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Re: Active Shooter on Vegas Strip

Post by emclean » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:45 am

Anianna wrote:
JeeperCreeper wrote:Shooter supposedly tried to blow the fuel tanks as speculated days ago using incendiary rounds... but it was jet fuel and I guess the incendiary rounds weren't actually shot at the tank?? I dunno, CNN never gives good info on firearms so I never fully read and just skim.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/us/las-ve ... index.html
What I read was two rounds (out of how many?) hit the tanks but did not penetrate. Hardly sounds like he was trying to blow the tanks.
my opinion about his trying to blow the tank is that he hit the tanks on accident, and the reporters remembered that any fuel shot on TV blows up, so that must have been what he was trying to do.

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