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Shooter on 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay firing automatic rifle into concert below. Info is spotty but I'm seeing sporadic reports of multiple confirmed injuries/casualties, unconfirmed reports of other possible shooters and a possible car bomb/explosives.

Eta* Inital info was saying 20* dead, now saying 2 dead and 24+ injured. Will avoid speculation on numbers until later reports.

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This just exploded across the web, so much of what is being 'reported' my just be hysteria.

Still, a mass shooting in LV is pretty rare.

Will be watching for more focused/accurate local reporting.

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ETA - Interstate shut down and some flight to McCarren diverted. Police asking folks to stay off the strip. Other reports of shootings at other properties.

KVVU - Chanel 5 has live reporting.

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The beeb is reporting on this, with pictures of the incident. Police currently say the shooter is down and believed to be working alone.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

2 Dead and 24 wounded.

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LEO (LVPD Sheriff) at press briefing is saying 20 dead and 100+ injured, and that the shooter is a local. Also saying that there is no indication of any other shooters/explosives.

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Video , it sounds like full automatic weapon

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

ETA rapidly developing story, the video is no longer posted at this link

eta2 different video

https://twitter.com/SchreiberEvan/status/914760840728911872

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Now reporting 50 dead, 200 injured

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/at-least-50-dead-more-than-200-hurt-in-las-vegas-shooting/ar-AAsLPFk?li=BBnb7Kz

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-resort-casino/

A lot of videos @ this site

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-route-91-mandalay-bay-shooting-shooter-gunman-suspect-photos-motive/

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Las Vegas shooting: 50 people killed in Mandalay Bay attack
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

Awful.

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At least 50 and 200 wounded. Shooter Stephen Paddock is dead. Multiple rifles recovered. I heard an audio clip of the shooting. Full auto, not the distinctive sound of an AK.

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I dislike being in a contained crowd setting where I am at the mercy of the multitudes and must rely on organizers (and their hired security) to safeguard my well-being. As Manchester showed, you can have good security in a venue, but be vulnerable outside the venue. This incident shows that being in an open-air setting with elevated sites surrounding the area can make you a fish in a barrel. (I wrote of a similar situation in a draft of a novel a couple of years ago, so this very risk has already occurred to me.)

I heard on NPR this morning that Vegas has only one Level 1 trauma center, and it was overwhelmed. I remember Richard Clarke writing of a Vegas shooting scenario (terrorism, of course, because that's his wheelhouse) back in 2002 or so.

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Have heard of a least one friend-of-a-friend who was killed in the shooting. The number of injured is really astounding, but given the details we know about the density of the crowd and shooter's location, it was certainly picked for maximum effect.

I've seen some of the videos people recorded of the incident. As an aside, I never know how someone has the wherewithal to record this kind of thing while it's happening, but I guess it is worthwhile after the fact. It was certainly a full-auto weapon, but it also sounded like more than 30 rounds per burst to me - some reports were saying that it was possibly a belt-fed gun, but I'll wait to hear from a more official source.

What struck me most in watching the videos was how the bulk of people reacted, and some of the individuals in particular. I understand that they may have been told to hunker down, and not having a good idea of where the fire was coming from, that seems like a decent idea. It may have also been a reasonable decision to encourage people to not leave the venue, supposing that the shooter was outside the venue somewhere, and that there might be more shooters or traps etc. waiting outside. So I can't fault most people for just laying down where they were standing, or the organizers for their heat-of-the-moment decisions. There was an enormous lack of hard cover anywhere for most of the space, but that is exactly what you'd expect for a concert like this. Some people seem to have been a little too inebriated to understand what was going on though, and were just standing up, continuing to drink their beverages, and/or flipping off in the general direction of fire. That seems a little ridiculous to me, even if you know your probability of getting hit is very low.

My best wishes to all those who were injured, directly and indirectly, from this tragedy.

ETA: In the photos/videos I actually see quite a lot of people still holding onto drinks, even while huddling down. I acknowledge that in stressful situations people can unknowingly hold onto things, and undertake other seemingly strange behavior, so I don't want to be overly critical of the people who might have done that. There were not a lot of good options available for those who were in the midst there.

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Bad echo but sounds like a 30 round strings on full auto or bump fire, not an AK, probably 5.56. Shooting in to a crowd of people is about as accurate as bump fire gets.
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I imagine a good number of them were intoxicated. It is difficult to make good decisions when you are intoxicated. Still he was shooting fish in a barrel so drink or no drink they were screwed either way.


This is a weird one, dude was a former defense contractor and a retiree. Dementia?

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They found the SOB quickly because - of all things - the smoke detector in his room had gone off shortly after the shooting started.

The 'girlfriend' - actively wanted by the FBI, has been found - outside of the US - has a passport from OZ and is originally from the PI. How she was able to fly out of country will need some explanation.

I understand the resort was sold out, but this guy was able to waltz in only 3 days in advance and get a room facing the venue?

10 guns, 2 shooting positions and had cameras in the hallway to spot the cops when they arrived.

And - of course - shoots himself as the cops make entry. This would be rated as - "Unbelievable" if used as a plot in a Hollywood B grade grinder.

If nothing else the cops are going to tear this apart as it could hurt tourism in a town that exists solely for same.


A reminder, this was almost as bad as a truck attack. Almost. You may remember the recent attack in Nice, France that resulted in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 458 others.

I suspect the deaths of some and many of the 400+ injuried will be from the crowd stampede. Last week 22 died in a Bombay train station from a panicked crowd.

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Some articles on the Facebook news feed are reporting that ISIS has claimed the shooter as one of theirs and is taking credit for the massacre as usual.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Some articles on the Facebook news feed are reporting that ISIS has claimed the shooter as one of theirs and is taking credit for the massacre as usual.

Anything to be relevant, I guess

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There is no shortage of BS in these kinds of events.

Buzzfeed has a thread on all of the fake Tweets - so far. And people wonder why I eschew the so-called Social Media....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/ryanha ... -las-vegas

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Shades of Manila, dude was a heavy gambler.

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From a CNN Article: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-ve ... index.html

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The suspicion, based on initial reports, is that at least one of the rifles used was altered to function as an automatic weapon, the official said. Among the weapons found were a .223 caliber and a .308 caliber.


Key phrase: "The suspicion, based on initial reports" - leading to my 'suspicion' that the media is wrong and it is much more likely to be a bumpfire or weapon purchased as a full auto

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Press conference update: 59 deceased, over 500 injured. I'm going to go on a limb that many of those injuries are from trying to escape, not just gunfire.

It seems that LEO and .gov are keeping details under wraps and the media is making wild suggestions based on "reports" or "sources" or "could appear to be" type journalism.

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Maybe echoes of the sound of gunfire off of surrounding buildings?


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Maybe echoes of the sound of gunfire off of surrounding buildings?


That's exactly what it was when I watched some on a better device. But if someone just listened, it would sound like more than 1. I'm just gonna delete that portion of my above post since I didn't write it properly.

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w3rdtoyamama wrote:
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Some articles on the Facebook news feed are reporting that ISIS has claimed the shooter as one of theirs and is taking credit for the massacre as usual.

Anything to be relevant, I guess


Seems to be their MO lately. Bad thing happens and maybe ten minutes later ISIS claims responsibility on their social media accounts.

However, the FBI says that the ISIS connection was false. The murderer was just a whackado who wanted his fifteen minutes of fame by killing people.

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Some articles on the Facebook news feed are reporting that ISIS has claimed the shooter as one of theirs and is taking credit for the massacre as usual.

Anything to be relevant, I guess


Seems to be their MO lately. Bad thing happens and maybe ten minutes later ISIS claims responsibility on their social media accounts.

However, the FBI says that the ISIS connection was false. The murderer was just a whackado who wanted his fifteen minutes of fame by killing people.

Sources?

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Some articles on the Facebook news feed are reporting that ISIS has claimed the shooter as one of theirs and is taking credit for the massacre as usual.

Anything to be relevant, I guess


Seems to be their MO lately. Bad thing happens and maybe ten minutes later ISIS claims responsibility on their social media accounts.

However, the FBI says that the ISIS connection was false. The murderer was just a whackado who wanted his fifteen minutes of fame by killing people.

Sources?


I think it was the LA Times, but I'm not entirely sure. It also may have been something on Steven Crowder's Facebook page.

I feel like an idiot for posting what I did without fully checking for authenticity. :oops:

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Nah It's fine. I just would figure this early in the investigation they wouldn't be ruling anything out. I watched the news conference this afternoon with , what seemed to be everyone official in Las Vegas. They said they found more guns in his home in Mesquite NV, They had found that he owned another home in northern NV that SWAT was about to enter ( at that time ). He had sixteen guns in the hotel room and they found ammonia nitrate in his car. He had at least one AR. The first to respond to his room was hotel security whom he promptly shot one of them. Unsubstantiated... overheard on Fox several times One of the guns was on a tripod in the hotel room . He had set up surveillance cameras in the hallway to watch for approaching police

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