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Ha. Nothing to see here - just a regularly scheduled unarmed ICBM test lighting up the sky...

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Anyone ready to run up the white flag yet?

Me neither.

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(I try to fight my sarcasm, like "nothing to see here.") These tests are planned years in advance. There's been hundreds of them.

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Four tests per year, actually.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-test-icbm-tensions-rise-north-korea-n788481

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North Korea now making missile-ready nuclear weapons, U.S. analysts say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-now-making-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons-us-analysts-say/


North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles, crossing a key threshold on the path to becoming a full-fledged nuclear power, U.S. intelligence officials have concluded in a confidential assessment.

The new analysis completed last month by the Defense Intelligence Agency comes on the heels of another intelligence assessment that sharply raises the official estimate for the total number of bombs in the communist country’s atomic arsenal. The U.S. calculated last month that up to 60 nuclear weapons are now controlled by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Some independent experts believe the number of bombs is much smaller.

The findings are likely to deepen concerns about an evolving North Korean military threat that appears to be advancing far more rapidly than many experts had predicted. U.S. officials last month concluded that Pyongyang is also outpacing expectations in its effort to build an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of striking cities on the American mainland.


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North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-usa-idUSKBN1AO2L9


SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".

A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation.

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North Korea says seriously considering plan to strike Guam:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-usa-idUSKBN1AO2L9


SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".

A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation.

I dunno , it might just be me but I always thought surprise attacks generally worked best if they were a surprise. Announcing your intent to attack just amounts to bold B S talk. But then again we are talking about Kim Jong-un, Not exactly the definition of a full deck

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Well this is awkward....

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/09/trump-j ... antly.html

Trump just set his own, uncrossable 'red line' — and North Korea crossed it instantly


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I dunno , it might just be me but I always thought surprise attacks generally worked best if they were a surprise. Announcing your intent to attack just amounts to bold B S talk. But then again we are talking about Kim Jong-un, Not exactly the definition of a full deck


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Californians are rushing to buy or build fall-out shelters.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/art ... 72627.html

California-based bomb shelter firms report doing booming business, so to speak, in the wake of nuclear threats from North Korea.

“It’s crazy, I’ve never seen anything like it,” Ron Hubbard, president of Atlas Survival Shelters, told Fox11. “It’s all over the country. I sold shelters today in North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, California.”

The company, based in Montebello in eastern Los Angeles, sells shelters priced from $10,000 to $100,000. Hubbard told the station that the shelters are designed to be buried 20 feet below ground and can sustain survivors for up to one year, depending on the size and model.


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So, I know everybody is mentioning how habituated the North Koreans are to the threat South Korea poses, but I honestly think the world in general is, and has been, for decades.

One of the things that deliberately strikes me as concerning about the perception of North Korea, has always concerned me, is the deliberate portrayal of the Kims as tiny little man-children who play and watch movies all day...or, according to South Park, small roach-like aliens who sing about the worthlessness of Alec Baldwin. It may be funny, and even have some truth, but this portrayal of North Korea's dictators over the years makes people discount them. So, they can get away with a lot of what they want. Regardless of whether some of these antics are a ploy (and sometimes I wonder if they are), this family is crazy. And I am much more scared of someone who is crazy and out of touch with reality having nuclear power than someone who may be an anti-social dick, but rational/self-preserving. But, I don't think most people have the same reaction.

Additionally, I'm not sure if we're in general any better than the South Koreans as a general rule. I have several friends who are in South Korea right now because their husbands are stationed there. Their husbands wanted them and the kids to come and stay. Tiny kids. One has even had two chances to be stationed back at home and chose to stay from a career standpoint and because "it gave the children so much culture". We're here discussing long-term concerns and how crazy it is that no one is taking this seriously, while people who are actively in the military, who probably know more details than civvies do, are fine with their wives and small children living within close strike range for years. And I don't think it's due to trust that their families will be squirreled away in bunkers if something goes down. They seem to genuinely feel it is safe there, regardless of what North Korea does.

This is meant as no disrespect to the military. I just don't think it's a South Korean thing. I think it's a natural part of human behavior, even somewhat self-protective, from an emotional/mental standpoint, that has been fostered even more by governments and the media.

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I don't know how informative it is to infer anything from American military personnel traditionally choosing to stay in S Korea/bring their families over. It doesn't seem like a useful indicator of the current threat level because conditions have changed so dramatically in the past few weeks.

We're seeing increasingly bellicose pronouncements coming from both sides, as well as a general acknowledgment that North Korean missile and warhead technology has now progressed to the point where their boasts/threats can not longer be so easily dismissed. That's new. And to the extent military personal can exercise choice about whether to remain stationed in South Korea with their families, they might well come to a radically different conclusion today versus even one month ago.

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I don't know how informative it is to infer anything from American military personnel traditionally choosing to stay in S Korea/bring their families over. It doesn't seem like a useful indicator of the current threat level because conditions have changed so dramatically in the past few weeks.

We're seeing increasingly bellicose pronouncements coming from both sides, as well as a general acknowledgment that North Korean missile and warhead technology has now progressed to the point where their boasts/threats can not longer be so easily dismissed. That's new. And to the extent military personal can exercise choice about whether to remain stationed in South Korea with their families, they might well come to a radically different conclusion today versus even one month ago.


Wasn't trying to assess current threat level. I guess I was commenting on earlier in the thread when people were talking about how South Koreans have been dealing with the threat of NK forever and don't seem to be alarmed. Was just saying that habituation is probably more of a human condition than something specific to South Korea. Also, without getting too political, this probably wouldn't have progressed to this point if, as I mentioned, the picture of NK's leadership as blowhard man-children hadn't contributed to them being repeatedly discounted/assumed as less of a threat by world powers in the past.

Agreed that the situation has ramped up now, people might make different choices, and a few examples don't speak for everyone. However, some of how we base our opinions is on what we are presented/see. Also, I mentioned the people I know when I commented today because those families are talking about how it is business as usual right now.

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Yawn.

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Wasn't trying to assess current threat level. I guess I was commenting on earlier in the thread when people were talking about how South Koreans have been dealing with the threat of NK forever and don't seem to be alarmed. Was just saying that habituation is probably more of a human condition than something specific to South Korea. Also, without getting too political, this probably wouldn't have progressed to this point if, as I mentioned, the picture of NK's leadership as blowhard man-children hadn't contributed to them being repeatedly discounted/assumed as less of a threat by world powers in the past.

Agreed that the situation has ramped up now, people might make different choices, and a few examples don't speak for everyone. However, some of how we base our opinions is on what we are presented/see. Also, I mentioned the people I know when I commented today because those families are talking about how it is business as usual right now.



This makes me think of the technique that ISIS used to easily behead people: lots of "rehearsals" where people start to believe it is all a show for the sake of the media. Ultimately NK will win the game. They can launch real nukes at us, invade and overwhelm SK and care less if we nuke the worthless northern area into slag. Even if we had the will to invade SK and try to kill them there is no chance that the original SK will arise from the remaining ashes.

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In anticipation of the other thread being folded into this one

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Let's see:

Number of North Korean Subs with range to get within firing range of the US = 0
Number of NORK SLBM with nuclear tips = 0
Number of NORK subs able to travel undetected = 0

Number of articles produced by Drudge simply for the sake of stirring shit = 2,987,222,789


"Pyongyang's fleet of rusting diesel submarines is capable of little more than coastal defense and has limited offensive capabilities. North Korea has approximately 70 submarines in its fleet, but 20 are Romeo-class submarines built with 1950s technology. Another 40 are North Korean domestically developed Sang-O-class subs that were specially developed for the insertion of special forces into South Korea, along with mine deployment. The rest of the fleet is thought to be comprised of Yono-class midget submarines with limited range, firepower, and operating depth.

All of these submarines are diesel-electric and extremely old. As such, the submarines can submerge for only a few days at a time — and once they surface, it would easy for South Korea to be able to pinpoint their location."
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-wh ... uth-2015-8

NK continued efforts towards developing SLBM capabilities

Sinpo South Shipyard: Preparations for a New SLBM Test?
https://www.38north.org/2017/07/sinpo072017/

North Korea’s Sinpo South Shipyard: Activity at the Test Stand
https://www.38north.org/2017/05/sinpo050417/

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It may be the fashion to dismiss the Dictators Kim as cartoon characters because of the bombastic threats coming from the DPRK, so it is easy to forget that we are dealing with people that attempted to assassinate the leader of the RoK, seized a US Naval Intelligence vessel (The USS Pueblo), and threatened to invade the south again to pressure the Soviets into giving them more aid.

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Hmm...maybe we're getting to the root of Lil' Kim's rage (and here I thought it was misplaced aggression toward his hairdresser).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssion.html


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These fire-breathing North Korean threats are getting kind of tedious.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/nort ... index.html


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Hopefully we will have a leader in the US that will stand up and say those oh so powerful and sinister words: "I TRIPLE-dog-dare ya!"



Sadly I am certain we do. The US now does world leadership by school yard taunts.

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These fire-breathing North Korean threats are getting kind of tedious.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/nort ... index.html

How impressive, all those shiny new self-propelled artillery pieces lined up on beach. Yes sir. Just lined right up out there in nice straight lines. On the beach.
Out in the open.

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hopefully we have some US controlled MLRS over in South Korea






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majorhavoc wrote:
absinthe beginner wrote:
These fire-breathing North Korean threats are getting kind of tedious.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/nort ... index.html

How impressive, all those shiny new self-propelled artillery pieces lined up on beach. Yes sir. Just lined right up out there in nice straight lines. On the beach.
Out in the open.

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Ok, somebody might have gone just a tad overboard with the photoshop bomb, just a little....

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