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Post by roOism » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:09 am

Read a few articles that are now saying they recovered an SKS at the scene.
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Post by Stercutus » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:46 am

Here is a really good account from the perspective of one of the witnesses for people who are still wondering about details of the attack. It is about 5 minutes long.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/justice/2017/ ... brooks.cnn

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http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1706/14/nday.05.html



Scalise is in worse shape than feared. The media is reporting that he will need multiple surgeries.
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Stercutus wrote:Here is a really good account from the perspective of one of the witnesses for people who are still wondering about details of the attack. It is about 5 minutes long.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/justice/2017/ ... brooks.cnn

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http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1706/14/nday.05.html

Scalise is in worse shape than feared. The media is reporting that he will need multiple surgeries.

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roOism wrote:Read a few articles that are now saying they recovered an SKS at the scene.
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Post by teotwaki » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:39 am

The shooter's weapons supposedly included a Smith and Wesson 9 mm pistol and the SKS. While other articles are still claiming the rifle was an AR-15. Hopefully the FBI or ATF will speak out soon.

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Re: Congressman and aides shot in VA

Post by 00dlez » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:04 am

Stercutus wrote: Scalise is in worse shape than feared. The media is reporting that he will need multiple surgeries.
Radio mentioned this morning that he was still in critical condition (I presume stable, but they did not state if he was stable or not) after two surgeries.
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Post by Stercutus » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:14 am

It was an SKS or as CBS put it: "An AK variant".

But no it was an SKS and a 9mm handgun. The SKS seems to a favorite of nut ball political shooters. I am curious if it was converted to detachable magazines. That fits with the sounds on the video.
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Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:21 am

Stercutus wrote:It was an SKS or as CBS put it: "An AK variant".
That isn't completely false, but technically not true either.

I do think it is a fair description for most people, though.
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Post by flybynight » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:50 am

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
Stercutus wrote:It was an SKS or as CBS put it: "An AK variant".
That isn't completely false, but technically not true either.

I do think it is a fair description for most people, though.
Well kinda, like if you said a scoped deer rifle was a sniper gun. Or a AR was a machine gun. A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse :mrgreen:

Those AK variants are way more deadly than a regular AK. And if you turn them sideways , It's a kill shot
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Re: Congressman and aides shot in VA

Post by emclean » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:30 am

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
Stercutus wrote:It was an SKS or as CBS put it: "An AK variant".
That isn't completely false, but technically not true either.
in no way is an SKS an AK, the only similarity is the caliber, and that they were both made by communists.

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emclean wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
Stercutus wrote:It was an SKS or as CBS put it: "An AK variant".
That isn't completely false, but technically not true either.
in no way is an SKS an AK, the only similarity is the caliber, and that they were both made by communists.
I always thought Siminov modified Kalashnikov's design when he designed the SKS. Is that not the case?

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Re: Congressman and aides shot in VA

Post by teotwaki » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:43 am

I looked around a bit and the SKS predates the AK

"The SKS is a Soviet semi-automatic carbine chambered for the 7.62×39mm round, designed in 1943 by Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov. Its complete designation, SKS-45, is an initialism for Samozaryadny Karabin sistemy Simonova, 1945 (Russian: Самозарядный карабин системы Симонова, 1945; Self-loading Carbine of (the) Simonov system, 1945). The SKS-45 was manufactured at Tula Arsenal from 1949-1958 and at Izhevsk Arsenal in just 1953 and 1954, resulting in a total Soviet production of about 2.7 million carbines. In the early 1950s, the Soviets took the SKS carbine out of front-line service and replaced it with the AK-47"

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Re: Congressman and aides shot in VA

Post by ZombieGranny » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:57 am

Oddly enough, people remember attack ads even after the election.

I have no idea the type of commercials aired in that particular state, but some of the ones aired here have a contempt for certain 'others' that I find less than appealing -
and that I shall remember, and repeat, should those politicians come up for re-election.
Some of the attack ads I saw were national and while I personally wouldn't take up arms against the politician(s), I DO look sideways at them & those who voted for someone who would authorize distasteful ads like that.

I don't want them representing ME to the world.

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Re: Congressman and aides shot in VA

Post by flybynight » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:00 am

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
emclean wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
Stercutus wrote:It was an SKS or as CBS put it: "An AK variant".
That isn't completely false, but technically not true either.
in no way is an SKS an AK, the only similarity is the caliber, and that they were both made by communists.
I always thought Siminov modified Kalashnikov's design when he designed the SKS. Is that not the case?

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Post by Stercutus » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:20 am

I remember about ten years ago there was a bogus article circulating (and on Wikipedia) stating that the SKS came out in 1953, not 1943. It was confusing. Didn't mean to dredge that up again.
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Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:34 am

Stercutus wrote:I remember about ten years ago there was a bogus article circulating (and on Wikipedia) stating that the SKS came out in 1953, not 1943. It was confusing. Didn't mean to dredge that up again.
That is around the time I started studying/learning about guns- so while I can't say where my bad info came from- I'm taking this as an easy out.

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Post by 00dlez » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:52 am

Stercutus wrote:I remember about ten years ago there was a bogus article circulating (and on Wikipedia) stating that the SKS came out in 1953, not 1943. It was confusing. Didn't mean to dredge that up again.
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More OT...
Article with more information on Scalise's actual injuries sustained and specific needs for surgeries... I thought it was interesting. Once again they list him as critical and don't mention stable anywhere... :(
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne ... ed-n773346
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After a second surgery on Thursday, Rep. Steve Scalise’s condition has improved, although he remains in critical condition and will need further treatment.

Having a second surgery, with more surgeries planned for the immediate future, is not uncommon with these types of injuries. Although a shot to the hip might seem like a place only involving bones, this area is one of the worst to sustain this kind of trauma.

In addition to the pelvic and leg bones, there are also very large blood vessels along with the bladder and colon. A bullet from an assault rifle traveling through this area typically injures all of these vessels and organs.

The most immediate concern — and the one that is the most threatening to the Louisiana congressman's life — is the damage to the main blood vessels in the hip and pelvic region. If the iliac artery or aorta are damaged, blood loss would be rapid and significant. Medstar has said Scalise received multiple units of blood transfusion.

The first surgery Scalise underwent was done immediately to stop the bleeding: it's the most critical part of the immediate post-gunshot recovery. Typically, a patient is then allowed to recover and build up his blood supply, either through ongoing transfusions or his own blood. Scalise was given time in between surgeries to recover and gain strength for whatever surgeries and procedures may be next.
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Re: Congressman and aides shot in VA

Post by Stercutus » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:16 pm

From Daily Caller so I put it in the "not confirmed by a reputable news source category" but they claim an exclusive so here you go:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/exclu ... sons-body/

James T. Hodgkinson, the shooter who opened fire on dozens of Republican congressmen and staffers at a baseball practice in Alexandria, Virginia, on Wednesday, had a list of Republican names in his pocket that was recovered by the FBI, The Daily Caller has learned.
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Post by teotwaki » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:22 pm

Stercutus wrote:I remember about ten years ago there was a bogus article circulating (and on Wikipedia) stating that the SKS came out in 1953, not 1943. It was confusing. Didn't mean to dredge that up again.
It is always good to check more that one net resource and with Wikipedia it pays to look at how the article was edited. Sometimes you'll see quite the struggle of opposing viewpoints for hot topics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... on=history

Lots of neat resources for the SKS. I may never own one but it was interesting to read about.

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Post by teotwaki » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:31 pm

Stercutus wrote:From Daily Caller so I put it in the "not confirmed by a reputable news source category" but they claim an exclusive so here you go:
Thanks Stercutus! Seems that they got it right:
Daily Caller wrote:The FBI has contacted at least one of the three congressmen to inform them of their inclusion on the list. Rep. Franks confirmed to Fox News that law enforcement officials have told him he is on the list.

Also:
He (Hodgkinson) also belonged to several anti-GOP groups on Facebook, including one called “Terminate The Republican Party.” The members of that group celebrated Hodgkinson’s mass assassination
So one reaction to this incident is that we may have to avoid any public event that might attract a mass shooter, suicide bomber, etc.
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Post by flybynight » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:22 pm

Have they published anything showing his actual weapons or tactics ? Was the SKS all tacticooled out with 40 rd duckbill mags and NC star scope on a dust cover mount or stone stock caked in cosmoline. Or well maintained ? Did he have any offensive/defensive tactics or just strolled up and took his shots in the open, standing proud. It was posted LEO engaged him at around forty yards. What was his range to the victims ? At forty yards I would have expected more victims with a semi auto rifle, but he did look unbalanced in his photos. Per haps he was swatting imaginary flies or talking over his shoulder to his imaginary friend ?
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I found some information that helped me to understand the distances

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The diamond is 90' on a side and the pitcher's mound is about 63' from home plate

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https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-of ... virginia-1

FBI/ATF releases photos of type of guns Hodgkinson had


June 16, 2017
Joint Statement Update on Status of Shooting in Alexandria, Virginia

Federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies continue to investigate the shooting that occurred in Alexandria, Virginia on Wednesday, June 14, 2017. Investigators and forensic experts remain on scene at Eugene Simpson Stadium Park to complete the shooting trajectory analysis, which can help investigators determine the number of shots fired and the direction from which they originated.

Investigators are working to return the area to the community as soon as possible and expect to release the scene to the Alexandria Police Department this weekend. Alexandria Police Department will then notify residents that the road closures have been lifted and baseball fields re-opened.

The FBI continues to process evidence collected from various search sites in an effort to assess the potential motivations of the single shooter, James Hodgkinson of Belleville, Illinois. According to ATF, weapons traces of the 9mm handgun and 7.62mm caliber rifle found at the scene were legally purchased by the shooter with federal licenses. The ATF provided photos of weapons similar in appearance to those used in Wednesday’s shooting.
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