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Post by wee drop o' bush » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:01 pm

Yeah, Metropolitan Police have confirmed at least one fatality :crybaby:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147 ... da1b11496d


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Re: NEW LONDON ATTACKS

Post by flybynight » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:06 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/03 ... rians.html

http://news.sky.com/story/live-signific ... l-10903581
There are believed to be "multiple victims" after reports of gunfire and stabbings at three separate areas.
:: One witness said there was "tremendous gunfire" in the London Bridge area about 10 minutes before the emergency services arrived in large numbers
:: Footage show people fleeing from the scene after police tell people in the street and in bars to clear the area
:: Police have now responded to reports of stabbings in Borough Market, armed officers have responded and shots have been fire.
:: Police are also responding to an incident in Vauxhall in south London.
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Post by majorhavoc » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:36 pm

Shit. Shit. Shit shit shit shit shit.

My news sources corroborate both reports of the van and of nearby stabbing attacks. I haven't seen anything yet about tremendous gunfire.

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Post by TacAir » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:33 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40147164

Possible second stabbing attack scene.
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Re: NEW LONDON ATTACKS

Post by flybynight » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:55 pm

News reports 6 dead at least 30 injured all the attackers dead
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/04 ... e-say.html
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Post by Stercutus » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:32 am

The police killed the attackers armed with knives and dummy SVESTS. Then they blew up the attackers just to be sure the bombs were fake.

Tourist season is just getting off to a start in the UK. I am hearing that there were a lot of Americans and other foreigners in the area.
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Post by wee drop o' bush » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:40 am

London attack: Seven killed in van and knife incidents
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737
It's less than 2 weeks since Manchester :(
London attack: BBC reporter witnesses van hit pedestrians
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Post by the_alias » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:45 am

I visited the UK last week and timed and organized my visit to spend as little time as possible in London (less than 10 hours) and moved quickly through likely hotspots. Police presence is ramped up (and it's SBRed ARs more than MP5s now).

Irony is they reduced the threat level which means really the intelligence services are just too swamped by the sheer numbers of potential violent terrorists.
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Post by flybynight » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:27 am

The number they were throwing around is 23,000 potential terrorists identified, with 3000 under surveillance. They need around 60 personal to surveil each suspect 24/7. So yea overwhelmed
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Post by flybynight » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:30 am

After the Manchester attack I saw this posted on various social media sites

the argument that you can’t stop ISIS because they are an ideology and you can’t bomb away and ideology.

However, one World War II veteran gave a hard, cold, reality check.
The veteran’s response is going viral. In response to “you can’t bomb an ideology”. “The hell you can’t. Because we did it. These Muslims are no different than the [Imperial] Japanese. The Japs had their suicide bombers too. And we stopped them,” he started.

“What it takes is the resolve and will to use a level of brutality and violence that your generations can’t stomach. And until you can, this sh*t won’t stop. It took us on the beaches with bullets, clearing out caves with flame throwers, and men like LeMay burning down their cities killing people by the tens of thousands,” he said.
“And then it took 2 atom bombs on top of it. But if that was what it took to win we were willing to do it. Until you are willing to do the same…well I hope you enjoy this shit, because it ain’t going to stop,” said the veteran.
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Re: NEW LONDON ATTACKS

Post by raptor » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:10 pm

Without delving into politics of the above, in WW-2 there was a general understanding of evil, in that if it was given a chance it would kill everyone and every thing we cherish.

That and common sense was actually common then.


Getting back to the attack. In the unlikely event you are involved in such an attack; a Capt. Obvious statement: surrender is not an option, victims and body counts, not hostages is the goal, react accordingly.
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Post by yossarian » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:57 pm

That veteran gets around pretty good for an old guy. I've seen that "response" to nearly every attack for the last year or so.
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Post by ZombieGranny » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:04 pm

That's because he said it last year.
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Post by wee drop o' bush » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:35 pm

This is the advice issued on social media by the Metropolitan Police last night. Image



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Post by clarence » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:35 pm

Fuck that.

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ZombieGranny wrote:That's because he said it last year.
YEA well I'm not the social media butterfly's you guys are . :mrgreen:
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Post by Beowolf » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:13 pm

raptor wrote:[snip]... a general understanding of evil, in that if it was given a chance it would kill everyone and every thing we cherish.
Against my better judgment, I'm responding.

If the quote above is read in the context of this WWII veteran's insistence upon brutality, then, indeed, what he is calling for is to do to evil what evil would do to you. The dropping of two atomic bombs did exactly this--it was a wilful disregard of a culture's non-combatants and annihilated them as if they were the ones who dropped the bombs years before. I would call that brutality.

If the solution to brutality is brutality, someone just pull the trigger already. If it's not...well, maybe it's time to think differently. Note the vast majority of terroristic attacks for which ISIS has claimed credit had little instruction or guidance from ISIS as a group. Perhaps the solution should be focused on how to keep these disconnected people from falling into a willingness to perform brutality.

ISIS isn't a snake. Cutting off its head won't kill it. Other heads pop up. A concerted effort needs to be effected across the globe that reaches out to those who have been tempted to do brutality and convince them they are wrong.
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Post by flybynight » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:22 pm

Beowolf wrote:
raptor wrote:[snip]... a general understanding of evil, in that if it was given a chance it would kill everyone and every thing we cherish.
Against my better judgment, I'm responding.

If the quote above is read in the context of this WWII veteran's insistence upon brutality, then, indeed, what he is calling for is to do to evil what evil would do to you. The dropping of two atomic bombs did exactly this--it was a wilful disregard of a culture's non-combatants and annihilated them as if they were the ones who dropped the bombs years before. I would call that brutality.

If the solution to brutality is brutality, someone just pull the trigger already. If it's not...well, maybe it's time to think differently. Note the vast majority of terroristic attacks for which ISIS has claimed credit had little instruction or guidance from ISIS as a group. Perhaps the solution should be focused on how to keep these disconnected people from falling into a willingness to perform brutality.

ISIS isn't a snake. Cutting off its head won't kill it. Other heads pop up. A concerted effort needs to be effected across the globe that reaches out to those who have been tempted to do brutality and convince them they are wrong.
"What it takes is the resolve and will to use a level of brutality and violence that your generations can’t stomach" I think that's the quote you meant to post
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Post by yossarian » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:40 pm

"Non-combatant" is a concept completely absent from some cultures.
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Post by jor-el » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:20 pm

Well, how was the Lernaean Hydra killed? With sword and with fire, wielded by the son of a god.

You can't kill an ideology? Yes you can, we killed two.

1) Germans are a race and superior to others. Not too many talking that point, especially Germans.

2) Hirohito and his bloodline are gods to be worshiped. As I recall, he and his son were forced to recant that idea.

How were these ideologies crushed and burned? With millions of men bearing rifles and bayonets, with armor, with planes, with bombs of all sizes from pineapples to little boys to fat men. It sure wasn't stopped in a debate hall.

Is self defense evil? Even within the British response to these attacks, SOMEONE in England (the government) has guns for common defense, just not the subjects of the crown.

Their religion says they are a superior people and all others must be subjugated. That if they kill for their god, Heaven will be opened for them. Now, how is this idea different from the other two? Are you aware this is even within their Koran?

Flybynight, what is your solution that stops all jihadis from hopping into the nearest lorry with keys, grabbing a meat cleaver and driving into the nearest crowd on the street?
A concerted effort needs to be effected across the globe that reaches out to those who have been tempted to do brutality and convince them they are wrong.
You're going to debate them all?
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Re: NEW LONDON ATTACKS

Post by SCBrian » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:51 pm

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Beowolf wrote:[snip]... The dropping of two atomic bombs did exactly this--it was a wilful disregard of a culture's non-combatants and annihilated them as if they were the ones who dropped the bombs years before

Ever read the notes on the discussions on the targets? Read em. a number of reasons (Both good and bad went into the decision). Even beyond that, the targets were military with factories and garrisons.
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I dont think we'll see much change until you see change from within the culture it's self. When the "moderates" and the "progressives" denounce firmly, LOUDLY, and in numbers enough to quash the radicals. You're dealing with a religious cult sect that teaches from childhood that "if you kill the infidels and die in the process, you will have riches in heaven as opposed to the squalor you have here." It's an ideology that needs to end. Life is cheap to some cultures and revered by others...
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Re: NEW LONDON ATTACKS

Post by flybynight » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:29 pm

Flybynight, what is your solution that stops all jihadis from hopping into the nearest lorry with keys, grabbing a meat cleaver and driving into the nearest crowd on the street?
They keep telling us we can't give in to the terror. That we need to proclaim that we won't be cowed or change from our normal routines. Bullshit. This stop them with hugs and Keep the higher moral ground is just getting civilians killed and maimed . We are at war.
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Re: NEW LONDON ATTACKS

Post by Stercutus » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:59 am

That sounds great. Except then you will have those that slip in below the radar and hide their nature until they attack. Still, it could reduce attacks. If you could work it through the courts. In the US the courts don't believe in evil.


You can't kill an ideology? Yes you can, we killed two.
The US has done a lot more than two. Those are just more recent examples.
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