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Cowardly Terrorist Assholes.
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Post by Stercutus » Mon May 22, 2017 8:34 pm

Now they are murdering little kids.
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Re: Explosions at Manchester Arena

Post by norcalprep » Mon May 22, 2017 8:46 pm

Events such as a concert usually have security to prevent weapons being brought into the event. What is currently suspected, however, is that this occurred just outside, while people are leaving after the show, and likely squeezing through the exit chokepoint, all massed together.

Damn, how do you defend against something like this?

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Re: Explosions at Manchester Arena

Post by Stercutus » Mon May 22, 2017 9:00 pm

Before the attack, you can't really. All you can do is react once it goes off.

You can change some habits like avoiding crowds but most people do that anyway.

You can bury your head in the sand and hope the world does not come to your doorstep.
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Post by teotwaki » Tue May 23, 2017 6:50 am

death toll at 22
injured at 59
Suicide bomber ID'ed
Possible accomplice arrested
IED reported to have had nuts, bolts and other hardware for shrapnel
Possible Twitter threats may have surfaced four hours before attack
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Explosions at Manchester Arena

Post by wee drop o' bush » Tue May 23, 2017 8:33 am

Awful :cry:

Amongst the fatalities is an 8 year old girl.
Manchester attack: 22 dead and 59 hurt in suicide bombing
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A homeless man has given a harrowing account of the moment he rushed to help severely wounded children in the aftermath of the Manchester Arena bomb attack.

Stephen Jones was sleeping near the venue on Monday night when he heard a huge bang, which he initially thought was a firework.

"I then realised what was happening and saw children coming out, screaming and covered in blood," the 35-year-old told ITV News.

He recalled, in graphic detail, wiping blood from children's eyes before noticing their horrific injuries.

"We were having to pull nails and bits of glass out of their arms and faces," he said.

He described a scene of devastation, where "lifeless" bodies of children were strewn on the floor surrounded by "hysterical" mothers.

"We haven't slept most of the night because of what we've seen."
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Re: Explosions at Manchester Arena

Post by Stercutus » Tue May 23, 2017 10:14 am

ISIS has gone ahead and claimed it. They enjoy murdering children so it makes sense. They have not released a victims list yet but there will likely be many children on the list. Casualty numbers are 22/119, making it the largest attack since 7/7.
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Re: Explosions at Manchester Arena

Post by NamelessStain » Tue May 23, 2017 10:48 am

Stercutus wrote:ISIS has gone ahead and claimed it.
Of course they did. They claim almost all attacks anymore.

Soft target. /sigh
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Post by majorhavoc » Tue May 23, 2017 12:50 pm

ISIS/ISIL has been murdering kids for a while now. It's just usually in a school in Mosul or some Afghan market near the Pakistani border. This attack is designed to shock the conscience of western nations, which it has.

Beyond the casualties, apparently a lot of kids and their parents became separated in the mayhem. I cannot imagine anything more terrifying for a mother or father than not knowing where your child is and that they're unharmed when something like this happens. Particularly if you were the one that brought them to that venue in the first place.

Trying to focus on some small aspect of this incident that's positive: Apparently Manchester residents and businesses in the immediate area began rendering assistance within minutes. Strangers letting distraught kids use their cell phones, taxi drivers giving lifts home without charging. Homeowners and hotels taking in anyone without a means to get home that night.

The issue has been discussed here at ZS before, but part of being well prepared is being in a position to offer help to those who aren't.

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Re: Explosions at Manchester Arena

Post by quazi » Tue May 23, 2017 2:23 pm

majorhavoc wrote:The issue has been discussed here at ZS before, but part of being well prepared is being in a position to offer help to those who aren't.
+1

I think that's as much as half of the reason to be prepared. Heck, for some people it might be most of the reason. I like to imagine there's some elderly preppers out there setting on ten years worth of food* not because they're trying to survive nuclear armageddon but because they want to be able to feed their entire neighborhood for a month if some shit goes down.

*Ten years worth of food for two people, which would feed ~240 people for a month if I did my math right.

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Post by Hokicake » Tue May 23, 2017 2:30 pm

does security not look for bombs? you would think in this day that's what people would be doing. Especially at any big event it really needs to be treated like the president is going to attend.

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Post by Dabster » Tue May 23, 2017 2:43 pm

I wonder how long before concert venues start looking like airports, with limited external access, limited loitering and dispersed exits?
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Post by Hokicake » Tue May 23, 2017 2:45 pm

and outside will be inside and inside will be outside

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Post by Close_enough » Tue May 23, 2017 3:14 pm

Dabster wrote:I wonder how long before concert venues start looking like airports, with limited external access, limited loitering and dispersed exits?
It's already like that here (SoCal) at a lot of the big public venues. I carry around a padded SASE just in case I have to mail my pocket knife home.

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Post by Shiloh » Tue May 23, 2017 3:44 pm

Hokicake wrote:does security not look for bombs? you would think in this day that's what people would be doing. Especially at any big event it really needs to be treated like the president is going to attend.
There's a lot of issues when trying to screen for bombs/weapons:

1) The sheer number of people attending. Thousands upon thousands of people, a good majority carrying some sort of bag/purse/etc. Thoroughly searching each one would take hours and hours. And even if they did pursue this policy, that would mean hiring hundreds of security personnel solely for that purpose. And unfortunately, people get complacent. I'm sure the guy checking all those bags, doing it for minimum wage, wants to get it all done as soon as possible.

2) Very few law enforcement officers, and even fewer security personnel, are specifically trained in how to properly search for and identify explosive devices. The problem is that they can look totally mundane, until they're not.

3) While I don't believe it's been confirmed yet, there were reports that the bomb was detonated near an exit corridor that people were using to leave the concert. It wouldn't be too terribly difficult for an attacker to briefly mingle in with the crowd leaving before detonating. Plus I doubt every entrance/exit is being observd 100% of the time.
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Re: Explosions at Manchester Arena

Post by Stercutus » Tue May 23, 2017 3:56 pm

Trying to focus on some small aspect of this incident that's positive: Apparently Manchester residents and businesses in the immediate area began rendering assistance within minutes. Strangers letting distraught kids use their cell phones, taxi drivers giving lifts home without charging. Homeowners and hotels taking in anyone without a means to get home that night.
I noticed that. There was also a T-shirt vendor who gave up a load of T-Shirts to be used as splints ties and hasty blood stoppers. He even helped apply some. You don't often think of a T-shirt vendor as being the stand up guy willing to jump in and try to save lives. Speaks volumes about the people there.
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Post by wee drop o' bush » Tue May 23, 2017 4:03 pm

Agreed, people from the North of England are something special.

UK threat level raised to highest level
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40023488
The threat level has been raised to Critical, which basically means they feel an International terror attack could imminently happen (at any time).
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Post by taipan821 » Tue May 23, 2017 5:28 pm

Hokicake wrote:does security not look for bombs? you would think in this day that's what people would be doing. Especially at any big event it really needs to be treated like the president is going to attend.
how to you stop a suicide bomber from running in?, how do you stop a car/truck? you can try all you want, but if they want to do it...they'll do it
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Post by NamelessStain » Wed May 24, 2017 6:50 am

Shiloh wrote:
Hokicake wrote:does security not look for bombs? you would think in this day that's what people would be doing. Especially at any big event it really needs to be treated like the president is going to attend.
There's a lot of issues when trying to screen for bombs/weapons:

1) The sheer number of people attending. Thousands upon thousands of people, a good majority carrying some sort of bag/purse/etc. Thoroughly searching each one would take hours and hours. And even if they did pursue this policy, that would mean hiring hundreds of security personnel solely for that purpose. And unfortunately, people get complacent. I'm sure the guy checking all those bags, doing it for minimum wage, wants to get it all done as soon as possible.

2) Very few law enforcement officers, and even fewer security personnel, are specifically trained in how to properly search for and identify explosive devices. The problem is that they can look totally mundane, until they're not.

3) While I don't believe it's been confirmed yet, there were reports that the bomb was detonated near an exit corridor that people were using to leave the concert. It wouldn't be too terribly difficult for an attacker to briefly mingle in with the crowd leaving before detonating. Plus I doubt every entrance/exit is being observd 100% of the time.
+1

Plus you know some of the security people were "Hey Dave, do you want to work security at the show? Here's a shirt, stand over there."
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Post by teotwaki » Wed May 24, 2017 10:09 am

"Detectives are investigating a suspected terror cell in connection with the Manchester Arena suicide bombing.

Ian Hopkins, the chief constable of Greater Manchester police, said it was “very clear that this is a network that we are investigating” as arrests and armed raids continued across the city.

The statement is the strongest official confirmation that Salman Adebi, 23, did not act alone when he blew himself up at the end of an Ariana Grande concert on Monday night, killing 22 people including an eight-year-old girl.

There will be further questions for the intelligence agencies if it is confirmed that a Manchester-based terror cell was involved in planning the attack, which experts have said would have required sophisticated bomb-making knowledge."

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Post by flybynight » Wed May 24, 2017 11:27 am

So saw a pic of the guy who did it. Kinda confirms my belief that one of the reoccurring traits to these mass murderers is bad haircuts. Just another creeper angry that the girls would not even talk to him much less sleep with him. Trump nailed it. Loser !
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Post by Hokicake » Wed May 24, 2017 11:43 am

Well entry's and exits need to be watched who are these security people and how are they trained. People need to start hiring military vets to keep people safe the right way.

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