Chemical Attacks and US response

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Re: Chemical Attacks and US response

Post by LowKey » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:12 am

A follow up to Dark Axel's post-
If you're worried about chemical attacks and can legally obtain it where you live, get some atropine auto injectors and basic instruction about them.
Use is very easy; they look somewhat like a big magic marker and a little one paired together. Pull the cap off the big one and poke that end firmly into the back of your thigh or buttocks, the do the same with the smaller. Expect a sharp pain, as when you poke yourself with them a needle springs out and into your muscle (yup, right through your clothing) and the compounds within are forced into you. In the military after you use an auto-injector you are supposed to attach the used auto injector to the collar of the person injected by sticking the needle through the fabric and bending it over.
This is so others will know how many doses the person has received in case the subject has become unconscious. Three auto-injectors was the maximum dose amount that could be administered by a non-medical professional.
Oh...be real careful with them if you have any. It was not unheard of for someone to screw up and dose themselves by screwing up when training (mistaking a real injector for a dummy)or (more often) clowning around with an auto-injector. They'll make you feel sick as a dog, cause your heart to race, and all sorts of unpleasantness.
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Re: Chemical Attacks and US response

Post by LowKey » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:20 am

It might be worthwhile mentioning how chemical weapons are generally deployed.

Obviously there are chemical weapon warheads (artillery shells, bombs, ect.) but you should also be aware that some agents are deployed by spraying....rather like crop dusting.

So if non-state actors were deploying them it might be via an explosion that was designed to spread the agent more than it was designed to cause blast damage, so don't assume that just because the explosions have stopped that the danger has passed.
Likewise if you see someone spraying something from a plane or tanker truck in an area where that isn't appropriate (for example, "crop dusting" downtown) you may have grounds for concern. :lol:
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Re: Chemical Attacks and US response

Post by raptor » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:56 am

Excellent information on chemical attacks thank you both.

To build on Lowkey's comment about crop dusting downtown, the Tokyo gas attack by local terrorist utilized sarin in trash bags that were filled with a homemade low quality sarin. They inflated the bag with atomized sarin and then released it a crowed subway.

The sarin was low quality but it was still deadly in the enclosed subway.

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Re: Chemical Attacks and US response

Post by Wraith6761 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:29 pm

LowKey wrote:So if non-state actors were deploying them it might be via an explosion that was designed to spread the agent more than it was designed to cause blast damage, so don't assume that just because the explosions have stopped that the danger has passed.
Wasn't this part of the plan for the '93 attack at the World Trade Center? I seem to remember there being something about if the bomb worked the way it was intended to, there was some chemical (sodium cyanide maybe?) that was supposed to be spread by the blast along with toppling tower 1 into tower 2, thus contaminating a big chunk of downtown NYC and increasing the body count tremendously...
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Re: Chemical Attacks and US response

Post by DarkAxel » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:50 am

Wraith6761 wrote:
LowKey wrote:So if non-state actors were deploying them it might be via an explosion that was designed to spread the agent more than it was designed to cause blast damage, so don't assume that just because the explosions have stopped that the danger has passed.
Wasn't this part of the plan for the '93 attack at the World Trade Center? I seem to remember there being something about if the bomb worked the way it was intended to, there was some chemical (sodium cyanide maybe?) that was supposed to be spread by the blast along with toppling tower 1 into tower 2, thus contaminating a big chunk of downtown NYC and increasing the body count tremendously...
The first boom on that bomb was to trigger a larger thermobaric boom (fuel-air-explosive, like the MOAB), not a chemical boom. There's never been any real evidence to back up the idea that the bomb had a CW component.
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To build on Lowkey's comment about crop dusting downtown, the Tokyo gas attack by local terrorist utilized sarin in trash bags that were filled with a homemade low quality sarin. They inflated the bag with atomized sarin and then released it a crowed subway.

The sarin was low quality but it was still deadly in the enclosed subway.
The Tokyo attack is what I expect someone might pull off here. Sarin has a real low vapor point, so all you have to do is expose it to air and it starts to vaporize. IIRC, the Aum Shinrikyo terrorists just poked holes in the bags and the managed to kill 10 and injure more than 5000 people. If they had taken the time to improvise an aerosol delivery system injuries could have easily reached 10k, with deaths in the hundreds.
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