How did Venezuela end up this way?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by moab » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:02 am

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Miami Herald -Venezuela forces killed thousands, then covered it up, U.N. says


GENEVA — Venezuelan special forces have carried out thousands of extrajudicial killings in the past 18 months and then manipulated crime scenes to make it look as if the victims had been resisting arrest, the United Nations said Thursday in a report detailing wide-ranging government abuses targeting political opponents.

Special Action Forces described by witnesses as “death squads” killed 5,287 people in 2018 and another 1,569 by mid-May of this year, in what are officially termed by the Venezuelan government “Operations for the Liberation of the People,” U.N. investigators reported.

Laying out a detailed description of a lawless system of oppression, the report says the actual number of deaths could be much higher. It cites accounts by independent groups who report more than 9,000 killings for “resistance to authority” over the same period.

The report, which U.N. human rights chief Michelle Bachelet will present to the Human Rights Council in Geneva on Friday, delivers a scathing critique of President Nicolás Maduro’s embattled government and its handling of Venezuela’s deepening political and economic crisis.
I think the ones left are simply afraid.
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by moab » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:33 am

Isn't it a little weird that we never heard back from that guy in Venezuela? lol.
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by MPMalloy » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:39 pm

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Isn't it a little weird that we never heard back from that guy in Venezuela? lol.
The Dentist?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

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MPMalloy wrote:
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moab wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:33 am
Isn't it a little weird that we never heard back from that guy in Venezuela? lol.
The Dentist?
IDK what he was. The guy living in Venezuela that was commenting in this thread.
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by flybynight » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:36 am

He's probably dead or too fearful to even open sites like this up anymore.
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by JayceSlayn » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:49 am

moab wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:27 pm
MPMalloy wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:39 pm
moab wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:33 am
Isn't it a little weird that we never heard back from that guy in Venezuela? lol.
The Dentist?
IDK what he was. The guy living in Venezuela that was commenting in this thread.
There were a few Venezuela posters in this thread, but they have all eventually "gone dark". While the situation in Venezuela would probably still give good odds that they are still alive at least, it would also give good odds that they are hard-up for spare time/resources to continue commenting here. My best-case hope is that they've decided to get out of dodge and are currently struggling to get life back together somewhere else, but there are of course worse scenarios... :ohdear:
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by plagaboy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:43 pm

Hi! Still alive & still in Vzla, I've just been really busy trying to get my surgery done.

Things here have calmed down a lot politically speaking, some small demonstration here and there about salaries and healthcare but nothing big.

Economically the situation is awful, today the US $ just reached Bs. 23.000, meaning that the min wage is now a bit under $2 a month. Basic goods are widely available, just too expensive. Common pantry staples are becoming luxury items, and with the coming start of classes families are struggling to get by, a single kindergarten book can cost up to Bs. 150.000, a whole list of school supplies can easily go north of a million Bs.

I can't say for sure how much people have fled the country, internally some people say that up to 20% of the population have left and while it's difficult to get a really accurate number, it's really noticeable that a good chunk of the population is not there; empty houses, job offers, less mayhem on public transport and just by walking down the street you can notice how less crowded everything is. There's a running joke in WhatsApp groups that there are less and less +58 numbers, which is Vzla area code.

I believe that this is the main reason for the apparent stability right now, millions have left and besides the huge relief that it represents to our dying infrastructure, it also generates an influx of money due to people sending money to help their relatives here.

Hopelessness can be felt in the air, people have just resigned that there'll be no change at all, most people are just trying to see how to get out of here.

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by boskone » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:21 pm

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Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:43 pm
Hi! Still alive & still in Vzla, I've just been really busy trying to get my surgery done.
Glad you're still around, plagaboy.

I hope you'll forgive me if I wish you had better news, though. Best of luck to you.

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by MPMalloy » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:23 am

From Reuters: Venezuela investigates Guaido over photo with suspected Colombian criminals

Does anyone know if there is anything to this?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by plagaboy » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:57 am

MPMalloy wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:23 am
From Reuters: Venezuela investigates Guaido over photo with suspected Colombian criminals

Does anyone know if there is anything to this?
He did appear in the photo with them, he says that he didn't knew who they were but it has been confirmed by colombian police that both have been arrested and are linked to "Los Rastrojos" a drug trafficking group derived from some autodefenzas.

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by moab » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:55 pm

https://apnews.com/981415d41c14422ab1cb ... ce=Twitter

Venezuelans selling their possessions at flea markets to flee the country.
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by Stercutus » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:37 pm

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From OilPrice: This Could Be The End Of Chevron’s Business With Venezuela
Yeah, the collapse of the petroleum market in response to the virus has nothing to do with it. It was just convenient timing that world production needs to be cut. Speaking of which due to the great reduction in vehicle traffic between NYC and Brooklyn they have decided to scrap the bridge spanning the East River and go back to ferry service. Someone could make a fortune in scrap metal off all that old steel.
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by Happy Go Lucky » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:25 pm

Ironically- this could truly be the end of the Maduro regime.
Obviously the US will not be doing any sort of Panama style invasion or extraction right now.
But the ability to close/confiscate bank accounts and the listing of persons who will be arrested if they leave Venezuela is going to make this very painful for those precisely at the top of the government.

I'm assuming the US government has substantial recorded communications to present a very strong case that this was/is going on.

And I just read in the Sunday paper (yes, I still get a paper delivered to my home each day) that a former general - Cliver Alcala- who was living in Columbia has already surrendered to US DEA and been transported to the US. Clearly, the race is on to see who can turn into a "cooperating witness" faster and then negotiate a better plea deal.

With so many of the Venezuela regime leaving the country due to poor living conditions and trying to move assets out of the country- this indictment puts all those efforts in a much tougher place. "Viva la Revolution!"
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by plagaboy » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:08 pm

Hi! Quick update:

-Gas shortages are a thing in the country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world! :v:
-People are starting to ignore the lockdown
-Even more inflation
-There is a supposed wave of migrant return due to the pandemic craziness

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by RoneKiln » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:02 am

Thanks for the update Plagaboy.

I fully believe you about the gas shortages, but it's still hard to believe.
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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by Black Beard » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:35 pm

Venezuela has lots of heavy, sour oil. Not so much a problem when the oil price is high. When the oil price drops, the cost of turning that oil into light, sulphur free fuel really hits the bottom line. At some point it will cost more to fix the oil than they can sell the finished product for. Then Venezuela's oil is worthless.

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Re: How did Venezuela end up this way?

Post by plagaboy » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Black Beard wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:35 pm
Venezuela has lots of heavy, sour oil. Not so much a problem when the oil price is high. When the oil price drops, the cost of turning that oil into light, sulphur free fuel really hits the bottom line. At some point it will cost more to fix the oil than they can sell the finished product for. Then Venezuela's oil is worthless.
Of course, most of our reserves are heavy oil, but there's a lot of light oil, our refineries were built with that in mind. The core of the problem ends up being that all of them where neglected to the point that there's no chance to even cover internal demand.

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