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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by Stercutus » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:24 am

Actually he is right (well half right anyway), and I apologize for offending Doc's delicate sensibilities.

Since he has no idea about what leaders I am talking about he is inserting his own bias there.

But the remarks about Islam were unnecessary and uncalled for so I went and edited them best I could.
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by raptor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:28 pm

That and large bags and suitcases have been banned from the beaches in Cannes
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... tacks-pre/

PARIS (AP) - Vacationers in the French Riviera city of Cannes have been banned from bringing big bags to the beach for security reasons in hopes of deterring a terrorist attack.
Cannes Mayor David Lisnard says the restriction seeks to stop “bags that could contain explosives or weapons and allows police forces to intervene in a pragmatic way.”
Lisnard said Thursday that the ban on large backpacks, suitcases and other luggage would run until at least the end of October.

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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by Stercutus » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:15 pm

A couple of days ago this caught my eye:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/brazil-arre ... cs-attack/
Justice Minister Alexandre de Moraes on Thursday announced the arrest of 10 Brazilians who police said had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and discussed on social media the possibility of staging attacks during next month's games.

The man arrested Friday is one of two additional suspects that Moraes said were being sought.

Authorities have said that an investigation that began in April showed the suspects were ISIS sympathizers online...
I'd be curious to see how far they went. In some countries merely suggesting violence will get you thrown in the klink for good long time in others it is well protected under free speech. In the US if they catch you it gets you put on a watch list but not so everywhere.
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by raptor » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:55 pm

The mass stabbing in London may or may not be a terrorist attack. UK authorities are apparently taking no chances.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-prepare ... 1470226721
LONDON—A woman was killed and as many as five others were wounded in a knife attack in central London late Wednesday, hours after more armed police officers were deployed on the city’s streets under measures to prepare the country for the types of attacks by Islamic extremists seen elsewhere in Europe.

London’s Metropolitan Police, known as Scotland Yard, said they arrested a suspect in connection with the attack in Russell Square.

The police didn’t rule out terrorism as a motive, according to a police statement early Thursday. No further information was immediately available.

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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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raptor wrote:The mass stabbing in London may or may not be a terrorist attack. UK authorities are apparently taking no chances.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-prepare ... 1470226721
LONDON—A woman was killed and as many as five others were wounded in a knife attack in central London late Wednesday, hours after more armed police officers were deployed on the city’s streets under measures to prepare the country for the types of attacks by Islamic extremists seen elsewhere in Europe.

London’s Metropolitan Police, known as Scotland Yard, said they arrested a suspect in connection with the attack in Russell Square.

The police didn’t rule out terrorism as a motive, according to a police statement early Thursday. No further information was immediately available.
Does it count as terrorism if it isn't "officially sponsored" by an officially recognized group of extremists, or is adherence to the ideology by the perpetrator of violence enough to rate it as an act of terrorism vs simply labeling it as "workplace violence", or "a mental health issue"?
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by flybynight » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:45 pm

Is it any less a mental health issue whether one believes he must kill people by blowing themselves up because of a non existing exchange between them and God or let's say Daffy Duck?
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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flybynight wrote:Is it any less a mental health issue whether one believes he must kill people by blowing themselves up because of a non existing exchange between them and God or let's say Daffy Duck?
I'd say the question of mental health of anyone choosing to blow themselves up would always be in doubt. Now, what does that say about ideologies that laud or encourage self detonation to kill anyone with an opposing viewpoint? :crazy:
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by duodecima » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:25 pm

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flybynight wrote:Is it any less a mental health issue whether one believes he must kill people by blowing themselves up because of a non existing exchange between them and God or let's say Daffy Duck?
I'd say the question of mental health of anyone choosing to blow themselves up would always be in doubt. Now, what does that say about ideologies that laud or encourage self detonation to kill anyone with an opposing viewpoint? :crazy:
Or say about religious/political ideologies that laud/encourage/approve post factum murdering people engaging in certain legal acts or pursuing a 'lifestyle'? Because that's not a small category of religions or political ideologies, human beings being the garbage that we are.

But really, the minute we start talking about ideologies? We're talking about religion or politics. The minute somebody's got a different viewpoint about it? We're DEBATING RELIGION OR POLITICS. Which is something ZS is pretty explicit about not doing.

We may disagree in part or in total, on details or fundamentals, and on here that's totally fine. I completely fundamentally disagree with some folks on here but when we leave that be, they post good, valuable stuff about disaster preparedness (and sometimes zombies :crazy: ).
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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flybynight wrote:Is it any less a mental health issue whether one believes he must kill people by blowing themselves up because of a non existing exchange between them and God or let's say Daffy Duck?
I'd say the question of mental health of anyone choosing to blow themselves up would always be in doubt. Now, what does that say about ideologies that laud or encourage self detonation to kill anyone with an opposing viewpoint? :crazy:
Or say about religious/political ideologies that laud/encourage/approve post factum murdering people engaging in certain legal acts or pursuing a 'lifestyle'? Because that's not a small category of religions or political ideologies, human beings being the garbage that we are.

But really, the minute we start talking about ideologies? We're talking about religion or politics. The minute somebody's got a different viewpoint about it? We're DEBATING RELIGION OR POLITICS. Which is something ZS is pretty explicit about not doing.

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There's a ton of political stuff that's absolutely relevant to prepping, or at least to what motivates us to prep & what we're prepping for or think is most likely. THIS IS STILL NOT THE PLACE TO TALK ABOUT IT!!! If we can't accept that, or if ZS/mods has decided that rules 6&7 aren't a priority, or have certain exceptions? That will essentially remove what has always been ZS's unique and valuble contribution to preparedness.


Not all ideologies are political or religious.
Without argument many of them are but not all, which is why I chose to use the word "ideology" rather than "religion".
Prepping is an ideology, for example. The belief in being prepared for emergencies, the belief in self reliance, the belief in personal responsibility, the world view that bad things can happen in the world but that the effects can be mitigated by skills and supplies acquired in advance to aid in coping with potential disasters.

Now the question I posed is applicable to any ideology that advocates suicide bombing to stifle or intimidate anyone who doesn't share their belief. If "Earth First" (which is neither a political nor a religious ideology) started using suicide bombers, as an example. Or the Sierra Club. Or the Boys Scouts, for that matter.





Ideology is a set of shared beliefs within a group, such as a nation or social class. This body of beliefs influence the way individuals think, act, and view the world.
Common Ideology Examples
Political Ideologies

Here are some examples:

Political parties embody a range of ideals covering government, economics, education, healthcare, foreign policy, and more. Some examples are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and the Green Party.
Classical liberalism is a capitalistic ideology which stands for a limited government with political freedom, civil liberties and laissez-faire economic policies.
Social or modern liberalism is liberalism which focuses on social and economic issues while ensuring individual freedom.
Social democracy advocates a peaceful change from capitalism to socialism with a representative democracy including collective bargaining and public services.
Neo-liberalism embodies free trade, privatization, deregulation and laissez-faire economic policies.
Bolshevism was primarily workers that wanted to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat, the working class.
Marxism is socialism with the goal of a classless society. Principles include the class struggle, a labor theory of value and a proletariat dictatorship.
Leninism focused on a proletariat dictatorship based on Lenin’s theories of government.
Communism promotes collective ownership of property with one political party controlling social and economic policy.
Trotskyism advocated a revolution of the working class bringing freedom and democracy.
Stalinism is an authoritarian ideology with one person having all the power. In Stalinism, political and ideological dissidents are strongly suppressed.
Maoism emphasizes the revolutionary power of the peasants and was the interpretation of Marxist and Lenin theories by Mao Zedong.

Cultural and Social Ideologies

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Concentration on the environment and green practices has led to an ecological ideology including green economics.
Racism places the blame for certain social conditions on one or more races of people. This can lead to division among races and racial prejudice and discrimination.
Feminism advocates equality for women economically, socially and politically. It also deals with the rights of women, including reproductive rights.
Gender ideology is concerned with the attitudes of men and women on their place in society, their rights and responsibilities.
Individualism deals with inherent worth of each individual and focuses on self-sufficiency and freedom.
Anti-intellectualism includes the attitudes of people who let the government tell them how to view the world rather than become informed themselves of the government’s policies. This gives the government more control since the people believe its propaganda.
Equality of opportunity is an ideology that wishes to eliminate discrimination that is based on age, gender, color, race, national origin, religion, and disabilities that include physical and mental disabilities.
Work ethic is a set of beliefs that focus on the moral virtue of work and they way work can lead to a stronger character.
Religions are all ideologies and within each one is a variation of beliefs. Some believers strictly follow all the tenets while others are more liberal and choose the ones they feel are more important.
Common sense ideologies are based on locale. People in a rural or wilderness area will share certain beliefs about safety and protection from animals. In urban areas, people learn to cross streets safely.


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The Religious Tolerance post made by Michelle and posted by the (now inactive) moderator Gunny as part of the "ZS Rules Thread"* makes it quite clear that religion can be a legitimate topic here (as those are the exact words used), and while they'd like us to avoid discussing it they recognized that it may on occasion be pertinent to a matter at hand and simply asked that people remain pleasant and polite if they need to bring it up.

I think that my asking a rhetorical question about any ideology that advocates suicide bombing in public places stays well within the rules and guidelines. It's polite. It's pleasant. It doesn't single out any one particular group but is addressed to any group, irrespective of whatever creates the cohesive bond forming that group, that would advocate the committing of such acts on innocent members of the general public. If the Shriner's were advocating suicide bombings I'd ask the same question. :lol:


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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by Stercutus » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:21 am

I mean sure the Shriner's could build VBIEDs but with those little cars the worst that would happen is people get sprayed with little pieces of fez.
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Post by raptor » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:36 am

OK, first of all this thread is for the purpose of congregating Islamic terror attacks in Europe. This was done because we had several threads dealing with such attacks. They were merged into one thread for everyone's convenience. The usual rule of reporting just the facts applies here; diving off into the politics or in the this case religious discussion is not.

Facts about the matter are good; condemnation of religion is not good.


Rules 6 & 7 are still applicable.

However the rules do not prohibit mentioning that religion was the motivation for the attack IF it is in fact relevant to the attack(s). That does not mean the religion (or any religion) can be bashed in the process of discussing the thread.

A question about whether the attacker(s) are mental cases is also relevant since the mass stabbing in Japan and the last shooting in Munich were the result of people with violent mental issues. The one in Munich was initially credited as an Islamic terror attack.

Discussing whether an entire religion is in need of mental help is obviously not OK.
Asking if a specific attacker is deranged, is unfortunately, a relevant question.

Adults should be able to have a civil discussion about these attacks. They are a relevant (albeit minor for many of us) risk that we all face. That is the way we try and moderate the discussion.

As for enforcement of rules, the mods are volunteers and thus more janitors than police.

We clean up the puke, tape back the torn envelope when people push it too far and try to keep the discussion on track. We do not like to censor nor do we want to lock threads. We hope the adults here will cooperate with the community. If not, after discussion with other mods, appropriate steps are taken.


If you want to discuss the topic of rules and whether or not they apply; this is not place to do so.



Getting this thread back on track after the derail.








Some good news!




There is no attack to post to this thread at this time. :D

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Post by Stercutus » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:29 pm

Not quite as good as an SVEST bomber blowing himself up with no other injuries but a melee attack against a police station is right up there in likely good outcomes.
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

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:?
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by Stercutus » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:13 am

Germany is now requiring people to keep 10 days of food and five days of water on hand in case a terror attack keeps people inside on curfew. Not sure why it is not the reverse?

http://www.metro.us/news/germany-to-tel ... g6nhWmSCw/
Germany is currently on high alert after two Islamist attacks and a shooting rampage by a mentally unstable teenager last month. Berlin announced measures earlier this month to spend considerably more on its police and security forces and to create a special unit to counter cyber crime and terrorism.

"The population will be obliged to hold an individual supply of food for ten days," the newspaper quoted the government's "Concept for Civil Defence" - which has been prepared by the Interior Ministry - as saying.
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by Ad'lan » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:18 am

Stercutus wrote:Germany is now requiring people to keep 10 days of food and five days of water on hand in case a terror attack keeps people inside on curfew. Not sure why it is not the reverse?

http://www.metro.us/news/germany-to-tel ... g6nhWmSCw/
Germany is currently on high alert after two Islamist attacks and a shooting rampage by a mentally unstable teenager last month. Berlin announced measures earlier this month to spend considerably more on its police and security forces and to create a special unit to counter cyber crime and terrorism.

"The population will be obliged to hold an individual supply of food for ten days," the newspaper quoted the government's "Concept for Civil Defence" - which has been prepared by the Interior Ministry - as saying.
They do not expect to cut off peoples water supplies, so municipal water will still be available for those under a curfew.
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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by quazi » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:48 pm

How are they planning to enforce that? When I read the article they used words like "obliged" and "required" so it sounds like it's more than an advisory, but it also seems like the kind of thing that would be expensive and invasive to enforce.

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Re: Islamic Terror Attacks in Europe

Post by LowKey » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:11 pm

quazi wrote:How are they planning to enforce that? When I read the article they used words like "obliged" and "required" so it sounds like it's more than an advisory, but it also seems like the kind of thing that would be expensive and invasive to enforce.
Three days into a curfew/lockdown when someone complains that thier human rights are being violated because tehy have no food or potable water they get charged?

More realistically I think this is a precautionary measure in case there are prolonged/sustained attacks that would more closely resemble insurgency vs hit and run terrorist attack.
Have to figure if a modern western nation state can't retake one of it's own neighborhoods within 10 days they'll have to admit it's a bit more than a handful of malcontents.

That's if such a thing should come to pass.
“Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” Robert A. Heinlein

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