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Munich shooting

Post by sheddi » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:28 pm

Reports of a mass shooting in a Munich store approx. an hour ago.

Reports of at least one dead, ten injured. Shooter on the run.

Little to go on yet other than eyewitness reports on Twitter.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by Aikibiker » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:09 pm

Video of the shooter.

https://twitter.com/johndeconner/status ... 36?lang=en

Polizei are saying multiple gunmen at multiple sites.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by the_alias » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:41 pm

I've got friends in Munich and already know people who've died in recent Islamic terrorist acts (Brussels) I hope there aren't more after today...
A German minister is saying "“In Germany we must also expect attacks by small groups of radicalised ‘lone-wolf’ attackers,”" - why? Why must we expect it? Could it be possibly by welcoming 100s of thousands of 'refugees' infected with a belief system that has shown itself to lead to committing acts of extreme violence again and again and again?

People are refusing to accept reality and now they see what Mama Merkel has brought to their homes.


*edit* I do realise it isn't confirmed yet it is Islamic terror but it is the obvious one. It could easily be something else as well.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by the_alias » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:42 pm

Latest reports suggest 6 dead

2 active shooters

Police saying it is likely Terrorist related.

This all from https://twitter.com/Reuters
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by sheddi » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:52 pm

Aikibiker wrote:Video of the shooter.
https://twitter.com/johndeconner/status ... 36?lang=en
Polizei are saying multiple gunmen at multiple sites.
I saw that video but I can't find the location anywhere near the incident scene using Google Streetview. The street furniture seems wrong and that McDonald's doesn't seem to be there. The street scene might have changed but I'm still not convinced that the video is authentic.

There are other Twitter accounts sharing photos from a South African shooting last year and video from a UK counter-terror drill. Not helpful.
the_alias wrote:Latest reports suggest 6 dead
2 active shooters
Police saying it is likely Terrorist related.
This all from https://twitter.com/Reuters
The BBc live feed draws similar conclusions, although they have witness accounts of three shooters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36870986

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Re: Munich shooting

Post by the_alias » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:01 pm

Yup there is plenty of confusion around still.

Some reports say 3 locations of shooting, others only 1 location.
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Re: Munich shooting

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Re: Munich shooting

Post by the_alias » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:12 pm

Someone pointed out it is the anniversary of Brevik's horror massacre... :(
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by sheddi » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:20 pm

sheddi wrote:
Aikibiker wrote:Video of the shooter.
https://twitter.com/johndeconner/status ... 36?lang=en
Polizei are saying multiple gunmen at multiple sites.
I saw that video but I can't find the location anywhere near the incident scene using Google Streetview. The street furniture seems wrong and that McDonald's doesn't seem to be there. The street scene might have changed but I'm still not convinced that the video is authentic.
I take that back, I've found the location. When Google imaged the street the restaurant was under construction and there were hoardings where the McD's sign is now.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@48.18386 ... 56!6m1!1e1

Looks like it's genuine.
the_alias wrote:Someone pointed out it is the anniversary of Brevik's horror massacre... :(
Oh. That opens up a few more options for the shooter's motivation.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by LowKey » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:28 pm

the_alias wrote:I've got friends in Munich and already know people who've died in recent Islamic terrorist acts (Brussels) I hope there aren't more after today...
A German minister is saying "“In Germany we must also expect attacks by small groups of radicalised ‘lone-wolf’ attackers,”" - why? Why must we expect it? Could it be possibly by welcoming 100s of thousands of 'refugees' infected with a belief system that has shown itself to lead to committing acts of extreme violence again and again and again?

People are refusing to accept reality and now they see what Mama Merkel has brought to their homes.


*edit* I do realise it isn't confirmed yet it is Islamic terror but it is the obvious one. It could easily be something else as well.
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Folks on the street here in the middle east are making the same assumption as to whom the perpetrators are.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by sheddi » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:38 pm

DW News (an English-language German news outlet) has a feed here:
http://www.dw.com/en/munich-shooting-li ... a-19421907

They're reporting that the German police are looking for three shooters with long guns. Oddly, the only two pieces of eyewitness footage I've seen so far feature a single shooter with a pistol. This guy:
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The same guy seen in the McDonald''s video above, where he is walking with a limp. He's standing oddly in that photo, too.

There's video of him be abused (in German) by onlookers. I'll see if I can find it again.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by sheddi » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:46 pm

Here (sorry I can't embed it):
https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/statu ... 94/video/1

I've read the transcript goes roughly like this:
Shouter shouting "I'm a German"

Public shouting "You're a wanker"
Does make him sound more like a nationalist than an Islamist.

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There's a full transcript here (warning strong language):
http://pastebin.com/kF84hMfy
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by mzmc » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:53 pm

At the moment, news reports are equally confusing and conflicting in Germany as well.

I'm currently on the Rheinwiesenkirmes in Düsseldorf, which is one of the largest funfair/carnival in Europe. Everyone assumed that if one event was going to be a target, it would be this one.

Well, let's just say the number of MP5s has just about tripled here in the last two hours. Still, my biggest concern currently is that they charge you 70 cents to use the bathroom.

Oh well, well see where this whole thing leads. No use speculating until we have all the facts.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by the_alias » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:02 pm

Germany charging people to pee was something I never got even after years of living there...

Going to be a long night in Munich...my thoughts go out to those affected.

Low key - unfortunately a side effect of problems today mean violence has become more likely from extremists on both ends of the spectrum.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by Stercutus » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:16 pm

They are now saying the shooters 2-3? may have escaped.

Nothing moving in Munich. All public transportation and highways are shut down.

If this is ultra-nationalists than you have to wonder about their goals. Other reports stated that one of the shooters did not speak German well and was speaking in broken German. The safe money is on Islamists but you never know until you do.




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Re: Munich shooting

Post by Shiloh » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:19 pm

It may not be the most reliable source of news in the world, but here's the reddit live thread if anyone's interested:

https://www.reddit.com/live/xatg2056flbi

Just bear in mind it's all user-submitted news/resources so take everything with a dump-truck's worth of salt.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by LowKey » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:20 pm

the_alias wrote:Germany charging people to pee was something I never got even after years of living there...

Going to be a long night in Munich...my thoughts go out to those affected.

Low key - unfortunately a side effect of problems today mean violence has become more likely from extremists on both ends of the spectrum.
True, but the current odds as to which end of the spectrum is supplying those extremists is weighted more heavily towards one group. <shrug> Wishful thinking and an idealistic world view don't change that. I really Wish they could.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by dogbane » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:29 pm

Munich-based newspaper for local coverage: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by Stercutus » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:50 pm

They were showing some National Police SWAT equivalent storming a building a moment ago. They had the look of people getting ready to put an end to this craziness.

I have been struck by the apparent lack of long guns by the Polizei. Pistols are convenient to carry and all but they absolutely are the wrong gun to be in a gun fight with.
A German minister is saying "“In Germany we must also expect attacks by small groups of radicalized ‘lone-wolf’ attackers,
That was actually yesterday....

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Re: Munich shooting

Post by MacWa77ace » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:57 pm

sheddi wrote:DW News (an English-language German news outlet) has a feed here:
http://www.dw.com/en/munich-shooting-li ... a-19421907

They're reporting that the German police are looking for three shooters with long guns. Oddly, the only two pieces of eyewitness footage I've seen so far feature a single shooter with a pistol. This guy:
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The same guy seen in the McDonald''s video above, where he is walking with a limp. He's standing oddly in that photo, too.

There's video of him be abused (in German) by onlookers. I'll see if I can find it again.
If you count the shots there are 17 shot without a reload interval and then a 18th after an interval long enough for a mag change. The mag in the handgun doesn't look like an extended cap mag. So he's using a fiveSeven or it was more than one guy?!?
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by sheddi » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:02 pm

Munich police reporting eight dead, with the possibility that one (of the eight, or a ninth, not clear from their tweets) is a/the shooter.

https://twitter.com/PolizeiMuenchen/sta ... 0465409024
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by quazi » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:07 pm

MacWa77ace wrote:If you count the shots there are 17 shot without a reload interval and then a 18th after an interval long enough for a mag change. The mag in the handgun doesn't look like an extended cap mag. So he's using a fiveSeven or it was more than one guy?!?
Sig, Canik, CZ and probably a number of other companies make 9mm handguns with a standard capacity of 18+1 or 19+1.

Edit: Some how I spaced that it was 18 total. That means it could have been something with a capacity of 17+1 (Glock 9mm, probably others).

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Post by Stercutus » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:57 pm

Now saying the gunman shot himself and strong implications that it was an ultra-nationalist.
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Re: Munich shooting

Post by the_alias » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:49 pm

http://pastebin.com/kF84hMfy

If this is accurate the reported dialogue is very open to interpretation and doesn't tell us too much...
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