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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by wee drop o' bush » Fri May 02, 2014 2:06 pm

Seeing reports of deaths in Odessa on the BBC news
Dozens killed in Odessa clashes
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At least 38 people have been killed in a fire in an official building amid clashes in Odessa, in south west Ukraine, local police say.

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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by mr_slappy75 » Fri May 02, 2014 2:47 pm

TacAir wrote:It seems this has moved from a war of words (agitprop propaganda) to a real shooting conflict with people dying - all from the desire of a small group of people to reclaim something lost to history.

I can only hope Mr. Putin realizes that letting fools play with matches can get him burned....
One could only hope, but the problem with megalomaniacs is that they tend to be utterly sure of their infallibility, damn the consequences and the tens, hundreds or millions of lives their self-aggrandizing ambition is going to ruin.

The longer term problem is that even if Vlad gets taken out of the picture, his cronies on both sides of the border will probably bicker, cajole and profiteer for all they are worth.

The FIL went and checked out the 'reward site' my wife texted him, he said it was a very polite, institutional way of stating "please disarm and bring these bastards in for money".

The Ukie community here in Chicagoland has been on pins and needles for the last few months and whenever we've gone to the credit union, or church there are always whispered questions about the well being of family back in the old country. It is very somber.

Get 2 or more of the men together, mention the current situation 'back home' and you will be taking a speed course in Ukrainian history and profanity...not necessarily in that order.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Fri May 02, 2014 3:23 pm

Today's events in Ukraine have been notable enough for me to put up with my badly-broken Windows and come here to post about it. (I'm fixing it this weekend if I can find my re-install CDs...)

1. The Ukrainian military have finally made a real effort at containing and re-taking Slavyansk. Several pro-Russian roadblocks were over-run and Ukrainian troops pressed to within 5km / 3 miles of Slavyansk itself. It seems two Ukrainian helicopters were shot down, with at least one SAM being launched at them. Ukrainian forces saw 2-3 fatalities, casualties on the pro-Russian side are currently undeclared. In the last hour or so reports have come in of a pro-Russian counterattack on a group of Ukrainian paratroopers "near the village of Andreivka outside Slavyansk" that has left two paras dead (again, pro-Russian casualties, if any, remain unknown).

2. A pro-Ukraine rally in Odessa - the central South, on the Black Sea, west of Crimea - was attacked by pro-Russians. The pro-Ukrainians didn't take this lying down and in a series of running battles saw off the pro-Russians, destroying their tented encampments and burning them out of the occupied Trade Union building. Reports are still confused but most agree that a handful of pro-Ukrainians were killed during the street battles and somewhere north of thirty pro-Russians were killed in the burning Trade Union building. Unconfirmed reports are that 10 Russians and 15 Transnistrians were among the dead from the fire.

Russia called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council in response. Russia got short shrift from the other UNSC members, with essentially no support and several statements in support of the Kyiv government.

There's a strong feeling among commentators that if Russia's going to invade they're going to have to do it in the next 48-72 hours since it seems quite likely that Kyiv will have regained control of the majority of the currently-restive territories by then.

I'll post some links shortly.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Fri May 02, 2014 4:00 pm

Kyiv Post live blog:
31 dead in clashes in Odessa; four Ukrainian soldiers, one insurgent killed in Sloviansk (LIVE UPDATES)
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine ... 45925.html

Slavyansk links:

First helicopter shot down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5MaF2KkjQ
SAM launch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwRqMnIKOKc
Pro-Russian locals try to obstruct Ukrainian army from advancing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6QT6y2eNwU

Ukraine sends troops to eastern city
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -city.html
Pro-Russian rebels shot down two Ukrainian helicopters near separatist-held Slaviansk on Friday, killing two crew members, while Moscow accused Kiev of wrecking hopes of peace by launching a "criminal" assault to retake the eastern town.

Separatists said Ukrainian forces killed three of their fighters and two civilians when they moved in on Slaviansk in the early hours, but that the troops had only taken five checkpoints from the rebels.

On the other side of Ukraine, police said a man was shot dead in clashes between a crowd backing Kiev and pro-Russian activists in the largely Russian-speaking southern port of Odessa, which lies west of Crimea, annexed by Moscow in March.

President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said Kiev had fired on civilians from the air in a "punitive operation" in Slaviansk that destroyed an international peace plan. Moscow has tens of thousands of troops massed on the border and claims the right to invade if needed to protect Russian speakers.

The Western-backed government in Kiev said the use of missiles that brought down its helicopters was evidence that Russian forces were in the town. Moscow denies that its troops are on the ground.
There are second-hand reports on Twitter (attributed to the "mayor") of 20 pro-Russians dead, 20 more seriously injured. Treat this as a wet-finger estimate for now.

Odessa links:

Violence breaks out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-FKQgA7zbQ
Pro-Russians break police cordon, surge through then fall back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivho089I9oc
Pro-Ukrainians gain upper hand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8JG0-hIVIE
Trade Union building burns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BEpOT6_nOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO-KIcw06KY

Ukraine crisis: Dozens killed in Odessa fire amid clashes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27259620
At least 31 people have been killed in a fire in an official building amid violence in Odessa in south-west Ukraine, the interior ministry says. The deaths came as pro-Russian protesters clashed with Ukrainian government supporters in the city. Officials said some people were overwhelmed by smoke and others died after they jumped from the building.

The fire broke out in Odessa's Trade Unions House, the regional office of Ukraine's interior ministry said. It did not give details of how the blaze started. The exact sequence of events is still unclear, but reports suggest the separatists had barricaded themselves inside the building and both sides were throwing petrol bombs.

The interior ministry gave a toll of at least 31 dead, revising down an earlier tally of 38 killed.

Earlier, four people were killed in clashes between the pro-Russian and pro-Kiev protesters in the city - the first such eruption of violence in the south after weeks of mounting unrest in Ukraine's east. It followed a rally by Ukrainian football fans, reports say. The BBC's David Stern in Kiev says the death toll in Odessa is the highest since violence broke out between pro-EU protesters and police in the capital in February.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by aikorob » Fri May 02, 2014 7:23 pm

Another from Odessa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw

0:23 Pro Ukraine rushes the russian camp
1:32 Russians fire into crowd from rooftop

Mrs. talked to her family---says more russians have died of injuries
family also reports that a shopping mall was attacked and hostages taken.
According to them, police had to keep the Ukrainian people from storming the building themselves while the police tried to negotiate with the russians inside

Sheddi---family confirms that the dead are being reported as russian and transdnistrian
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by veamon » Fri May 02, 2014 7:54 pm

Anyone think this will escalate to the point the US does something, and brings itself into another war?

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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by Rev » Fri May 02, 2014 8:58 pm

veamon wrote:Anyone think this will escalate to the point the US does something, and brings itself into another war?
I'm more interested in the EU nations actually mustering up the gumption to do anything concrete. It is quite literally their backyard.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Sat May 03, 2014 5:38 am

veamon wrote:Anyone think this will escalate to the point the US does something, and brings itself into another war?
I don't see the US getting involved beyond supplying materiel unless the Russians violate the territory of a NATO nation and someone invokes Article 5.
Rev wrote:I'm more interested in the EU nations actually mustering up the gumption to do anything concrete. It is quite literally their backyard.
My best guess is that Ukraine's near neighbours - most likely Poland, possibly also Romania - could offer a peacekeeping and monitoring force once the Ukrainian army has done any necessary fighting. I don't see any interest whatsoever in Europe for fighting to preserve a nation where the local forces aren't prepared to fight for themselves.

In this light, I see yesterday's civil violence in Odessa as an encouraging sign; the pro-Ukrainians are supposedly a significant majority but so far have remained passive, despite provocation and attacks from the pro-Russians. In the absence of clear popular support, the Ukrainian government's operations have been hindered by the vocal pro-Russian minority. If the pro-Ukrainians can demonstrate willing to fight against the pro-Russians for their nation's integrity it's a very positive step.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Sat May 03, 2014 6:42 am

Yesterday's Odessa fatalities now quoted as 46, 88 hospitalised, with 144 arrested.
Good blog from an English-speaker on the scene:
http://www.odessatalk.com/2014/05/odessa-morning/

Video of non-partisan rescue efforts at Trade Union building yesterday:
http://bambuser.com/v/4585457

The Ukrainian government reports that their operation towards Slavyansk continues. In one promising sign the pro-Russian forces in Slavyansk have released the 12 OSCE observers that they have been holding all week.

Armed men clear a pro-Russian checkpoint near Krasnoarmeisk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjESonrlMzA

Ukrainian forces enter Kramatorsk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNObM7F9VEA
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by aikorob » Sat May 03, 2014 8:31 am

sheddi wrote: In this light, I see yesterday's civil violence in Odessa as an encouraging sign; the pro-Ukrainians are supposedly a significant majority but so far have remained passive, despite provocation and attacks from the pro-Russians. In the absence of clear popular support, the Ukrainian government's operations have been hindered by the vocal pro-Russian minority. If the pro-Ukrainians can demonstrate willing to fight against the pro-Russians for their nation's integrity it's a very positive step.
All of the family and friends that Mrs. talks to are highly PO'd at the current government, and the inaction of the security forces
They want weapons in order to defend themselves against the seperatists
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Sat May 03, 2014 9:02 am

Here's a few snippets from the Kyiv Post:
Fifteen Russians and 5 Transnistria citizens died in Odesa fire

On May 2, 15 Russian citizens and five citizens of breakaway Transnistria region died in the Trade Unions House in Odesa on May 2, TSN television channel reports. They were poisoned by carbon monoxide, according to the report. A total of 31 people perished in the fire in the Trade Unions House after pro-Ukrainian supporters clashed and Russia-backed separatists in the southern Ukrainian city of Odesa. – Olena Goncharova
Seven alleged Russian mercenaries armed to teeth spotted in Kramatorsk

2:33 p.m. – A Kyiv Post reporter in Kramatorsk sees at least seven armed men claiming to be “Russian kozaks” armed with automatic rifles, rocket propelled grenade launchers slung around their shoulders in full combat gear in the center of Kramatorsk. They have “identical uniforms, brand new weapons and Saint George ribbons” strewn on their fatigues.

Nearby four vehicles are burning: two trolleybuses, one van and a Russian Lada automobile. – Mark Rachkevych
UNIAN: Ukrainian National Guard frees SBU building in Kramatorsk

3:05 p.m. – UNIAN news agency reports that Ukrainian National Guardsmen freed the Kramatorsk Security Service (SBU) building in Kramatorsk of Kremlin-backed rebels. Ukrainian forces also cleared all illegal roadblocks leading into the city, took control of the airport and the local television tower. – Mark Rachkevych
Police: Majority of detained in Odesa are Russians, residents of Transnistria

4:20 p.m. – More than half of the 172 people who were detained in Odesa on May 2 during clashes between pro-Ukrainians and Russian separatists were either from Russia or the breakaway region of Transnistria in Moldova where many ethnic Russians live, UNIAN reports citing the Interior Ministry. – Mark Rachkevyvch
I think the time stamps are Kyiv time, UTC +3.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by boomas » Sat May 03, 2014 9:43 am

For more info I can recommend these sites:
http://ukraine.popo.lt/ - it is in Lithuanian, but they also trying to translate news to English.
In Facebook you can check this profile Dmitry Tymchuk. For me it is the best source for Ukraine news. There are posts in russian, but also in English.
About Ukraine neighbors.
NATO opens 2nd airbase for Baltic Air Police mission in Estonia.
USA send troops to Lithuania and Estonia for "continues training"
http://www.army.mil/article/124808/173r ... Lithuania/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQhrIcZFa6A
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... nd-baltics
Local forces (army, police etc.) in Baltic states are doing non stop drills simulating on how to repel attacks of the "people in green".
It is expected that on May 9th (Victory Day for soviet union) will be provocations in Baltic states.

On question - is it the start of WW3? - I will try to translate and share some articles, which makes me think it is very close to this.

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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by wee drop o' bush » Sat May 03, 2014 9:55 am

There are certain places in the world which seem to be staring into the abyss at the moment. Let's hope cool heads and dialogue prevails :|
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Post by boomas » Sat May 03, 2014 10:22 am

I understood from various Ukraine sites, it started like this.
Odessa soccer clubs ultras organised a march to show Odessa's support to the unity of Ukraine. The pro-russians tried to oppose the march with their own. Soon stones and fireworks were flying from both sides for like 30 minutes. After some time pro-ukraine forces flanked pro-russians and suddenly there were no police forces between them anymore. At that moment pro-russians opened fire from firearms and pro-ukraine started to fall back with pro-russians in pursuit. Lots of casualties are from here. Despite all this shooting more and more people showed up on the pro-ukraine side and they were able to repel and surround pro-russians. Some of the pro-russians were able to run with a police help, some were beaten and some ran to the Trade Unions House with pro-ukraine supporters in pursuit.
At the Trade Unions House pro-ukraine first burned separatist tent city - with separatists barricaded inside the building. Then the shooting from the roof top started at the same time the building was set on fire. No police or fire department on the scene. After fire became more and more intense, people started to jump from 4th building floor to the ground. Pro-ukraine tried to help them but with not much of success.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBofgPq1EUs - fight between pro-ukraine and pro-russians at the begining. Pro-russians are behind police. At 5:41 you can see fat , half naked guy shooting AKfrom police cover.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrgguXXB6vY - the same situation as above, but from different perspective. The same guy with AK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw video from Trade Unions House assault. At 2:00 I can see that the fire was started from inside and by pro-ukraine molotov coctail.

Full story from pro-ukraine side in English is here http://ukraine.popo.lt/2014/05/03/blood ... nec-story/

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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Sat May 03, 2014 10:40 am

Graphic video from Odessa's Trade Union building here. Shaky camerawork and not the best of vantage points but it seems to show the critical 25 minutes from the burning of the tent city to the conflagration inside the building, including the rescue of several of those who had jumped and survived.

Viewer discretion advised, particularly after the 18 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXm9nnY-AQ
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Post by boomas » Sat May 03, 2014 2:56 pm

Just two more photos, which show that Odessa police did nothing to stop the shooting:
https://news.pn/photo/cca0fa76668c35c7e ... 5x475.jpeg
https://news.pn/photo/676c9ba91e005cb12 ... 3x359.jpeg

Informative article in russian only, but it is full of photos, which can show you how event unfolded http://napaki.livejournal.com/100072.html
If you don't know "who is who" - it's simple. People in mask\military uniforms - pro-russians.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/napaki/1 ... iginal.jpg

It my sound strange\cruel and I mean no disrespect to all the victims, but I am happy how events went in Odessa:
1. Majority people of Odessa stood up for their city and their country. It is counted that proportions were like 1:4 for pr-russian vs pro-ukraine.
2. People of Odessa were not afraid of force used again them (guns and pro-russian police) and were ready to answer to it.
3. People of Odessa did not went completely mad and after overwhelming pro-russians did not kill them all, but helped them to escape burning building. Also provided medical assistance to whose, who surrendered. Others, who tried to escape from captivity or there found with any kinds of weapons (like in the last two photos of the article), were not so fortunate.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Sat May 03, 2014 3:17 pm

Reports suggest that something is kicking off in Mariupol, a city on the Azov Sea roughly 100km south of Donetsk.

Two angles on what seems to be the same burning tyres:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Oty13xRCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k9X4cM9Uao

See also http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rnn2 (this is the likely source of the two YouTube clips posted above)

It's by no means clear from those videos who's shooting at who, but the Twitterverse seems to think that Ukrainian forces are undertaking some sort of operation.

Also, here's an interesting analysis from Haaretz:

Putin got just the war he asked for
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.588823
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The direct Russian intervention which led Saturday to the release of the captured OSCE observers in Slaviansk and the urgent phone call between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his American counterpart Secretary of State John Kerry in which the Russian urged that Washington use its influence on the Kiev government to stop its military operation against the separatists, reflect a loss of Kremlin control on events in eastern Ukraine.

For once at least, the statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman can be taken at value when Dmitry Peskov said Saturday that Russia has "essentially lost influence over these people." Especially since for the first time the statement included the implicit admission that Russia had influence on them to begin with. Russia has been accusing Kiev for over a week that it is provoking "civil war" and this weekend, with the fire in Odessa, gunfights in Slaviansk and Kramatorsk which added dozens of casualties to the growing death-toll and the shooting-down of two Ukrainian attack helicopters, a civil war is exactly what they got.
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While this obviously ignores Russia's contribution to the breakdown in law and order, it's clear that Putin now believes there is little chance of a more Moscow-friendly president emerging from these elections. He would therefore prefer to undermine the polls' legitimacy even before they open, and if possible, prevent them in advance.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by boomas » Sat May 03, 2014 3:32 pm

sheddi wrote:Reports suggest that something is kicking off in Mariupol, a city on the Azov Sea roughly 100km south of Donetsk.

Two angles on what seems to be the same burning tyres:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Oty13xRCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k9X4cM9Uao

It's by no means clear from those videos who's shooting at who, but the Twitterverse seems to think that Ukrainian forces are undertaking some sort of operation.
Can't find anything on Mariupol, but:
1. Kostiantynivkoje (Donbas region) TV tower is being stormed. Rocket launch "devices" are being used (not sure what that is).
2. Military installation No.3035 in Luhansk is being stormed again.
So it seems tonight is gonna be full of action.

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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by boomas » Sat May 03, 2014 3:33 pm

One more internet source http://inforesist.org/?lang=en

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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by boomas » Sat May 03, 2014 3:41 pm

And apparently "fat half naked man in mask" who was shooting from police cover to pro-ukraine forces in Odessa is already identified http://inforesist.org/ustanovlena-lichn ... i-milicii/. It is in russian, but they wrote his full name, phone number and put his photo without the mask. It seems he shot (like killed) at least two people.

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Post by boomas » Sat May 03, 2014 4:18 pm

sheddi wrote:Graphic video from Odessa's Trade Union building here. Shaky camerawork and not the best of vantage points but it seems to show the critical 25 minutes from the burning of the tent city to the conflagration inside the building, including the rescue of several of those who had jumped and survived.

Viewer discretion advised, particularly after the 18 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXm9nnY-AQ
I've just watched all this video. Knowing the context of all the events I could not find any sympathy for the victims. Not a bit. Not so long ago, they were shooting from the rooftop and throwing Molotov cocktails and next minute they are forced to jump down. Tough luck. Pro-ukraine side, on the other hand, were picking them up and rushing to the ambulances.

From the russia side, this video is pure propaganda bomb. Live people burning inside, jumping down, dying - you could have not asked for better reasons, to "enter and protect russians". Especially because majority of pro-russia side in police custody seems to be the citizens of russia.

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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by sheddi » Sat May 03, 2014 4:30 pm

I've found a good Ukrainian public webcam site. ("Good" as in it has lots of webcams, not that anything seems to be happening on them.)

Here's the page for Mariupol:
http://webcam.guru.ua/city/Mariupol/301/
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by Neptune Glory » Sat May 03, 2014 4:38 pm

boomas wrote: On question - is it the start of WW3? - I will try to translate and share some articles, which makes me think it is very close to this.
I found myself wondering that earlier today.

Hopefully the answer is no. If all of this is designed to derail elections in the Ukraine, rather than to begin a true invasion and takeover of the country, then I don't think this is the start of World War 3.

Nazi Germany invaded and annexed both Austria and Czechoslovakia before World War 2 was declared. It was the invasion of a third country, Poland, that caused World War 2 to be declared.

At present, Russia has only invaded and annexed the state of Crimea, which was a small but -- obviously -- significant part of the larger country of Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine unrest

Post by LowKey » Sat May 03, 2014 7:24 pm

Neptune Glory wrote:
boomas wrote: On question - is it the start of WW3? - I will try to translate and share some articles, which makes me think it is very close to this.
I found myself wondering that earlier today.

Hopefully the answer is no. If all of this is designed to derail elections in the Ukraine, rather than to begin a true invasion and takeover of the country, then I don't think this is the start of World War 3.

Nazi Germany invaded and annexed both Austria and Czechoslovakia before World War 2 was declared. It was the invasion of a third country, Poland, that caused World War 2 to be declared.

At present, Russia has only invaded and annexed the state of Crimea, which was a small but -- obviously -- significant part of the larger country of Ukraine.
Right. So far Georgia and Crimea.
Two down, one to go?
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