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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by manacheck » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:41 am

Ultra1974 wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:22 am
Of course, Walmart is still open and I am seeing on social media friends that typically do not go to Walmart often posting pictures inside there. I feel this may be due to the social nature of most humans. If they cannot socialize in their normal places they will go wherever it is allowed.

....

Can someone please explain to me how shutting down restaurants that have an average of about 1,000 square feet space that can hold about 40 people is more effective than funneling everyone into Walmart that has 100,000 square and has thousands of people pass through it every day touching shelves and product and possibly leaving the virus where it has proven it can survive for up to days?
If people are only allowed to go to a few certain places it stands to reason more people will go there.
Those are a great observations. And it's clearly a problem right now. Same thing with stores that keep the toilet paper in the very back of the store, knowing customers must go ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK to pick any up, contaminating any surfaces through the whole store, rather than being able to pick it up from a pallet outide with a ticket, or at least from the very front of the store near the registers.

It would be more comfortable for customers, I think, if grocery stores at least could use the tickets from their deli counters, and simply repurpose them so that customers can drive into the parking lot, accept a ticket while still in their vehicle (perhaps placed on their windshield wiper), be assigned to a designated parking space/area related to the ticket number order, and then be allowed to remain in their car until it's their turn to shop (or their turn to provide an order of what they want to buy to the staff.) If the lot becomes full due to a long line or great demand, then customers looking to shop can take a drive and come back a little later rather than being subjected to an hour long wait in the store crammed together with other tense people.

The long lines with this situation are unavoidable until individual stores themselves organize a simple-to-follow alternative, since people are there to buy essentials, not to try and get sick.

(Though this way if anyone IS coming to socialize, rather than for essential purchases, if they won't be rewarded with physical socializing or capturing videos to put on youtube, it might reduce coming back unnecessarily for the short term until the emergency is calmed down somewhat.)

I'd also like to see- though it's less simple and requires bandwidth and a camera or maybe a drone if you want to be super cool- essential stores like the the local grocery, just putting a daily video walkthrough of their shelves and the merchandise that is in stock on them directly onto their websites for the use of customers. I don't want to shop anyways if I can help it, but if I DO need to go get something, and I could use that tool to avoid going to the store by knowing for sure in advance whether it's in stock or maybe not so much, it'd be pretty helpful. Calling and asking an employee is a drain on resources and they usually do not know because the call center is manned by stockers.

Seeing grocery store interiors without having to go in is cathartic in its own way all on its own anyhow. We've been seeing plenty of empty shelf porn the last few weeks, but what about what shelves AREN'T empty. That'd be way more helpful to individuals.


**edited for a mispelling. "Daily" is not spelled with an F :crazy:
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by BullOnParade » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:42 am

woodsghost wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:38 am
BullOnParade wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:33 am
I went somewhere last night after work, too ashamed to say where, or for what ... But the store limit was 10, and the line up was over an hour long, everyone 6-8 feet apart.
It's alright. You can say "condoms" on this forum. ;)

Seriously, I expect a bump in births in 8-10 months.
Ha, my wife's pregnant. Condoms are the least of my concern.

But in 13 years you can call those kids quaran-teens :awesome:
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by flybynight » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:58 am

woodsghost wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:38 am
BullOnParade wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:33 am
I went somewhere last night after work, too ashamed to say where, or for what ... But the store limit was 10, and the line up was over an hour long, everyone 6-8 feet apart.
It's alright. You can say "condoms" on this forum. ;)

Seriously, I expect a bump in births in 8-10 months.
Really? :shock: There's a limit on condoms? These are indeed HARD times :wink:
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by majorhavoc » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:01 am

flybynight wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:58 am
woodsghost wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:38 am
BullOnParade wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:33 am
I went somewhere last night after work, too ashamed to say where, or for what ... But the store limit was 10, and the line up was over an hour long, everyone 6-8 feet apart.
It's alright. You can say "condoms" on this forum. ;)

Seriously, I expect a bump in births in 8-10 months.
Really? :shock: There's a limit on condoms? These are indeed HARD times :wink:
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by moab » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:27 am

manacheck wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:41 am
Ultra1974 wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:22 am
Of course, Walmart is still open and I am seeing on social media friends that typically do not go to Walmart often posting pictures inside there. I feel this may be due to the social nature of most humans. If they cannot socialize in their normal places they will go wherever it is allowed.

....

Can someone please explain to me how shutting down restaurants that have an average of about 1,000 square feet space that can hold about 40 people is more effective than funneling everyone into Walmart that has 100,000 square and has thousands of people pass through it every day touching shelves and product and possibly leaving the virus where it has proven it can survive for up to days?
If people are only allowed to go to a few certain places it stands to reason more people will go there.
Those are a great observations. And it's clearly a problem right now. Same thing with stores that keep the toilet paper in the very back of the store, knowing customers must go ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK to pick any up, contaminating any surfaces through the whole store, rather than being able to pick it up from a pallet outide with a ticket, or at least from the very front of the store near the registers.

It would be more comfortable for customers, I think, if grocery stores at least could use the tickets from their deli counters, and simply repurpose them so that customers can drive into the parking lot, accept a ticket while still in their vehicle (perhaps placed on their windshield wiper), be assigned to a designated parking space/area related to the ticket number order, and then be allowed to remain in their car until it's their turn to shop (or their turn to provide an order of what they want to buy to the staff.) If the lot becomes full due to a long line or great demand, then customers looking to shop can take a drive and come back a little later rather than being subjected to an hour long wait in the store crammed together with other tense people.

The long lines with this situation are unavoidable until individual stores themselves organize a simple-to-follow alternative, since people are there to buy essentials, not to try and get sick.

(Though this way if anyone IS coming to socialize, rather than for essential purchases, if they won't be rewarded with physical socializing or capturing videos to put on youtube, it might reduce coming back unnecessarily for the short term until the emergency is calmed down somewhat.)

I'd also like to see- though it's less simple and requires bandwidth and a camera or maybe a drone if you want to be super cool- essential stores like the the local grocery, just putting a daily video walkthrough of their shelves and the merchandise that is in stock on them directly onto their websites for the use of customers. I don't want to shop anyways if I can help it, but if I DO need to go get something, and I could use that tool to avoid going to the store by knowing for sure in advance whether it's in stock or maybe not so much, it'd be pretty helpful. Calling and asking an employee is a drain on resources and they usually do not know because the call center is manned by stockers.

Seeing grocery store interiors without having to go in is cathartic in its own way all on its own anyhow. We've been seeing plenty of empty shelf porn the last few weeks, but what about what shelves AREN'T empty. That'd be way more helpful to individuals.


**edited for a mispelling. "Daily" is not spelled with an F :crazy:
The problem is there aren't pallets of goods available. Simply easier to let customers in to buy the few rationed items that come on the shelves each morning. They are generally gone by mid day.
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by ShaneofReading » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:01 am

Good Day everyone.

What opinions do you have about Countries blocking food exports...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/marke ... r-BB11EY3M

and Negative Interest Rates...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/negativ ... ative.html
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by manacheck » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:18 am

moab wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:27 am
The problem is there aren't pallets of goods available. Simply easier to let customers in to buy the few rationed items that come on the shelves each morning. They are generally gone by mid day.
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Are you saying that because the quantity of goods coming in are not sufficient to be numbered in pallets, or are you saying that because some deliveries to some stores do not arrive using a pallet system?

I'll assume you mean the first: that because of reduced number of goods coming in, there are not sufficient goods being stocked to fill the surge of demand. (If it's the second thing, that's not a significant issue to problem-solve, at least inside. Dedicating the seasonal display shelves to the targeted items could be just one solution, and not by far the only one. My job is not to problem solve that.)

I don't agree that it's easier. I only agree that it's what's happening. There's zero need to instruct employees to put high-demand items in the very BACK of the store in this circumstance. It doesn't matter if that's where it normally goes. This is not a normal time period right now. Hours, jobs, ability to travel, products themselves, are all in a not normal way right now. It's simply not good management when it comes to reducing spread. Why could the setup NOT be modified to meet with the challenge?

The fact that the product be gone midday makes it more stupid, not less stupid.

The time and effort expended to nicely put hotcake items on the shelves and front them is not nearly as cost-effective as it is for products that are going to stay there for days or weeks. Got hotcake items? Stick 'em in a cart and wheel 'em up to the register with a sign on 'em. Saves hours of stocking and physical contact. When one cart is empty, wheel up a new one from the back. Bam, empty? Fine, then you're done. Done with workers being asked "What aisle is it in" and "Can you check for me, it's back that way but I couldn't see it for sure" or "Why don't you have it?": instead it'd be "All of that product is right here in the front. If it's empty, it's empty until we get new stock in." Even a sign could help reduce a lot of that. "NEED TP? ALL TP HERE."

What's next, employees told to hide in-demand product in weird spots around the store, and making it the COVID-version of an easter egg hunt?

A few days ago I saw a Costco video of people lined up waiting for the store to open. The second it did, some customers literally ran with their carts all the way to the back of the store to snag the TP that'd come in and had just been replenished.

There's no good reason for it except for increasing the number of aisles people go through. How to respond to it is a tough one. Under normal conditions, this IS what stores want. The longer people are in a store, the more aisles they have to go through, the more they're likely to buy. But if it is still what stores want, while we're under pandemic conditions, where our economy is being shut down and people are losing their jobs because of bad choices by people- on top of the original natural disaster we're seeing? That's a question to be factored in. From my perspective, a lot of this could be streamlined with just a few directions and maybe having some aisles put into one-way-only. It's not like people don't want to follow the instructions.

(Unless maybe if they're a 20-something with authority issues wanting to party on spring break. Then whatever)
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by max v » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:18 pm

Prince Charles from the UK tested positive for covid19.

This from Joe Rogan's latest show: one of his doctor friends texted him that blood type appears to be a factor due to level of antibodies. Apparently type A is worst and type O is best. Just passing this along but as always treat with caution.

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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by Ultra1974 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:00 pm

max v wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:18 pm
This from Joe Rogan's latest show: one of his doctor friends texted him that blood type appears to be a factor due to level of antibodies. Apparently type A is worst and type O is best. Just passing this along but as always treat with caution.
Mosquitos (that carry disease) turn my body into a Slurpee machine because I am type O. I guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Right now though it feels good to be type O then.

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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by BullOnParade » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:39 pm

My main motivation to avoid the virus is the test. I have zero interest in "vigorous nasal rodgering". I literally saw one news clip of someone getting a test, said nope, and beefed up my preps through the following week.

I took a moment to laugh when the CDC podcast reported that Trump had been tested. Was disappointed when Trudeau decided to opt for self isolation instead of a test, though I don't fault him.
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by Stercutus » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:00 pm

Also, I've never seen a restaurant with 1,000 sq ft of dining space and seating for only 40 customers.
Guess you have never been to a Waffle House, Steak Out or Subway before. Actually lots of hole in the wall places that size.

Speaking of Waffle House the WHI took a huge jump with the CLOSURE (not transfer to carryout only) of 365 locations nationwide. The WHI is an indicator of normalcy during a disaster.


https://www.al.com/news/2020/03/coronav ... index.html
and Negative Interest Rates...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/negativ ... ative.html
Looks like countries can now safe haven themselves out of debt. If I were a central bank manager I'd be all over it. Of course I would likely get fired. There is a better thread for discussion of economic issues.
What opinions do you have about Countries blocking food exports...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/marke ... r-BB11EY3M
At the end of the day all countries are ultra-nationalistic no matter what line of BS their leaders tout. Those countries that never played nice with anyone and don't have much to offer the world (NK looking your way) are going to starve.
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by Stercutus » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:17 pm

Sure thing. This sums up some of what I was saying:

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main ... key=228250
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by FlashDaddy » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:43 pm

Locals don't want possibly infected visitors traveling from elsewheres, so National Park Service is closing national parks. So far, its Yellowstone, Grand Teton and Smokey Mountains. So much for bugging out to the wilderness, ack!

I laid down some quotes below but even more info at this linky poo:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/c ... closed.htm

With tens of millions of Americans under orders to stay at home or practice social distancing, scores have been converging on places like Yellowstone, Grand Teton and the Great Smoky Mountains to escape the specter of the coronavirus — until now.

On Tuesday, the National Park Service announced that all three national parks would be closed immediately to prevent the spread of the virus, citing concerns about crowding and requests from local public health authorities. Even the governor of Montana had pressed for the closing of Yellowstone.

At the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, which straddles the border of Tennessee and North Carolina and was the busiest national park last year, officials reported a surge in visitors during the past week...

“Visitors from across the country have flocked to the area due to spring break, wildflowers and warm weather conditions,” the park said in an announcement.

The closing at Great Smoky Mountains National Park, which the park service said welcomed 12.5 million visitors in 2019, is in effect through April 6.Yellowstone and Grand Teton, the sixth and the eighth most visited national parks last year with 7.4 million visitors between them, announced that they were closed until further notice. Park officials said county health officials in Wyoming and Montana had requested the closings...“Visitors are not only concentrating in the parks themselves but are also straining local grocery and other facilities at a time when local officials are attempting to curtail gatherings and meet the need for essential services,”
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by raptor » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:25 pm

NYC is publishing some good data:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/904645/n ... s-under-45
Another common trend -- 95% of people who have died so far had an underlying health condition
Also 75% of the deaths were in people age 65 & older.

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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by sheddi » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:04 pm

According to their latest infographic, cases in Italy seem to have plateaued. Which is to say, they're still getting around 5000 new confirmed cases a day but it's been that same number for the past 3-4 days, rather than increasing by ~30% a day as it was before. Deaths seem to have also levelled out at 650-700 a day.

Italy started restricting movements and closing businesses 12-14 days ago, so it looks as though it took at least ten days to reach their peak (in terms of daily cases/deaths) and it hasn't really started dropping yet.

This page at the Financial Times (of all places) has some good charts comparing nations and regions. I guess numbers are numbers; if you have journalists who can analyse company accounts, they can also analyse epidemiological data.
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by airballrad » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:19 pm

Vicarious_Lee wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:22 pm
Ah Zombie Squad. It's good to be back home! :awesome:
I'll second that, although a bit less facetiously (Sorry, V_Lee)

How has everybody been? Long time, no post (although I have been lurking in this excellent thread for a couple weeks).

Things here in Sarasota (North of Fort Meyers, South of Tampa) have been a little crazy, but not too bad. People have been pretty terrible at proper distancing or just staying the hell home, but at least they closed the beaches to keep the spring break refugees from Miami away. Stores are short on some in-demand items, but what kind of ZS member would I be if I did not keep extra stuff around the house?

When we moved to Florida a few years back I landed a job that is full-time work from home, so that is no change for me. The kids are all home from school, so it's a bit noisier than usual. They're growing to be angsty adolescents, so that has helped a bit. Other than the once-a-week grocery run and taking perishables to my elderly in-laws up the road, not much exciting happening. Hoping to keep it that way.

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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by NT2C » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:25 am

Vicarious_Lee wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:36 pm
norcalprep wrote:
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Vicarious_Lee wrote:
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I'm officially handing this to ZS:

Also yet another pretty damn important piece of the "China lied, people died" puzzle is that pretty much all of the COVID testing is throwing so many false negatives that it's worsening the spread of the virus.

Like 80% of people with COVID 19 get the "Woohoo! I'm negative! Time to head back to work at the nursing home!!!"

Start spreading the word EVERYWHERE: COVID needs to be a clinical diagnosis only. The tests are worse than worthless. This is probably why Italy had such a bad outbreak.

A lack of tests in America probably actually helped slow the spread.

Those are just my words, my opinion. But that seems to be the direction this needs to head in the immediate future as of like 3 weeks ago.
I'm a little confused about what you're asserting and then concluding and I do have a few questions. But before all that, do you have a source for "pretty much all of the COVID testing is throwing so many false negatives"?
Sure thing. This sums up some of what I was saying:

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main ... key=228250

Another confounding factor is that I, nor any other healthcare worker I know, have received instruction on how to administer the test. Rumor is that a lot of false negatives are because samples aren't being collected.....aggressively enough. There's only so much vigorous nasal Rodgering the average patient can take before they hit you or tap out. And it looks like China took a turn for the better when they switched to clinical suspicion only.
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Post by flybynight » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:23 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-co ... spartandhp

More than 200 deaths from Covid-19 were reported Wednesday in the United States -- a new high for fatalities recorded in a single day.
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Re: COVID-19 Thread

Post by moab » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:36 am

manacheck wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:18 am
moab wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:27 am
The problem is there aren't pallets of goods available. Simply easier to let customers in to buy the few rationed items that come on the shelves each morning. They are generally gone by mid day.
Are you saying that because the quantity of goods coming in are not sufficient to be numbered in pallets, or are you saying that because some deliveries to some stores do not arrive using a pallet system?

I'll assume you mean the first: that because of reduced number of goods coming in, there are not sufficient goods being stocked to fill the surge of demand. (If it's the second thing, that's not a significant issue to problem-solve, at least inside. Dedicating the seasonal display shelves to the targeted items could be just one solution, and not by far the only one. My job is not to problem solve that.)

I don't agree that it's easier. I only agree that it's what's happening. There's zero need to instruct employees to put high-demand items in the very BACK of the store in this circumstance. It doesn't matter if that's where it normally goes. This is not a normal time period right now. Hours, jobs, ability to travel, products themselves, are all in a not normal way right now. It's simply not good management when it comes to reducing spread. Why could the setup NOT be modified to meet with the challenge?

The fact that the product be gone midday makes it more stupid, not less stupid.

The time and effort expended to nicely put hotcake items on the shelves and front them is not nearly as cost-effective as it is for products that are going to stay there for days or weeks. Got hotcake items? Stick 'em in a cart and wheel 'em up to the register with a sign on 'em. Saves hours of stocking and physical contact. When one cart is empty, wheel up a new one from the back. Bam, empty? Fine, then you're done. Done with workers being asked "What aisle is it in" and "Can you check for me, it's back that way but I couldn't see it for sure" or "Why don't you have it?": instead it'd be "All of that product is right here in the front. If it's empty, it's empty until we get new stock in." Even a sign could help reduce a lot of that. "NEED TP? ALL TP HERE."

What's next, employees told to hide in-demand product in weird spots around the store, and making it the COVID-version of an easter egg hunt?

A few days ago I saw a Costco video of people lined up waiting for the store to open. The second it did, some customers literally ran with their carts all the way to the back of the store to snag the TP that'd come in and had just been replenished.

There's no good reason for it except for increasing the number of aisles people go through. How to respond to it is a tough one. Under normal conditions, this IS what stores want. The longer people are in a store, the more aisles they have to go through, the more they're likely to buy. But if it is still what stores want, while we're under pandemic conditions, where our economy is being shut down and people are losing their jobs because of bad choices by people- on top of the original natural disaster we're seeing? That's a question to be factored in. From my perspective, a lot of this could be streamlined with just a few directions and maybe having some aisles put into one-way-only. It's not like people don't want to follow the instructions.

(Unless maybe if they're a 20-something with authority issues wanting to party on spring break. Then whatever)
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Moving anything is impractical in most modern grocery stores.

There are not enough (for instance) paper goods to keep the shelves from being empty. Literally the entire paper aisle is one big brown metal shelving unit with nothing on it down the entire aisle. Reports from the pharmacist in the store are that a limited quantity of paper products show up in the morning and are gone by 10am. (Same with the vast majority of items in the rice, bean and pasta aisle. As well as the bottled water aisle.)

So number one, to place the paper products anyplace else would make little difference. As there are so few. There is also so little room available in the store. I don't know where else you would put said products.

And number two (no pun intended), to try to move an entire aisle of shelving unit is next to impossible without rearranging the entire store. As the store is stuffed with these huge metal aisles of shelves. Arranged just so to maximize the storage space in the store. This is at our local Kroger grocery store. The largest chain on the west coast if not the US. There is simply no room at the front of the store to put anything. Without rearranging the entire store.

You'd have a bit of an easier time with your idea at say Costco or Winco. Two larger warehouse stores. I was at Costco day before yesterday. There was not line when we went in. But a line of about 100 as we came out. Which does accomplish less people in the store. So less contact between shoppers. They also had taped lines down in the check out area for social distancing. You weren't aloud to get closer than 6ft while in line for the checkout stand. But they do have more area for moving things up front as you suggest. But I didn't see many shoppers only going for the limited quantity items. Most everyone had a mix of items in their carts. From all over the store. So I don't see what moving limited items up front would do. People still circle back into the store for their goods. And then move up front to the registers to checkout.
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Post by majorhavoc » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:55 am

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. Other than the once-a-week grocery run and taking perishables to my elderly in-laws up the road, not much exciting happening. Hoping to keep it that way.
Yep, this is pretty much what I expected for a major crisis. It might start out exciting, but once things settle down, it's generally long periods of not much happening at all.

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Post by Stercutus » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:35 am

More than 3 Million people filed for unemployment this month in the US. This isn't just the most ever, it is the most by lots.
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More than 3 Million people filed for unemployment this month in the US. This isn't just the most ever, it is the most by lots.
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Post by sheddi » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:11 pm

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More than 3 Million people filed for unemployment this month in the US. This isn't just the most ever, it is the most by lots.
Three million in a *week* (week ending Mar 21) unless the British news has really misunderstood things. There's another week of March to come.
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Post by woodsghost » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:38 pm

Stercutus wrote:
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More than 3 Million people filed for unemployment this month in the US. This isn't just the most ever, it is the most by lots.
As I'm thinking about this, I'm remembering we have had the lowest unemployment numbers in recorded US history. Or pretty close to it. We have pulled people into working who have traditionally been unemployable, including the young, the old, the mentally disabled, the physically disabled, and convicted criminals. With that many people employed (mostly in the under $15 USD/hr category), we should not be surprised that we have record numbers of unemployment seekers.

What does that mean? To me, it means a lot of America's traditionally unemployed will regain their traditional status, and a number of very qualified Americans will go back to being underemployed. But the quality of service at the fast food joint will likely improve.

I have been very ok with the decrease in service since it has signaled a rise in the fortunes of many Americans. Not every one I know has echoed that sentiment. But I'm a product of rising fortunes through the last 3 years, and I hope we can get back on track.
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