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Re: Camp Fire

Post by absinthe beginner » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:43 am

Bikers provide security for evacuees at church shelter. Yet in every PAW novel the bikers are marauding cannibals. Hmmm, may have to rethink assumptions.

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by woodsghost » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:54 am

absinthe beginner wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:43 am
Bikers provide security for evacuees at church shelter. Yet in every PAW novel the bikers are marauding cannibals. Hmmm, may have to rethink assumptions.

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My wife teases me about this all the time. Her experiences with bikers has been very positive.
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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:04 am

woodsghost wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:54 am
absinthe beginner wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:43 am
Bikers provide security for evacuees at church shelter. Yet in every PAW novel the bikers are marauding cannibals. Hmmm, may have to rethink assumptions.

https://www.orovillemr.com/2018/11/26/h ... co-church/
My wife teases me about this all the time. Her experiences with bikers has been very positive.
There's all kinds of people in this world. :wink:

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by Stercutus » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:29 pm

absinthe beginner wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:43 am
Bikers provide security for evacuees at church shelter. Yet in every PAW novel the bikers are marauding cannibals. Hmmm, may have to rethink assumptions.

https://www.orovillemr.com/2018/11/26/h ... co-church/
That is because you have not read my new one yet. I am taking bikers to a place they have never been before.
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Re: Camp Fire

Post by flybynight » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:31 pm

:awesome:
Stercutus wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:29 pm
absinthe beginner wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:43 am
Bikers provide security for evacuees at church shelter. Yet in every PAW novel the bikers are marauding cannibals. Hmmm, may have to rethink assumptions.

https://www.orovillemr.com/2018/11/26/h ... co-church/
That is because you have not read my new one yet. I am taking bikers to a place they have never been before.
Now that right there is what you call genuine frightening. :ohdear:
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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:23 pm

From NPR: Weeks After Containment Of California's Deadly Camp Fire, Survivors Wait For Trailers

I have faced this kind of disaster, a fire or a wildfire. Having said that:

1. It took weeks just to contain the Camp Fire. The fire is still burning. It is not out.

2. Survivors are waiting for housing. A core, basic need.

Someone doing what they can, for themselves & their family to prepare for a disaster, should one happen.....it seems ...stupid...not to do so. Just basic simple prepping. Insurance, emergency fund, a communications plan for family members. A bag, of some kind, to grab and go.

Just basic, simple stuff. No need to go all Deth Wears Bunny Slippers or anything. (which we all know, there is nothing wrong with, per se). :wink:

At 1A, a WAMU show also distributed on NPR is this episode, The Things that matter most
If your home were on fire — if you had to flee from disaster — what would you take with you? Years ago, this may have been a prized family photo or a box of important documents. But today, these objects are usually digitized. The cloud holds them for us.

But what can’t be replaced? An heirloom, maybe, like jewelry from a grandparent? Or perhaps a keepsake that can’t be replaced, like a trophy won from a harrowing competition or a beloved stuffed animal? Or maybe it’s something you’ve made — that you’ve imbued with a unique meaning, like a journal or a movie ticket stub from a first date.

For their book What We Keep Bill Shapiro and Naomi Wax asked 150 people, from Ta-Nehisi Coates to Cheryl Strayed, what objects mean the most to them.

What makes an object meaningful? And what does it mean to lose that object?

Produced by Avery Kleinman.

For the Disaster Distress Helpline, call 1-800-985-5990 or text TalkWithUs to 66746
I recommend this episode. There is an audio player on the webpage. The podcast distributed over iTunes is 47 Minutes

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by boskone » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:25 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:23 pm
Someone doing what they can, for themselves & their family to prepare for a disaster, should one happen.....it seems ...stupid...not to do so. Just basic simple prepping. Insurance, emergency fund, a communications plan for family members. A bag, of some kind, to grab and go.
Because there are a lot of people out there who just don't think individuals can make a difference, even to themselves.

There was an article on Ars Technica some months back, and quite a few people just couldn't get their minds around the fact that it's simply more efficient for people to maintain their own preps. Of course, they're also probably the kind of people who will straight-facedly say that cooking takes too long and is inefficient and expensive, so there's a pretty massive divide between that type and the type who will frequent this forum.

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by flybynight » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:49 pm

Maybe preppers Have trust issues. As in even though others might be able to do it better, they don't trust anyone else to do it but themselves. :wink:
As of now I bet you got me wrong

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:59 pm

From NPR: As Evacuation Orders Lift, Some Paradise Residents Return Home To Devestation
For Seth Roberts and other residents of Paradise, Calif., Wednesday marked a sad homecoming.

"I'm in my backyard and it's all gone," Roberts told NPR. "My house is gone, my shop's gone, my sheds are gone. ... Nothing left, just a bunch of charred stuff."

Nearly a month after the Camp Fire decimated the northern California town, officials lifted evacuation orders across a stretch of the eastern portion of Paradise, allowing people to return and see what is left of their homes and businesses.

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by grumpyviking » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:17 am

flybynight wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:49 pm
Maybe preppers Have trust issues. As in even though others might be able to do it better, they don't trust anyone else to do it but themselves. :wink:
"if you dont know them, if you havent worked with them or spent time with them, then DONT trust them" something i live by every day and will go tenfold post SHTF.
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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:00 pm

From NPR: Officials Assess Response To Camp Fire In Northern California

This interview was transcribed. There is an audio player as well.

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Re: Camp Fire

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by grumpyviking » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:55 am

Survive, Adapt & Evolve .

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:46 am

TY for the link. :)

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by raptor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Yes those affected by the Campfire will have some hard choices to make. Build or leave is the key one.
Been there done that with a metro area of ~1 million people. They face many of the same choices as so many others have faced.

Housing
Jobs
Schools
re-building

It will likely to take a decade to completely rebuild.

IN NOLA it was water in this case it was fire. Still same impact.

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:02 pm

From NPR: 'Rethinking The Past' In The Aftermath Of California's Deadly Wildfires
From the air, the scale of the devastation in and around Paradise, Calif., is, simply put, alarming.

Whole neighborhoods and commercial districts are completely decimated, turned to rubble amidst the tall, orange-singed pine trees with blackened trunks. Deeper into the mountains, illegal pot plantations were suddenly exposed — and charred. Then there's the odd home on a ridge top or Rite Aid store that's been randomly spared.

"See how hot that burned, there's nothing left down there," says Dan Tomascheski, talking through a headset over the roar of the helicopter.

He's vice president of resources for Sierra Pacific Industries, one of northern California's biggest timber companies. 10,000 acres of the company's private land was scorched by the Camp Fire, the largest and deadliest wildfire in California history.

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:39 pm

From NPR: (CENSORED) Threatens To Cut California's FEMA Funding For Wildfire Relief

Plenty of Gov't policy in the article. Again, another transcript of an interview. Audio.

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by raptor » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:59 pm

An interesting twist on the Camp Fire.

PG&E filed bankruptcy due to the potential liability for this fire. They are a major power utility for the area and have been implicated as a cause of the fire.
I have no knowledge or opinion on whether or not they are liable but clearly they are worried enough to file bankruptcy.

PG&E has approximately 20,000 employees.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pg-e-goe ... 15837.html
PG&E said Monday that despite its intent to file for bankruptcy as it faces billions in liabilities tied to the state’s deadliest wildfires in history, it remains committed to providing “safe natural gas and electric service” to its 10 million customers.

“The company does not expect any impact to electric or natural gas service for its customers as a result of the Chapter 11 process. PG&E remains committed to assisting the communities affected by wildfires in Northern California, and its restoration and rebuilding efforts will continue,” PG&E said in a statement released Monday.

Additionally, the embattled utility giant said it expects that its employees will continue to receive their pay and health care benefits as usual.

What’s more, PG&E said it will continue to make investments in the safety of its system as it works with regulators, policymakers and other key stakeholders to consider a “range of alternatives to provide for the safe delivery of natural gas and electric service for the long-term in an environment that continues to be challenged by climate change.”

Over the weekend, the company’s CEO, Geisha Williams, resigned and was replaced by John Simon, who will serve as the company’s chief executive on an interim basis.

In a statement, Simon said the board believes a court-supervised process under Chapter 11 will “best enable PG&E to resolve its potential liabilities in an orderly, fair and expeditious fashion.”
BTW Vanguard holds about 50% of all of PG&E's outstanding debt in various mutual funds and ETFs but has re-insurance for all but about $2mm of the debt. expect to see bank write offs as a result of these guarantees.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... ar-BBSfzbf
The Vanguard Group holds about $415 million of municipal bonds issued on behalf of PG&E Corp., about half of the $920 million state and local debt sold for the California utility that’s edging toward bankruptcy because of the fallout form devastating wildfires.

But all but $2 million of the bonds held by Vanguard are backed by banks that act as buyers of last resort for the securities, insulating the money manager from risk, said Freddy Martino, a spokesman. Martino declined to comment on PG&E’s impending bankruptcy, though he said the firm’s holdings have declined about $15 million since its filings at the end of December.

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Re: Camp Fire

Post by Stercutus » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:46 pm

Do you think we will need to send any lawyers to California to help with all the lawsuits?



Also:
PG&E's market value has plummeted more than $30 billion since 2017. The company provided official 15-day notice that it will file petitions to
Read more: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/01 ... z5cdX432IS

The CEO also quit, leading the race to the exits. I am guessing no one is going down with that ship if they can help it.
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Re: Camp Fire

Post by Langenator » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:48 pm

I own a small bit of preferred stock that I inherited from my grandmother. Paid a quarterly dividend of about $100. I received a letter from them a while back stating that dividends would not be paid until further notice due to potential liability from fires. This was well before the Camp Fire, IIRC it referred to potential liability for fires in 2017.

I would foresee any legal fight becoming a massive exercise in blame shifting, with PG&E claiming that they were unable to do the needed maintenance, take necessary precautions, etc, because the state regulators wouldn't let them increase rates enough, or because environmental regulations, etc. No winners but the lawyers.

In the longer term, this is likely to make California's power problems even worse. PG&E is the state's largest utility. They, and the state's other utilities, already have enough problems supplying the state's energy needs (thanks in large part to environmental policies and rampant NIMBYism. If they default on bonds or force lenders to take haircuts in bankruptcy court, their borrowing costs for future upgrades in generating and transmission capacity will go up, probably significantly (I'm sure their insurance costs are already skyrocketing, if they're not self-insured.) Which will mean rate increases to cover the costs - and more fights with utility regulators over those rates (I'm not sure if those regulators are elected or appointed.) Meanwhile, the delays in construction will mean more brownouts and rolling blackouts.
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Re: Camp Fire

Post by MPMalloy » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:38 am

From NPR: Paradise, Calif., Holds Memorial For 85 Killed In Fire
A community-wide memorial service was held on Friday for the 85 people who died in November's Camp Fire. One man whose father died in the fire is trying to figure out where his family goes from here.
This tory is a transcription of an interview. There is an audio clip also.

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