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Mental health disorders rising in every country

Post by absinthe beginner » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:27 pm

It does seem like more people are going off the rails globally, with more people acting out violently and irrationally, individually and in groups, when things don't go their way, or rationalizing horrific crimes against fellow human beings. What are the larger preparedness implications for society? I wish governments spent a fraction of the money on addressing mental illness and its neurobiological and environmental causes than they do on "defense."

https://www.france24.com/en/20181010-ha ... y-globally

Mental health disorders are on the rise in every country in the world and could cost the global economy up to $16 trillion between 2010 and 2030 if a collective failure to respond is not addressed, according to an expert report on Tuesday.

The “Lancet Commission” report by 28 global specialists in psychiatry, public health and neuroscience, as well as mental health patients and advocacy groups, said the growing crisis could cause lasting harm to people, communities and economies worldwide.

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Post by NT2C » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:38 pm

The way I'm seeing this seemed increase is twofold. On the one hand, as populations increase the number of mentally ill will also proportionally increase, and on the other hand that more and more things are added to the list of mental illnesses all the time as research defines new limits on "normalcy" and eliminates old quasi-religious/supernatural explanations for mental illness. There was a time where "hearing voices" would be attributed to a supernatural/spiritual cause, rather than mental illness.
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Post by eugene » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:07 pm

Also more people are getting diagnosis. I know many people a generation or two older than I that should have had a diagnosed mental disorder but never went to the doctor unless it was a sickness alcohol couldn't cure. So there were a lot of undiagnosed back in the day.
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Re: Mental health disorders rising in every country

Post by emclean » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:02 pm

then add in the population that do not have a mental health issue, but want attrition. a quick google search and they have the symptoms they need to get happy pills / some attrition from someone / some one to listen to them, ect.
it is also my personal belief that in general we (general population of the first world) have had it so good for so long that we do not know what hardship is anymore, and can handle it when it pops up. so we need something to take the edge off realty.

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Post by NT2C » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:57 pm

emclean wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:02 pm
then add in the population that do not have a mental health issue, but want attrition. a quick google search and they have the symptoms they need to get happy pills / some attrition from someone / some one to listen to them, ect.
it is also my personal belief that in general we (general population of the first world) have had it so good for so long that we do not know what hardship is anymore, and can handle it when it pops up. so we need something to take the edge off realty.
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Post by emclean » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:28 pm

yep, spell check only tells me it is a word spelled correctly, not that I used the right one.

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Post by w3rdtoyamama » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 pm

could it be the water or the social media platforms? :ohdear:
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Post by boskone » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:07 pm

w3rdtoyamama wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 pm
could it be the water or the social media platforms? :ohdear:
Neither, probably.

I expect partly it's better diagnostics and increasing willingness to be diagnosed, partly overdiagnosis (every teacher I know, without exception, says ADHD is overdiagnosed), and partly mass social media making it seem more common than it is.

I also tend to think an increasingly urban population doesn't help, the population density causes some issues. I may be biased, though, because my preferred population density would probably be measured in miles per person. ;)

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Post by JeeperCreeper » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:00 pm

Social media can both contribute and magnify mental illness in humans (as well as cats).

It is an external stimulus that is a huge component in many people's (and cat's) lives.

I've worked in mental health in various capacities so my real feelings on all this would be a little too opinionated for ZS.

But I think I agree with everyone on this thread... Super complex with many variables while also extremely nuanced.
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Post by JT42 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:27 pm

JeeperCreeper wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:00 pm
Social media can both contribute and magnify mental illness in humans (as well as cats).

It is an external stimulus that is a huge component in many people's (and cat's) lives...
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Post by MPMalloy » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:08 pm

boskone wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:07 pm
w3rdtoyamama wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 pm
could it be the water or the social media platforms? :ohdear:
Neither, probably.

I expect partly it's better diagnostics and increasing willingness to be diagnosed, partly overdiagnosis (every teacher I know, without exception, says ADHD is overdiagnosed), and partly mass social media making it seem more common than it is.

I also tend to think an increasingly urban population doesn't help, the population density causes some issues. I may be biased, though, because my preferred population density would probably be measured in miles per person. ;)
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Post by MPMalloy » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:09 pm

JT42 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:27 pm
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:00 pm
Social media can both contribute and magnify mental illness in humans (as well as cats).

It is an external stimulus that is a huge component in many people's (and cat's) lives...
The best solution for me: Spend less time with people and more time with cats.
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Post by Benbrutal » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:37 am

Could a part of this be the rising amounts of drugs in the water supply? Lots of female hormones from birth control pills, mixing with the zanax and ritilin, and all the other prescription drugs and happy pills, and the freelance happy pills taken by so many. All that get flushed down the toilet, sewage treatment plants do nothing to remove the drugs and hormones, and the intake side doesn't do anything either, iirc. Lots of people drinking, brushing their teeth and bathing and cooking with water with a mix of all sorts of stuff in it, just not sewage. Might have an effect, over years. Something to think about?
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Post by the_alias » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:11 pm

Has been mentioned already but yes Social Media use is actually probably in large part responsible for this. The discussions I've seen and studies I've heard mention studying this seem pretty compelling evidence it can exacerbate and create problems. Throw in helicopter parenting in the West and that goes a long way. I have other theories and reasons but maybe not really suitable for ZS
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Post by DarkAxel » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:48 pm

I think part of the problem is the tendency of drug companies to invent new disorders to sell new drugs. A lot of things are being classified as mental illness that are common, like seasonal affective disorder (the winter blues), are being included in the new editions of the DSM, and pharmaceutical companies have been caught compensating doctors for prescribing their new multimillion dollar drugs.
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Post by Stercutus » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:58 pm

I have seen a lot more frequent drug induced mental illness in the past few years. The rise in popularity in meth for example has led to an increase in the number of people suffering from visual/ auditory hallucinations. The hallucinations don't go away when the abuser quits taking meth either as the brain chemistry has been permanently altered.

These are frustrating and dangerous to deal with as you can never convince people with hallucinations that they are not real. We have had several shootings and other serious crimes when they eventually go off the rails completely and act out against their hallucinations. It doesn't even take years of abuse either for someone to be affected, although most cases I have dealt with were taking the drug for at least a year.

Depression and suicide linked to the huge increase in opiate abuse is shocking as well. The rate has climbed steadily with prescription opiate drug abuse since 2000 and now is at it's highest level ever, maybe. Certainly since the 70s. This does not even account for the "overdose" cases where suicide is not clear (but likely) and therefore is reported as an overdose. The number of deaths from overdose since 2000 has tripled quadrupled, it seems likely a number of these were also suicides.
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Post by MPMalloy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:44 pm

Stercutus wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:58 pm
I have seen a lot more frequent drug induced mental illness in the past few years. The rise in popularity in meth for example has led to an increase in the number of people suffering from visual/ auditory hallucinations. The hallucinations don't go away when the abuser quits taking meth either as the brain chemistry has been permanently altered.

These are frustrating and dangerous to deal with as you can never convince people with hallucinations that they are not real. We have had several shootings and other serious crimes when they eventually go off the rails completely and act out against their hallucinations. It doesn't even take years of abuse either for someone to be affected, although most cases I have dealt with were taking the drug for at least a year.

Depression and suicide linked to the huge increase in opiate abuse is shocking as well. The rate has climbed steadily with prescription opiate drug abuse since 2000 and now is at it's highest level ever, maybe. Certainly since the 70s. This does not even account for the "overdose" cases where suicide is not clear (but likely) and therefore is reported as an overdose. The number of deaths from overdose since 2000 has tripled quadrupled, it seems likely a number of these were also suicides.
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Post by grumpyviking » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:51 am

I think a lot of it is due to the crap and chemicals that is in the type of food most people eat, processed food is not good on a continual daily basis and gawd know what is in some of the "fast food" some eat.
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Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:54 am

Are psychedelics the "new frontier" when it comes to treating mental health disorders? God knows existing treatments - talk therapy and SSRIs, mainly - leave something to be desired given the epidemic of anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... chotherapy

Indigenous people are believed to have used plant-based psychedelics for millennia; now, factions of the western medical establishment seem to be catching on. But most psychedelics are still Schedule I controlled substances, in the same category as heroin and cocaine; possession or sale has been punishable by prison sentence since 1971. With rare exceptions, the only way you can legally consume psychedelics in the US is as a participant in one of a few clinical research trials conducted at universities such as New York University and Johns Hopkins.

These studies have yielded astounding results: they suggest that, when administered to carefully screened patients by trained health professionals, psychedelics are safe and potent tools for alleviating PTSD, addictions, cluster headaches, anxiety and depression.

Amid a broken healthcare system and rising rates of opioid addiction and suicide, Americans are searching for alternative paths to healing, which is where underground guides come in. The industry has its share of charlatans, but many guides hold themselves to ethical standards and protocols comparable to those established in clinical settings.

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