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Post by jamoni » Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:40 am

How do they produce pheremones? They don't drink water, so they don't sweatt and their glands are dead. To give off pheremones you have to produce them. Zombies have nothing to make them with.
Ouch. that hurt. Um, Jesus did it?
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Post by Zardoz » Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:38 am

Jesus built my hotrod, I can't see why he couldn't make buckets of zombie pheremones anytime he wanted!
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Post by NecronomiconExMortis » Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:22 am

The zombies body isn't all dead, obviously, or it wouldn't be able to move around and perceive. My guess is that what ever caused the zombie-ness ( say it's a virus ) would leave certain parts of the body capable of functioning. That really depends on exactly what kind of physiological changes actually took place inside the body at the time of zombification. It really doesn't take much to squeeze some pherimone out compared to the amount of energy it takes to walk. A corpse can't produce pherimone; a zombie is not a corpse, it's a zombie, and it stands to reason that the body would retain certain aspects of life; i.e; the ability to create quantities of chemical.
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Post by ProZombieHunter » Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:07 am

Also we should take into account the functioning of a zombie's brain. We usually classify them as more or less brain-dead, but... WHAT IF?

Think of it. The average human uses something like 15% of their brain. What if the brain-destroying zombieism condition unlocked parts of the brain that, for healthy, living, breathing human beings, are completely inaccessible?

The "sixth sense" (knowing when people are around) may be highly developed. Other senses, including ones outside of the realm of the norm (i.e., ESP allowing zombies to locate food, detect vibrations in the air in the subsonic range, etc.) may come into play.

Just throwing my knife in the dark to see if it'll hit a shambler. Any thoughts?
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Post by NecronomiconExMortis » Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:23 am

That's a very interesting idea. But, in reality, humans do use most of their brains... we only use 10% for cognative thinking, yes; but most of the rest is used for the involuntary functions of the body. Zombies don't need much of those; parts of the brain used for breathing and organ controle, for instance, would be obsolete. For a zombie to use parts of their brain better than humans would suggest an increased blood flow to the parts in question; we know this isn't happening if the heart isn't pumping. The logic behind the mostly brain-dead zombie arises because 1) the zombie's brain is rotting, 2) the heart is not beating, so no blood is going to the brain, and 3) the lungs do not work, so even if blood was going to the brain it would not be oxygenated and wouldn't help brain function at all. We've already established that zombies are SOMEWHAT alive, or else they wouldn't be moving around. That means that certain functions must be maintained; perhaps minimal heart and lung function? Or perhaps physiological changes have taken place and the brain no longer needs blood and oxygen to survive and function. Perhaps a tumor forms that is self sustaining? This tumor would be located, probably, closer to the base of the spine, and would probably span down the middle of the brain; these being the areas that controle the senses ( primaraly smell ) and motor controle, which would be all the zombie needed to survive.
But I digress. Basically what I'm trying to get at is that for a zombie to unlock parts of the brain inaccessable to humans the zombie would need to be pumping more oxygenated blood into the brain than a human is; which is not the case. But I don't know. It could happen.

If that were the case, however, it opens up the possibility of a zombie hive mind.
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Post by ProZombieHunter » Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:35 am

You put forth some excellent points, but I feel this is a field worth exploring simply because it's so interesting.

The idea of a hive mind interests me the most. Not a classical, insect-like hive mind, but one on a more, believe it or not, sophisticated level.

I know that sophistication is the last adjective in your mind when you think "zombie" but bear with me for a moment.

With the loss of a particular ability or bodily function, and rarley in the even of a traumatic experience, the brain often sharpens up other abilities, sensations, or induces unique emotional reactions to stimuli. I.e., the blind man with excellent hearing, the sexually abused child who automatically disassociates and subconciously invents new personalities (considered a disorder, but is in fact a positive thing in some ways), etc.

Not all of these "secondary functions" are positive changes, as is noted with combat veterans whose hands become paralyzed (from fear of what their hands have done), amputees who experience phantom pains...

The point is, with the loss of a lot of brain function, is it not concievable that the brain would supplant the lost abilities with new ones... Sort of?

I'll put it like this. Two human beings can be completely in tune with each other, especially if they are both cognizant of this fact. Try sitting in a quiet place with someone you're close to, and tell them to guess what number you're thinking of... If you're truly in tune, it will work.

This phenomena can even extend to larger numbers of people. I know because I have seen it happen on numerous occasion on the improv stages I preform on. Players have stood side by side, and fielded questions from the audience, completely in sync with each other.

I do not mean they took turns and each knew what was coming next. Three players (myself among them), without looking at each other, knew, word for word, what the other players were saying, and said it ALONG WITH THEM, simultaneously.

So if you're cognizant of the way your mind can touch another, it is completely possible. You may not believe me, but if you focus I guarantee you will find it.

Is it not possible that such connections can be made between the minds of zombies? Think of it -- The connections could be even stronger, possibly even hardwired, because of the brain-damage that is causing the strengthening of other facilities.

I know it's all pretty far-fetched, but improv is my life and I think that if it is something all people are capable of (and they are), then those same connections are something that all zombies are capable of.
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Post by will » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:56 am

PZH - thats shit. its been proven over and over again that peole cant read each others minds or guess what there thinking. it just doesnt work that wat, ever. now zombies maby i dont know,

if you and yer friends were able to do it its because you all think alike and got lucky. phsycics are fun to watch and i enjoy the stories but they are all charlatens. parlor tricks if you will.

so im calling your bluff. there is no frickin way you can read other peoles minds or even come close to guessing what they are thinking. if you can...go to the casino and win me an assload of money then i will publicly apologize and ill eat your shoelaces.
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Post by ProZombieHunter » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:06 am

It doesn't quite work like that, but that doesn't mean I'm disagreeing with you.

I agree completely, and I admit that I can't guess what anyone is thinking at any time. I also agree that psychics are all charlatans.

But the point is this: It's happened. To me. I'm not claiming I've unlocked some kind of hidden function of the human brain, but I am claiming that people, with a similair goal, in the throes of some hardcore adrenaline, can accomplish the feat of "knowing" each other's thoughts.

By "knowing" I mean paralelling their thoughts, thus establishing what I like to call a "mental connection", because if you hit it, you can FEEL it, like a runner's high.

But it's probably something unique to the improv stage...

Try this excercise. Get together with a whole bunch of people. Everyone must look at the floor, and not at each other. Now, you have to count to ten. The catch is, only one person can say a number at a time, and there is no preset order in which the people say the numbers.

Therefore, any person can speak any number whenever they want, (provided that it is in sequence), except that if two or more people say the number, you have to start over. This can take a surprisingly long time, but with a group of good players, who "connect", we can nail on the first or second try.
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Post by will » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:08 am

hmmm...gotta go to work, more later, but yea i see yer point.
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Post by ProZombieHunter » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:14 am

It's a meager point, I realize, but I must defend the art of improvised comedy.
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Post by Zardoz » Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:05 pm

Who's line is it anyway?
"The gun is good. The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life, and poisons the earth with a plague of men, as once it was. But the gun shoots death, and purifies the earth of the filth of brutals. Go forth and kill!"

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Post by ProZombieHunter » Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:58 pm

Whenever somebody brings that up, it's bittersweet for me.

Sweet because it's an enjoyable TV show (when I watch TV, which is very rarely).

Bitter because it's heavily edited. And I'm not ON THE FREAKING TV SHOW! I would TOTALLY sell out to make improv my job!

DREW CAREY, GIVE ME A JOB YOU FAT WHITE PIECE OF SHIT!
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Post by Zardoz » Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:51 pm

They edit it? You mean they are not ad lib geniuses? Do they actually plan it out beforehand? I am shocked and appalled.
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Post by NecronomiconExMortis » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:30 pm

Psychic abilities = as real as the air you're breathing.

But who's to say what is real? Lets not get into that discussion, because when it comes down to it many, MANY people have theorized that the entire fabric of reality is nothing more than a hallucenation perceived by a unified conciousness of which we are all a part. Quantum physics says something very similar, but it's called Holotropic ( I think? ) Projection. Basicaly, some scientists think we're all a hologram. So really, how real is the air you're breathing?
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Post by jamoni » Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:29 pm

I can test for air within the frameowrk of reality. I can put a republican in a glass jar, evacuate the air, and it will die of asphyxiation. None of the tests for psychic powers have shown even a shred of proof for their existence. So, within the framework of reality that we are confronted with, psychic powers do not seem to exist. Outside of that framework, who gives a shit?
As far as "being in the zone" and thinking in parallel with another person, sure it's possible. I've been there, done that. That's just the brain doing what it does: trying to predict the future from past experience. But there is no extrasensory perception involved.
Can anyone tell what I'm thinking right now?
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Post by kyle » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:56 pm

Jamoni wrote: Can anyone tell what I'm thinking right now?
I bet you're thinking about that boat. :)

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Post by will » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:28 pm

millitary guys do it all the time but it has to do with training and being like minded not magic powers
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Post by NecronomiconExMortis » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:34 pm

Inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale...


Booya. But anyway, that topic of discussion is in the realm of faith. You'd have to have faith in it's existance, and we're not talking about faith here. This isn't a mystic tree hugging hippy board. Back to zombies.
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Post by jamoni » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:14 pm

I was actually thinking "Man, I hate the ghetto." So you lose, Kyle.
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Post by NecronomiconExMortis » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:55 pm

But you were thinking 'Inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale...'

I'm psycho! ... er... I mean... psychic!
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Post by ProZombieHunter » Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:43 am

If you watch enough late-night TV you'll probably see a show or two about psychics.

Most of these TV shows are bogus, but I saw a documentary one time about this academy for Asian kids who were trying to develop ESP... They were doing some pretty freaky stuff... Calling out the names of cards being shown ONLY to the camera, causing a needle to rotate on a table FROM A DIFFERENT ROOM, and the best one was the odds thing.

There was this machine (looked almost like a pachinko machine) which they ran. Small balls fell down behind a glass barrier, hitting pegs. For every peg they hit, there was a chance they'd go left, and a chance they'd go right, so the distribution of the balls at the bottom of the machine was almost completely even.

There was one girl who, just by thinking about it, could make EVER SINGLE BALL go the left EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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Post by badseed » Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:04 am

penn & teller have a show on showtime called bullshit. very good show & they have one about psychics. i'm the worlds biggest skeptic & i dont believe in anything. i just dont buy into esp or telekenisis or any of that. but if we're talking zombies, i'm sure it's possible that they work off of some sort of psychic ability.

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Post by ProZombieHunter » Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:07 am

Bullshit is the best show around. It makes me angry though, because they get paid for doing stuff that's always basically been one of my hobbies.

I very much doubt that zombies would consciously communicate with each other via a psychic link. More like just having the ability to read each others impulses...
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Post by jamoni » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:51 pm

Yah, but Penn and Teller are funnier than PZH. It's a proven scientific FACT.
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