Can Zombies Swim?

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Can Zombies Swim?

Post by Black November » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:17 pm

The thought just occurred to me, can zombies swim? If they can't why wouldn't someone go to the nearest body water, steal a boat or build a raft, and anchor it out away from the zombies. You would have to come in occasionally for supplies / food, but you would be safe.
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Post by Psy » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:58 am

No, zombies are thought to not swim. They do not breathe, however, and are thought to linger at the bottom of bodies of water. It is also thought that they may be able to climb up the anchor rope/chain.

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Post by Dr.Norris » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:36 am

They might not swim but they could fall into the ocean and float, just something to think about on top of them walking on the seafloor.

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Post by xxxero » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:45 am

swimming seems unlikely, as does floating IMO, because if they don't breathe, then there is no aie in their lungs (do they have lungs?) to keep them afloat.
walking across the bottom of a lake and then climbing up the anchor, however, seems likely.
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Post by Warmbeer » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:33 am

steal a boat or build a raft, and anchor it out away from the zombies
i have wondered this same point. My conclusion is that the zombies living and fighting underwater are going to have a limited range, for the simple reason that the pressure of water at any depth beyond say, 400 ft or so, would more then likely crush any soft brain tissue effectively killing a zombie....so I dont see them walking along the bottom...even 100ft over an extended period is going to seriously damage them.

Plus, they don't have bouyancy compensators like you do in SCUBA, they dont have ballast or weights to get them down there. That means they would have to free float at the mercy of the currents......so, if you get in deep enough water, far enough from shore, moored in a current heading TOWARD the shoreline, yes, i think the plan could work....

Of course the chances of you finding a lake over 400 ft deep is slim, you are basically limited to the great lakes, or oceans/seas, as options...in that case it better be one hell of a raft :wink:

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Post by jonwolf » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:28 pm

Hmm. . . I know they don't have any air in their lungs, but couldn't some of the decaying matter produce gasses that could build up in their stomache or some other body cavity?

In that case I think they could float, but not really have any ontrol over their movements. Just a flailing, smelly, and loud meat ball out in the water.

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Post by Wolfe4086 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:53 pm

I would say floating seems possible or walkin along the bottom. Bottom walking zombies would not last long due to scavengers and pressures of the deep.
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Post by Blacksh33p » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:45 pm

In theory, they cannot swim as they have no thought process or memory of former ability. I can see floating for some, but I think I'm going with Jagdwulfe on this.
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Post by crypto » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:06 am

Jagdwulfe wrote:I would say floating seems possible or walkin along the bottom. Bottom walking zombies would not last long due to scavengers and pressures of the deep.
Scavengers are almost universally thought to avoid eating zombies, like they instinctively know something is wrong with them.

Additionally, the pressure of the deep kills by crushing, but if the sinuses and lungs are completely full, there is no empty cavity to crush. Besides, they're already dead :D


I think they'd merrily walk around on the floor of whatever body of water they walk into.
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Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:41 am

Doc66 broaches the subject of sub-aquatic zombies in Emma (see the Art section). Zombies start appearing on the side of a body of water where they are not supposed to be in any numbers. The characters eventually figure out that the zeds are falling into the water upstream (?) and literally walking on the lake/river bed and coming up on their side (where all the noise and shooting is attracting them).
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Post by B3 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:34 pm

Just a thought: wouldn't a zombie (being undead) gradually undergo decomposition? If so, wouldn't the water speed up the decaying process?
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Post by Wolfe4086 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:36 pm

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Jagdwulfe wrote:I would say floating seems possible or walkin along the bottom. Bottom walking zombies would not last long due to scavengers and pressures of the deep.
Scavengers are almost universally thought to avoid eating zombies, like they instinctively know something is wrong with them.

Additionally, the pressure of the deep kills by crushing, but if the sinuses and lungs are completely full, there is no empty cavity to crush. Besides, they're already dead :D


I think they'd merrily walk around on the floor of whatever body of water they walk into.
I can see crabs and the like picking pieces off the dead bodies as they really are not picky. As for pressure I was more referring to Ocean style deep pressure. It can crush a sub like an eggshell so I am sure it would squish a zed.
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Post by Madrik » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:33 am

Yeah but what about the point that dude made ealier? If every cavity is full of water, how can it be crushed with no space?

And about if dead bodies float, the answer is yes and no. Or rather no and yes. Or rather, first no, then yes, then no. A newly dead human being, or any other animal, will sink when placed in water. After the gases of decomposition build up in the chest and abdomen, the body will inflate and rise like a hydrogen-filled balloon. It would pop to the surface, (sometimes dragging with it surprisingly heavy weights a murderer might have thought sufficient to keep it down.) However, with the passage of time and further decomposition, the body cavities eventually rupture, the gas escapes, and the corpse goes down again, this time for good.

Same applies to the undead. You may discover the phase of their decomposition based on if they are floating or not.

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Post by Ponyboy314 » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:20 am

Zombies most certainly cannot swim. Of course, swimming takes a bit of coordination, just like jumping rope or running obstacle courses. Zombies can't do that, either.

For a human being to learn to swim means having to use their bodies, and in particular their limbs, for purposes for which they were not designed. Swimming is not a natural function of humanity. Many animals, such as bears, elephants, and what not are strong swimmers even though they are not designed for it, but then, they operate largely on instinct, and their instincts tell them that they can swim, and thus they do.

But our instincts don't tell us anything of the sort. We were apparently never supposed to be aquatic. We need to be taught to swim, or we just need to get it right on our own once or twice (which is how I learned). Not being instinctual, we must learn.

Zombies forget just about everything about being human except for two things: that they want to eat and they will have to walk to food to get it. That's it. Since swimming is not a natural human function, zombies will not remember how to do it, and likely don't have the brain power to figure it out if you throw them in the lake. After all, their coordination is so poor that they have no ability to move on land with any real speed, and even at their slowest, they move with a noticeable inability to make all body parts work together.

So no, I don't think they're swimmers.

And as for chilling out on a boat to wait it out for a while...

Better hope that that zombies are taken care of before winter, or ice fishing will take on a whole new meaning.
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Post by Plastic » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:15 am

Is swimming a learned behaviour?

look at a dog. toss a puppy in the bath and he will dog paddle.
newborns can swim for short stretches.

it all points to an innate behavior.
sure, the breast stroke is a learned cognitive skill. more than likely that cognitive skill will die before the brain is reanimated.
but what if death occurs due to the infection itself froma small bite? how many brain cells are really lost in the transition to reinfected brain? will all the cognitive skills go away?

even it if they all do, you are still left with the innate ability to tread water...

couple that with a decomposing body that is filled with decomp gasses and floats......


during the early life cycle of the zed, there is a real possibility that it can "swim" to some extent.

unless there is some stimuli to drive them to the water, or they simply fall in, I doubt they will go into the water by choice.

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Post by Plastic » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:23 am

Most of that relates to brown water of course.
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Post by harpo » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:11 pm

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A puppy or newborn will swim out of innate fear of drowning. A Zombie has no such fear or inclination to breathe so I would guess the basis instict to swim would not be there.

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Post by Plastic » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:13 pm

harpo wrote:Hi
A puppy or newborn will swim out of innate fear of drowning. A Zombie has no such fear or inclination to breathe so I would guess the basic instinct to swim would not be there.
true, but an innate behavior doesn't go away. I would think that just like walking (which is a learned behavior) there would be no loss of that skill on a base level.

remember, when you are talking zombies, be they viral, or biological, they are reanimated brains. if the parts of the brain that control sight, motor control, and survival instinct are re-animated, it is likely to assume that a lot more of the brain will be intact.

we know that memory is the first to die with lack of oxygen. so depending on the length of time from death until cellular reanimation, a lot of shit can rot out. but if that transition is fast, like under 15 minutes, there won't be much lost other than higher cognitive skills and memory.
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Post by Gurg » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:16 pm

Just in case, someone better pick up one of those explosive-tipped harpoons. Or underwater welding torch.

Sweet, I bet no one has made a movie about a bunch of deep-sea welders fighting zombies.

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Post by Largojack » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:14 pm

Yhea i can see where pressures being equalized would prevent all crushing, its basic sciences equal to equal means no change, and if the zed is sinking the presure will equalize on the way down. But what if were dealing with a MorningStar or 28 series Zed. In 28 weeks they were prettymuch thrshing enough to tread water and haul themselves up on to a boat MANY times, that could be one serious problem for your boat idea unless your way out there and have a high deck level....

But sound tactic if it goes down, but thats just my 2 cents. 8)
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Re: Can Zombies Swim?

Post by Mahatma Zombie » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:07 am

Black November wrote:The thought just occurred to me, can zombies swim? If they can't why wouldn't someone go to the nearest body water, steal a boat or build a raft, and anchor it out away from the zombies. You would have to come in occasionally for supplies / food, but you would be safe.
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Re: Can Zombies Swim?

Post by Scooter » Fri May 30, 2008 9:27 pm

no they can not swim that would take higher brain functions that "normal" zombie just don't have,
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Re: Can Zombies Swim?

Post by Cultentacle » Fri May 30, 2008 9:30 pm

If zombies are thought to be able to walk who's to say that they cant swim... :?

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