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We have done some testing with the 32 acp round for its zombie stopping potential. Take a look at these results, you may want to consider this a viable round.
1. Magsafe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjIwmANsPyM&feature=plcp
2. FMJ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s_qNvLnUXc&feature=plcp
3. Flatnose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Xd2TUGwGM

Just passing along this information because there is a lot of speculation about whether or not this is a BIG enough caliber to stop a zombie, watch and decide for yourself.

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Perfect for Zombies and excellent for Jaberwocky. Past that I won't say. I think the Italian police used to use them years ago if that means anything.

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I understand that.... A lot of people have "mouse guns" and we wanted to see if they COULD be used to stop zombies. Obviously they are effective at close ranges, maybe too close for comfort when zombies are attacking. However, it is better than having nothing and becoming a bite for dinner.

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Why would you even consider that. When 9mm is so cheap!

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EmbraceTheHate wrote:
Why would you even consider that. When 9mm is so cheap!


A lot of people in the bullseye community spread the misconception that 9mm isn't an accurate round. They prefer their Pardini match set .22/.32. These people start to bad mouth 9mm to a point that the misconceptions are heard in survival situations, only we're not talking a target 20 or 200 yards away, but closer to 2. If you can't hit your opponent at 10' - 20' (the average distance of a gun fight), it's not the round, most likely not even the gun.

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A .32acp is better than sharp words but not something I would chose. If it was all I had, I would use it but if I was making a choice on a firearm caliber combination the .32 would not be in choices.

I agree even if all you have is a pocket pistol use a 9mm, .38 spl/.357 or even a .380 acp over the .32 acp.

BTW I doubt the "test" in the videos qualify as a statistically significant sample even if it has mock blood.

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I should also note, I didn't watch the video's until now. I was posting from my phone before, and that analogue, while cool, is not adequate of a zombie head. I'd believe a Coconut test more, and a pigs head even more than that.

Every time I think of these tests, I think I should find a local butcher, and get him to hold onto a few pigs heads for me. The next time I'm going up to the BOL, take these heads out, and see what my firearms can do. Of course, doing this, I would need to set up a camera to record the events, and then post to YouTube to share here. Would that video be considered too NSFW for YouTube, or for ZS? I'm thinking it might reduce some of the debates on .22, and could be considered fun (Although messy).

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Is that head made out of wax? If so I think even pellet guns should be able to make a mess of it.

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While I agree with others that a .32 is better than nothing I'd say it'll do the job with hollow points and soft points at closer than 15 feet, I'd probably go with FMJ for closer to 15ft distances, for penetration. (Only a fool would say "No, I WON'T carry a (Insert pocket pistol-type caliber), I'd rather be empty-handed") I'm very happy with my .380, not to mention I can find a few types of ammo for it at even at Wal-mart. I don't remember seeing any .32 or .25 there, but I'd buy a nice .32 or .25 if the price is right, and in a heartbeat if it was a great deal!

I've considered using a rotting animal head to simulate a zombie's rotting flesh. Maybe ask a butcher for a head that's getting too old to sell, explain it's for ammo testing not eating. You may get it for cheap or even free for getting it out of their way=win for both of you, (especially you :clap: )

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Maybe the purpose of our testing is misunderstood. Let me try to explain.
The zombie skulls we make ourselves are quality controlled (same each time) measurements of a hard plaster material that is 1.45 inches thick from the nose to the top of the skull. The mouth and teeth are 5.2 inches thick. We found this to be close to the thickness of a zombie skull, so we used it. It started as a project from many friends who have 22 LR weapons. There were many questions and arguements about penetration and effectiveness. So, we decided to test them on the skulls we made. We shot as many different 22lr rounds as we could find locally. We are having fun satisfying our curiosity.
As we progressed, we had requests for other calibers as well ... 25, 32, etc. Our objective was not to start a debate on which caliber is best, only to show a simulation of what it could do on a zombie skull. We did this on a very low budget (hence the name poboyspecial) while still obtaining data. We agree that there are cheaper rounds (calibers) than the old 25, and 32. We also agree that there are more powerful rounds. We just wanted to show a large audience that have these "mouse guns" what they could do if they ever had to use them on a zombie (that simple). We also agree that a pig head would be viable test, but as we stated before... poboyspecial budget. We may get around to that if we get the chance. Hope that sheds some light on the intent of our operation.

P.S. My personal choice is the 45 acp 1911 style frame, but that's just me! There are many good choices depending on your situation!

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When you say zombies, you mean human beings right?
I mean, there's no actual zombies...
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We mean zombies .... this is a zombie forum, not a human being forum.
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BullOnParade wrote:
I should also note, I didn't watch the video's until now. I was posting from my phone before, and that analogue, while cool, is not adequate of a zombie head. I'd believe a Coconut test more, and a pigs head even more than that.

Every time I think of these tests, I think I should find a local butcher, and get him to hold onto a few pigs heads for me. The next time I'm going up to the BOL, take these heads out, and see what my firearms can do. Of course, doing this, I would need to set up a camera to record the events, and then post to YouTube to share here. Would that video be considered too NSFW for YouTube, or for ZS? I'm thinking it might reduce some of the debates on .22, and could be considered fun (Although messy).


BullOnParade,

I think your test sounds great... DocTacDad does that right now with higher caliber pistols. Of course, he doesn't do the volume of testing PoBoySpecial does, nor are his tests as consistant because he's not in control of how thick the skulls are. However, they are organic. In my humble opinion, I'm just glad to see that someone is testing through something other than ballistics gell out there, and that they are taking a very exhaustive approach to the little .22 caliber guns!


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Poboyspecial wrote:
We mean zombies .... this is a zombie forum, not a human being forum.
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Poboyspecial wrote:
We mean zombies .... this is a zombie forum, not a human being forum.
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I mean Zombie, zombies. Using .32 ACP for self or home defense is a bad idea.

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OK, for all of you 32 haters and commentors, here is a test you might want to see. Keep in mind, it is not a scientific one, just a plain one to prove a point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=t49JmzErUl8

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Poboyspecial wrote:
We mean zombies .... this is a zombie forum, not a human being forum.
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Really? :?

Okay, then. Moved to Zombie Combat Tactics.

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I think the perfect zombie killer would be a .22. Well, based on the fact that headshots are supposed to kill zombies. No recoil for follow up shots, and anyone can use it. Ammo is cheap, light and plentiful. The firearms themselves are usually cheap, light and plentiful. Why waste precious 9mm, 308, 5.56, or 7.62 on zombies? Use that for living threats.

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For what it's worth, we've killed full grown hogs and beef cattle with a single shot to the brain with a .22lr rifle as long as I can remember. (40 years)

It works every time.

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For what it's worth, we've killed full grown hogs and beef cattle with a single shot to the brain with a .22lr rifle as long as I can remember. (40 years)

It works every time.

I've taken smaller hogs, yotes, bobcat, even gators with .22lr. Shot placement is key. We usually use .22mag for putting down livestock. Criss cross between the eyes and ears, shoot there. However, we've had a cow that took 3 .45 ACP to the head, and was sitting up 20 minutes later. Also had a 400 pound pig that took a 7.62 39 point blank between the eyes and basically shrugged it off.

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Poboyspecial wrote:
OK, for all of you 32 haters and commentors, here is a test you might want to see. Keep in mind, it is not a scientific one, just a plain one to prove a point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=t49JmzErUl8

Watch and decide for yourself.


I must say that was the least impressive test of a firearm I have ever seen on You Tube ever.

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I think the perfect zombie killer would be a .22. Well, based on the fact that headshots are supposed to kill zombies. No recoil for follow up shots, and anyone can use it. Ammo is cheap, light and plentiful. The firearms themselves are usually cheap, light and plentiful. Why waste precious 9mm, 308, 5.56, or 7.62 on zombies? Use that for living threats.


My thoughts exactly.

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I whole heartedly agree about the 22 LR being more advantageous because of the cost, weight, availability, and effectiveness. I just wanted to show that the 32 could be a viable tool seeing how many people have this caliber.

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