In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

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In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by AS556 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:39 am

-Fast zombies
-Headshots required
-Society has completely gone to shit

Which rifle do you choose?Will an AK be accurate enough for consistent running headshots?Will an AR be reliable enough stake your life on?

The opportunity to come across spare parts and magazines for ARs may not come for months or even years, you can only carry so much replacement gear on your person.

I personally would take the AKM because it is the rifle I own and it has been stupid reliable for 3k rounds (2 malfunctions),I trust my life with it despite it being a WASR. :shock:

What do you guys think?What would be your ideal setup on either rifle?Just curious to see what you think sorry if it's in the wrong forum.

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Post by jrswanson1 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:48 am

I'd take my Arsenal in 5.45, less recoil, faster follow ups, cheap effective ammo, extremely reliable with surplus mags. Only downside is no reloadable brass.

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Post by BHP » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:50 am

Either would do.

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by AS556 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:51 am

Jim I agree with you on all counts the only reason I would not take a 5.45 is that once your ammo is out it is most likely out for good.
7.62x39 is foreign but there is domestic production and it is a very popular caliber throughout the country.

I'm jealous of your Arsenal, btw...

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Post by cssims » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:34 am

Whichever I can get my hands on that has plenty of ammo nearby. I can like both! (I never thought I'd ever say I liked an AK until I bought one.)

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by gelgoog » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:13 pm

AK47Heaven wrote:Jim I agree with you on all counts the only reason I would not take a 5.45 is that once your ammo is out it is most likely out for good.
7.62x39 is foreign but there is domestic production and it is a very popular caliber throughout the country.

I'm jealous of your Arsenal, btw...
Once you run out of any caliber it is unlikely you are going to find any more. People love to have ammo commonality because they think they can scavenge more, but in truth if you are finding ammo during the PAW then you are also going to find the firearm they went with. It is more important to find a caliber you like and stock up on it, then decide to get something else because you think it will be easier to scavenge for.

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by misanthropist » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:41 pm

Whatever you've got ammo for.

This question, IMO, is the equivalent of asking, "if you have minimal experience fishing, and you're starving in the woods and you come upon a lake with trout in it and you could only have one fishing rod, what would you want, a Fenwick or a Trevala?"

Who cares? You are focusing on the hardware when the problem is software. Go get yourself a fishing rod and get good at fishing. Eventually, you will develop a preference between two main options because you will like some aspects better on one of them and it will suit your needs slightly more.

An average, amateur guitarist, who doesn't play in a band and isn't all that great, maybe plays his guitar 3-6 hours a week. That's enough to be a mediocre guitarist. It's not enough to be great.

An average shooter shoots a few hours a month, aimlessly, with no particular focus on running drills. This is the equivalent of picking up a guitar once a month, and noodling around for a couple of hours, having never had a single lesson in how to play. How good a guitarist is someone who is taking this approach? That's right.

The average shooter SUCKS at shooting.

Forget the hardware questions. Worry about software.
DocGKR wrote:.45 ACP is much easier to stop with armor than the smaller, faster 9 mm. On the other hand, the larger mass of .45 ACP allows it to do much better against windshields than 9 mm. What is optimal all depends on your likely engagement scenarios.

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by Charra » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:46 pm

My question is why people insist on beating the dead horse of AR vs AK, they're two COMPLETELY separate and different rifles.

The AK will always be more reliable.
The AR will always be more accurate.

It all comes solely down to personal preference, I prefer the AK because I have no need for shooting beyond 200 yards and I don't care for the AR's ergonomics.

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Post by UndeadInfidel » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:59 pm

misanthropist wrote:Whatever you've got ammo for.
Agreed here. I'd run whichever I had the most ammo for.
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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by hatchtrikk » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:21 pm

Charra wrote:
The AK will always be more reliable.
The AR will always be more accurate.

Not so much...


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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by Charra » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:35 pm

hatchtrikk wrote:
Charra wrote:
The AK will always be more reliable.
The AR will always be more accurate.

Not so much...


EDIT: Here you go- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzfm4pYhIyY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by TheLastRifleMan » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:44 pm

Not this old re hash again!

So far this one had been civil. Let's keep it that way.
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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by hatchtrikk » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:46 pm

So we have an accord? :lol:
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Post by TheLastRifleMan » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:49 pm

hatchtrikk wrote:So we have an accord? :lol:
No, but it seems threads like this end in arguments where someone tries to make their strong opinions known, for good or bad, usually bad.
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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by hatchtrikk » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:55 pm

TheLastRifleMan wrote:
hatchtrikk wrote:So we have an accord? :lol:
No, but it seems threads like this end in arguments where someone tries to make their strong opinions known, for good or bad, usually bad.

Sorry to get off topic. :oops:


OT: I guess if I could only have one, it would be my AR. Ammo and mags weigh a little less.
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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by TheLastRifleMan » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:13 pm

hatchtrikk wrote:
TheLastRifleMan wrote:
hatchtrikk wrote:So we have an accord? :lol:
No, but it seems threads like this end in arguments where someone tries to make their strong opinions known, for good or bad, usually bad.

Sorry to get off topic. :oops:


OT: I guess if I could only have one, it would be my AR. Ammo and mags weigh a little less.
No problems. Here is an example of being off topic:

M-1 Carbine for the win!

Back on topic: Both are good choices. Both have their strength and weaknesses.
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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:30 pm

*Looks at 6.8 AR with 400 rounds...Looks at 7.62 VEPR with 500 rounds...Looks at Super Enforcer with 300 rounds...Looks at Eberlestock Gunslinger II...*

Why choose one, right? Now I've got two long-arms and a sidearm! Who needs food right?
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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by Necrodamus » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:06 pm

AK47Heaven wrote:-Fast zombies
-Headshots required
-Society has completely gone to shit
Given these parameters...
use what you have!
Personally I think Joerg sling shot would be better.
Ammo is everywhere, sufficient force to stop the threat.

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by Charra » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:24 pm

Didn't mean nothin' by it, just posting a video I thought would couple well with the AR video and show off the strength of both.

I respect the AR, but love my AK.

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by misanthropist » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:26 pm

Charra wrote:


Not that that is a particularly useful standard...but here is a Colt which fires 4-500 rounds after catching on fire.

Got anything else?
DocGKR wrote:.45 ACP is much easier to stop with armor than the smaller, faster 9 mm. On the other hand, the larger mass of .45 ACP allows it to do much better against windshields than 9 mm. What is optimal all depends on your likely engagement scenarios.

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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:51 pm

And it's a pissing contest once again. You're all mad because you know your newfangled semi-automatic rifles pale in comparison to the pinnacle of Soviet engineering...the Mosin-Nagant!
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Post by SouthPAW » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:28 pm

misanthropist wrote:
An average, amateur guitarist, who doesn't play in a band and isn't all that great, maybe plays his guitar 3-6 hours a week. That's enough to be a mediocre guitarist. It's not enough to be great.

This is the equivalent of picking up a guitar once a month, and noodling around for a couple of hours, having never had a single lesson in how to play. How good a guitarist is someone who is taking this approach? That's right.

The average shooter guitar player SUCKS at shooting playing.

Forget the hardware questions. Worry about software.
Fixed that just a bit! :lol:

But dude, every beginning guitarist needs a '58 Strat! :roll:

As to the question of "AR or AK?"- the answer is, YES.

Musicians have an old saying, that I think applies to shooting, and everything else for that matter-
"Tone is in the fingers".

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by AS556 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:59 pm

To those acting as though this is a comparison between these two rifles in combat it most definitely is not.

The situation I have in mind is similar to the show 'The Walking Dead".A situation where you will be most likely mobile for the entirety of the crisis.

A situation where if your weapon were to jam there is no taking cover from enemy fire to clear the malfunction, the zombies will simply keep flooding in a human wave overrunning you.

I understand DI ARs are not as prone to jamming as some would believe, but all firearms jam occasionally and I would prefer to have something that generally does it less, hence the AKM.

Anyway this isnt supposed to be a debate, I intended for people to just list what they thought would be cool or suit their individual needs the best.For example an ACOG might be your ideal optic in Afghanistan but its magnification would be all but useless in the zombie apocalypse.

The point is this is not supposed to be a traditional AR vs AK debate obviously that topic has been beaten to shit 100,000 times.

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Re: In a legitimate zombie apocalypse..AR or AK?

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:38 pm

If you're talkign about an endless zombie rampage, then you have Done It Wrong from the beginning, and neither gun will suffice. What you need is a belt-fed weapon with spare barrels. In the scenario revision given, neither system will boast a great edge over the other.
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