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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by grumpyviking » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:59 am

there may be benefit in groups, at least for some people, usually the ones that cant make it on their own anyway.
but how do you know who to trust and who not to? picking the wrong people to join up with or let join you could be a fatal mistake.
not everyone in a post event world is going to be as nice or as open as you, many will only be after what they can get, the post collapse world is going to bring out the worst in people as well as, hopefully, the best.
i'd rather not have to make that decision thank you.
as for people being traumatized, they will probably be the worst, we have no idea how they will behave, and that alone could be detrimental to ones personal health and survival.
I have been around the block and I am under no illusions , I have seen some of the worst things that the human animal can inflict on others of its race and its not pretty, caution at all times will be the order of the day.
too many so called preppers treat the subject like it is a part time hobby like gardening or stamp collecting, it isn't, its deadly serious and if they don't treat it as such they might as well give up now(and many do).
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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:20 pm

grumpyviking wrote: too many so called preppers treat the subject like it is a part time hobby like gardening or stamp collecting, it isn't, its deadly serious and if they don't treat it as such they might as well give up now(and many do).
I heard there was even this one group of weirdos out in St. Louis that treated the whole thing as a big joke about Zombies. Steer clear of them, steer clear....
there may be benefit in groups, at least for some people, usually the ones that cant make it on their own anyway.
but how do you know who to trust and who not to? picking the wrong people to join up with or let join you could be a fatal mistake.
For someone who does not deal with people much, especially in important situations, this is nary an impossible task. The only way to be successful at this is to exercise that particular skill as often as possible. Exercise that skill enough and you can have better luck picking out when someone is being dishonest or not. Just ask any of your local doctors, nurses, police, lawyers and others who get lied to every day by everyone they meet under professional situations.
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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by SRO1911 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:58 pm

I'm a bit biased, since its an everyday lifestyle for me.
I live and profess, the most important skill to invest in both today, SHTF, and PAW - is diversity. Not the PC newThink diversity that is currently making the rounds - but true diversity.
The renaissance man approach so to speak, become a generalist to the best of your abilities.
Modern society has created an ever growing pressure to specialize, to segment knowledge to such a high degree of specificity that it excludes other schools of thought.
I reject this - maybe I have read too much Heinlein, or fallen flat and had to change careers one too many times.
Learn a little gardening, take a first aid class, read a book on plumbing and unclog your own sink, raise an animal from birth to freezer, watch a video and practice tying knots, cook a meal outside over an open fire, set a 7 course dinner for a loved one, change a diaper, start an IV, learn to replace an outlet, change your own oil - the list is endless.

Do not fall into the trap of saying I am XXXXX - if you think all you are is a lawyer, an accountant, a barrista, a truck driver etc. then that is what you become.

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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There is no single skill set that will guarantee survival in any situation, and no one can truly prepare for all eventualities - the best you can do is widen your knowledge base as far as possible, then when presented with a scenario exceeding your capabilities, you address those parts you understand first - and in doing so begin to comprehend the pieces you have left.

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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by Zimmy » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:23 pm

I believe one of the greatest assets would be a mastery of automechanics and fabrication. From access and performance issues in early ZPAW to parts optimization ans woodgas modification later this could be a make or break skillset not just to live but to rebuild.

I'm a well experienced millwright, but there are some genuine savants out there that can make any similar part work, brand be damned. I'm not nearly that good. An early predisposition to turbines, boilers, and big pumps hurt me quite a bit as auto tech left the '70's
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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by grumpyviking » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:31 am

i'm going on the premise there will be no fuel after SHTF, and no electric to pump it if there was any, so road vehicles will be no use apart from scavenging materials from.
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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by Zimmy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:23 pm

grumpyviking wrote:i'm going on the premise there will be no fuel after SHTF, and no electric to pump it if there was any, so road vehicles will be no use apart from scavenging materials from.
Oh Ye of little faith. Those are mere technicalities. There with be oceans of unused fuel in underground storage tanks waiting for use. The challenges will grow as they get older, true. But with skill, spare time, and ingenuity. Even old gas and diesel that no longer work for internal combustion burns like hell and could feed a boiler.

Wood gasification and alcohol from stills will run engines. Heck, even rendered zombie fat could be a biofuel.

I know we all dream of a feral hog team powered '53 Chevy chariot but we have to be sensible about the future.
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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by grumpyviking » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:30 pm

Zimmy wrote:
Oh Ye of little faith. Those are mere technicalities. There with be oceans of unused fuel in underground storage tanks waiting for use. The challenges will grow as they get older, true. But with skill, spare time, and ingenuity. Even old gas and diesel that no longer work for internal combustion burns like hell and could feed a boiler.
I read something a while back on storing fuels, general advice was petrol goes off after 6 months-gums up the carbs and the jets I believe- and diesel goes off after 12months, I know you can buy stabiliser and mix it, but I cant be bothered with all that mess, its not like i'll be going anywhere once my meagre store of fuel is used up.
my motto is K.I.S.S. as in Keep It Simple, Stupid... :lol
I reckon there will be enough people trying to hang on to their pre collapse lifestyle's, and failing, without me getting involved. :wink:
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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by Zimmy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:58 pm

grumpyviking wrote:
Zimmy wrote:
Oh Ye of little faith. Those are mere technicalities. There with be oceans of unused fuel in underground storage tanks waiting for use. The challenges will grow as they get older, true. But with skill, spare time, and ingenuity. Even old gas and diesel that no longer work for internal combustion burns like hell and could feed a boiler.
I read something a while back on storing fuels, general advice was petrol goes off after 6 months-gums up the carbs and the jets I believe- and diesel goes off after 12months, I know you can buy stabiliser and mix it, but I cant be bothered with all that mess, its not like i'll be going anywhere once my meagre store of fuel is used up.
my motto is K.I.S.S. as in Keep It Simple, Stupid... :lol
I reckon there will be enough people trying to hang on to their pre collapse lifestyle's, and failing, without me getting involved. :wink:
That's a wonderful luxury.

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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by grumpyviking » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:04 am

Zimmy wrote:
As long as my family tribe lives, I will pursue any human, mechanical, or chemical advantage to improve their chances.
"Human Advantage"...I agree, but not with mechanical or chemical, we may not have that opportunity, without the numbers to specialise we will be spending all our time putting food on the table and clothes on our backs, why struggle to try and live a lifestyle that no longer exists? the old world will be gone, let it rest in peace.
Keep It Simple is my watchword.
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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by feanor » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:09 am

grumpyviking wrote: "Human Advantage"...I agree, but not with mechanical or chemical, we may not have that opportunity, without the numbers to specialise we will be spending all our time putting food on the table and clothes on our backs, why struggle to try and live a lifestyle that no longer exists? the old world will be gone, let it rest in peace.
Keep It Simple is my watchword.
When you've done the same job the hard way for the nth time you start to think "there's got to be a better way", some go on to develop a better way and that is the flaw in your reasoning. There were reasons why these technologies were invented and why social structures formed the way they did. The loss of the solutions we have created does not make the problems go away.

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