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Post by masterbowmen » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:05 am

what skills do you think would help in a zombie apocalypse one that i think will come in really handy is blacksmithing there will be plenty of metal around and you will have time to do it.

down side its a fairly loud art.

if you have an idea why not list the pros and cons as well.

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Post by Stercutus » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:08 am

Necromancy and voodoo. Being able to communicate with and control the undead has no downside.
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Post by grumpyviking » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:48 am

keeping hidden and unobserved.
noise, smell, smoke and lights(at night) would have to be kept to a minimum, if not removed all together, all these will attract attention post event.
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Post by ineffableone » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:01 am

Well there is lots

Hunting
Gardening
Carpentry
Good camping skills (possibly bushcrafting)
communication (both in the sense of distance comms like Ham radio or signal flags etc, and interpersonal like negotiation/diplomacy or counseling etc.)
food preservation
medical

and so much more.

Of course since you know zombies are around, combat training would be pretty useful. You don't just pick up a gun, sword, or what ever and automatically know how to use it effectively against something attacking you.
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Post by rednekrampager » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:28 am

Moon shining . Nothing would be funnier to me than head shooting a bunch of drunk zombies.
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Post by grumpyviking » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:40 am

what a waste of good booze!!
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Post by rednekrampager » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:06 am

grumpyviking wrote:what a waste of good booze!!
Maybe, it would depend on what the market value of pickled zombie meat is at the time.
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Post by grumpyviking » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:55 am

even if we didn't drink it ourselves, I would have thought it would be good for barter. giving it away, especially to zombies would seem to be counter productive.
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Post by MacAttack » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:48 am

Just how far down the technological pole do you think humanity will fall?

And why do you think we will fall that far without the rest of humanity stopping the fall just by going back to work?


Long before the equipment falls apart from disuse someone will find away to start it up again.



So before you drop back and punt with an old skill like blacksmithing learn a modern skill. Or learn the skills to run a nice farm if you want something old. No one works without food.

No one skill is ever just one skill and learning just one set of skills like smithing will not ensure your survival.

If there are enough people to require a smith and keep him fed then that group needs more than a smith. They need a mechanic, a machinist, and electrician, a truck driver, or even a doctor.

I can not think of a situation were i would need a blacksmith in the first 5 years of a Z-pox. If I need a machete there are about a million out there now. I will trade for or find one. the same with any bladed tool. I could use some electric power to weld up or machine a new part for my (insert anything here) though.

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Post by grumpyviking » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:54 am

depends if its a slow collapse or a fast one. a slow one will leave more survivors, at least to begin with, but more people will use up all the "resources" more quickly, a fast collapse will leave the same amount of stuff lying about but less people so it will be used up more slowly.
there will only ever be one industrial revolution and we've already had that one, there isn't enough left in the ground to do it a second time.
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Post by RickOShea » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:55 am

Don't forget: Nunchuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills....Image
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Post by grumpyviking » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:57 am

computer hacking? after SHTF? :rofl: :crazy: :clap:
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Post by Boom40mm » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:27 pm

grumpyviking wrote:computer hacking? after SHTF? :rofl: :crazy: :clap:
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Post by masterbowmen » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:20 am

These are all fair points i only think smithing would be a good skill to have because your not limited to just weapons i know what you mean by not needing it for bladed weapons with in the first 5 years but armor would be good for zombies if they cant bit you you cant turn. Also im in australia were weapons arnt that common well guns anyway theee out there i know but id rather a blade over a gun.

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Re: what skills do you think would help in a Z.A

Post by Ad'lan » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:17 am

MacAttack wrote:Just how far down the technological pole do you think humanity will fall?

And why do you think we will fall that far without the rest of humanity stopping the fall just by going back to work?


Long before the equipment falls apart from disuse someone will find away to start it up again.



So before you drop back and punt with an old skill like blacksmithing learn a modern skill. Or learn the skills to run a nice farm if you want something old. No one works without food.

No one skill is ever just one skill and learning just one set of skills like smithing will not ensure your survival.

If there are enough people to require a smith and keep him fed then that group needs more than a smith. They need a mechanic, a machinist, and electrician, a truck driver, or even a doctor.

I can not think of a situation were i would need a blacksmith in the first 5 years of a Z-pox. If I need a machete there are about a million out there now. I will trade for or find one. the same with any bladed tool. I could use some electric power to weld up or machine a new part for my (insert anything here) though.
I'm with this POV, and I'm a flintknapper and primitive bowyer… I should want my skills to be relevent.

But for the first stages of a Z.A. they won't be, and infact, in almost any disaster, even worst case scenario, they will be of more use taught to my or others kids, rather than putting them into practice myself.


So my picks of general skills that would help: Firearm Handeling, both care and shooting, First Aid, Gardening, dealing with livestock, living in the field and living off the land. Cooking from raw ingredients.

The specialised skills that I think would help from my area of expertise: Distillation, extraction, concentration of active ingredients, quantification, a knowledge of floral pharmacology (I need to learn more of the medicine side) and common chemical processes. Chemical literacy.

You should have a broad spectrum of skills to help you survive, and the specialised skills that mean other people at least want your expertise to survive.

Also under rated are people skills, in assessing other survivors you meet, and getting along with them.
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Post by grumpyviking » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:22 am

Ad'lan wrote:
Also under rated are people skills, in assessing other survivors you meet, and getting along with them.
I hope for your sake your people skills are good, let just one wrong person inside your circle could be a fatal mistake.
personally I trust no one, that way I am not surprised when they let me down.
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Post by Ad'lan » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:38 am

grumpyviking wrote:
Ad'lan wrote:
Also under rated are people skills, in assessing other survivors you meet, and getting along with them.
I hope for your sake your people skills are good, let just one wrong person inside your circle could be a fatal mistake.
personally I trust no one, that way I am not surprised when they let me down.
Build your groups and contacts now, don't trust too soon or unconditionally and it's all a matter of potential risk.

Breaking a bone on the moors and freezing to death as a lone wolf, and with no one would to even know to look for you is just as much a let down as that moron in the second act of the film who doesn't report their bite or leaves the gate open as they rush to save their liitle zombie son from the pit trap.
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Post by grumpyviking » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:07 am

Ad'lan wrote:
Build your groups and contacts now, don't trust too soon or unconditionally and it's all a matter of potential risk.
yes, that's fine to say, but actually doing it is another thing. just getting people to come to an RV or an event is hopeless and that's in the good times.
try too hard and we get called stupid or paranoid.
and then there is always OPSEC to consider.
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Post by norcalprep » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:45 am

Depends on the length of the disruption.

Short SHTF: prob medicine and defense. You need to stay healthy and protect your people.and preps while the government attempts to return society to normal.

Medium SHTF: add bushcraft. I wouldnt include farming unless you have a large enough group as it requires individuals dedicating time and effort. You can't do it all alone. Society will eventually return, but will look different from what it used to be. Adaptability to the new normal is required. Which leads me to my final point.

Long SHTF: Leadership. It's not just getting along with others, but being effective in encouraging cooperation for mutual aid. You also don't need to be the top dog, but at least be a part of the top leadership group. In this scenario, society will not be "returning" per se, but rebuilding. This community will be the new society.

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Post by grumpyviking » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:50 am

I'm not really bothered about short term, "been there, done that, got the T shirt".
medium term, depends on the time line, but just hunker down and wait for the dust to settle, got enough preps and supplies to see us through.
Long term, or is it permanent? that would be my guess, welcome to the new normal which is nothing like the normal that went before.
trust no one until you know differently, get it wrong and it could be fatal.
leadership? hell, anyone says "i'm going to be leader(for X, Y or Z reason)" and i'm off, fast in the opposite direction, not for me, sorry.
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Post by norcalprep » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:59 am

grumpyviking wrote:leadership? hell, anyone says "i'm going to be leader(for X, Y or Z reason)" and i'm off, fast in the opposite direction, not for me, sorry.
Some who simply declares themselves leader is no different than someone who dons MOLLE gear and declares themselves operator.

Leadership skills is more than occupying some figurehead position. Be a good leader and people will follow, not the other way around. There are many many books on leadership, so I won't go into it here, but I believe that Leadership is a very important skill in a long term SHTF. In the long term, small survivor groups will start to coalesce into communities. Without good leadership, communities can fall apart from infighting, or lose focus and fall prey to external threats. You can be in a non-leadership role in the community and have less say in your own survival, or rise to a leadership role and have a hand in your own survival.

The alternative is to remain on your own, or strike out every time the community no longer tickles your fancy, but I would argue that those decisions, in the world of a long term SHTF, lessen your overall chance of survival, not increase it.

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Post by grumpyviking » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:29 am

norcalprep wrote:
The alternative is to remain on your own, or strike out every time the community no longer tickles your fancy, but I would argue that those decisions, in the world of a long term SHTF, lessen your overall chance of survival, not increase it.
in a country and county where the survival rate will be low to begin with, that is not always the case.
in any event lesser number of people means less food and water is needed, less people make less noise, smoke and waste, less people don't leave so much of a trail, and if they have to move on they don't have so much of a baggage train.
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Post by ineffableone » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:47 am

grumpyviking wrote:leadership? hell, anyone says "i'm going to be leader(for X, Y or Z reason)" and i'm off, fast in the opposite direction, not for me, sorry.
grumpyviking wrote:
Ad'lan wrote:
Also under rated are people skills, in assessing other survivors you meet, and getting along with them.
I hope for your sake your people skills are good, let just one wrong person inside your circle could be a fatal mistake.
personally I trust no one, that way I am not surprised when they let me down.
grumpyviking wrote:
Ad'lan wrote:
Build your groups and contacts now, don't trust too soon or unconditionally and it's all a matter of potential risk.
yes, that's fine to say, but actually doing it is another thing. just getting people to come to an RV or an event is hopeless and that's in the good times.
try too hard and we get called stupid or paranoid.
and then there is always OPSEC to consider.
Yes you have made it clear you don't get along with other people well, and you would rather lone wolf it.

Many other preppers however have come to realize that there is benefits in groups. From sharing security, to sharing skills, to sharing resources. A group dynamic benefits can outweigh the negatives. For a vast majority a group will be preferable.

In fact I think very few would really be able to do a lone wolf and survive. And if they did it would be less about skill and knowledge and more down to stupid dumb luck.

I do think a lot of folks need to learn it is not all about hard skills. Soft skills like leadership are just as or possibly more important. As it is soft skills that actually help bind a group together and keep them together.

Leadership is not declaring yourself leader either. It means you are a person others naturally look to for advice and direction. This might change depending on what is needed. You look to the doctor for medical leadership, but the carpenter for leadership on building a new building to house more people.

Some other soft skills,

As I mentioned earlier communication. Which can be broken up into many sub sections

As in counseling. A lot of people will be traumatized by SHTF, someone who can help people with the emotions and grief etc can be quite valuable.

Someone who is just good at mediating between different sides can also be a great benefit. When you have two people or groups on opposite sides wanting to do different things, someone who can mediate between and gain a compromise helps keep the group whole and together.

Being able to haggle and barter effectively can also be a great communication skill. Being able to get the most of your goods for other goods can benefit a group.

Diplomacy, being able to deal with other groups and negotiate mutual agreements can be a decent skill. It is likely there will be a lot of small groups that form. If you have a good diplomat you can negotiate with neighboring groups to join in mutual defense. Or even possible join into one united larger group. Or a good diplomat can keep your group from being absorbed by a larger group and help you retain your unique identity as a group.

And there is so much more that is just looking at the sub categories I would put under communication skills.

There are plenty that would not be communication.

Funny enough even something as mundane as accounting or good skills of organization of material goods can be a benefit in a group dynamic. Since it would be likely that rationing and keeping track of resources will be highly needed. Someone good at counting numbers and organizing inventory can help keep a group from starving over winter or other lean times.

Adaptability is a skill that humans are actually general designed for, but it has been conditioned out of our society a lot. People tend to not like change these days. So people who are able to adapt and accept things are different not dwelling on how things used to be will have a great advantage mentally.

Being able to follow direction, oddly enough can be a great skill. People who can follow directions, and not need to be told what to do a lot or come back and ask how to do something can be just as important as having good leaders.

and on the list of soft skills could go. While hard skills are important, don't forget those soft skills.
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