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A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:47 am
by Red Tamarillo
I've been in the Estwing rock pick anti Zombie camp recently, and even got a Cold Steel spike hawk today (after watching the now disappeared anti Zombie Cold Steel youtube vid).
In the youtube vid the spike penetrated a dead pigs skull and rebounded out because of the wooden handle very easily.

But then I remembered those cases of people who survive a spike/metal fence pailing etc... through the head. They're not doing well when the initial injury occurs but they're not dead. People like Phineas Gage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Which made me think a single strike to a Zombie's head with a spiked tool would be no guarantee to stop it functioning.
More destruction would be needed.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:25 pm
by fred.greek
Quite a few zombie stories at least imply that the bacteria/virus/??? acts on the most primitive part of the brain… the "reptilian brain"

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... iles14.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is a much smaller "target" then is presented in zombie movies as a terminating impact…

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:49 pm
by MacWa77ace
fred.greek wrote:Quite a few zombie stories at least imply that the bacteria/virus/??? acts on the most primitive part of the brain… the "reptilian brain"

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... iles14.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is a much smaller "target" then is presented in zombie movies as a terminating impact…
Yeah, that's why they can't use tools, read, speak. [But that's just one kind of Zombie.]

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Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:04 pm
by Sworbeyegib
One of those great mysteries of the universe unfortunately. How much damage, is enough damage to drop a zombie. Unfortunately we will never (hopefully) never know.

A good argument for the double tap.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:27 am
by Red Tamarillo
Yes, double tap good. Claws on a hammer are natural double tap.
Or maybe some wiggle waggle? In which case you want it to stick a little.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:40 am
by drop bear
When people kill pigs they tend to saw the knife in and out to kill the thing quicker. It would make sense to do the same with zombies.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:54 am
by Jeriah
Red Tamarillo wrote:I've been in the Estwing rock pick anti Zombie camp recently, and even got a Cold Steel spike hawk today (after watching the now disappeared anti Zombie Cold Steel youtube vid).
In the youtube vid the spike penetrated a dead pigs skull and rebounded out because of the wooden handle very easily.

But then I remembered those cases of people who survive a spike/metal fence pailing etc... through the head. They're not doing well when the initial injury occurs but they're not dead. People like Phineas Gage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Which made me think a single strike to a Zombie's head with a spiked tool would be no guarantee to stop it functioning.
More destruction would be needed.
One of my favorite moments on Deadliest Warrior was when someone used a spike to impale a skull and that doctor dude says, "That'll change his personality." And I was like, "Aww, someone else liked learning about Phineas Gage." Such an interesting case.

Hey, maybe since his getting impaled turned him into a giant dick, and zombies are already really mean, spiking their skulls will turn them all friendly like puppy dogs.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:08 pm
by Mad Mike
Spread the joy - use a 12 ga with # 4 buck for maximum coverage! :ooh:

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:25 am
by dpurgert
Well, as we all know zombies are DR 5/Slashing. Go for a machete/sword for maximum damage infliction when using "close quarters" weapons. At range, projectiles "work", but you have to be a good shot. 8-)

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:13 pm
by Wolfe4086
fred.greek wrote:Quite a few zombie stories at least imply that the bacteria/virus/??? acts on the most primitive part of the brain… the "reptilian brain"

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... iles14.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is a much smaller "target" then is presented in zombie movies as a terminating impact…
This is why a bolt/arrow would not be totally effective. That is a small triangle on the face you have to hit and transfer energy to to take down. I beleive the great Kenny B made mention of that once. :)

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:30 am
by Fugglesby
The need to affect a large part of the brain is definitely there I think. One of the main reasons that people advocate the use of .22 rounds, no? They enter the skull then rattle around and blend the brains up?
I think while a spike will definitely ensure penetration of the skull, a ball peen hammer might do more damage to a larger area and give a greater chance of hitting something vital. Or something with a faceted head, like a flanged mace.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:38 am
by Doctorr Fabulous
Fugglesby wrote: One of the main reasons that people advocate the use of .22 rounds, no? They enter the skull then rattle around and blend the brains up?
Goddammit no. Well let me roll that back, I'm sure that's why some people do, but that's because those people are dumb. Bullets do not pinball around inside the head, the urban legend is false. Further, if you want to shut down the human body, there's only one part you need to destroy. Small lump at the base of the brain, or failing that anything above the C5 in the spine will prevent any signals from being sent to any motor muscles below the neck. At that point, treat Bitey like a rattlesnake, and avoid getting any limbs near the mouth.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:57 pm
by Fugglesby
Thanks for the clarification, Doctor Fab. Should've done my fact checking. I like your name by the way :)

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:14 pm
by drop bear
MacWa77ace wrote:
fred.greek wrote:Quite a few zombie stories at least imply that the bacteria/virus/??? acts on the most primitive part of the brain… the "reptilian brain"

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... iles14.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is a much smaller "target" then is presented in zombie movies as a terminating impact…
Yeah, that's why they can't use tools, read, speak. [But that's just one kind of Zombie.]

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But unlike animals we have a really useless reptilian brain. Which is why a baby takes years to walk and a horse is standing in a few minutes.

Re: A spike to the head, may not work?

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:06 pm
by apocalypsepal
Red Tamarillo wrote:I've been in the Estwing rock pick anti Zombie camp recently, and even got a Cold Steel spike hawk today (after watching the now disappeared anti Zombie Cold Steel youtube vid).
In the youtube vid the spike penetrated a dead pigs skull and rebounded out because of the wooden handle very easily.

But then I remembered those cases of people who survive a spike/metal fence pailing etc... through the head. They're not doing well when the initial injury occurs but they're not dead. People like Phineas Gage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Which made me think a single strike to a Zombie's head with a spiked tool would be no guarantee to stop it functioning.
More destruction would be needed.
It really depends on mythology used to simulate the z-day events. In some cases, all it takes is decapitation. Other times, the body will keep moving. Are you talking solely animated corpses according to physiological norms?