Masks have worked in the past for similar diseases. Notice we have a pretty small flu season this year? The masks and social distancing is what is helping with that. If you go read up about the Spanish Flu this is playing out a lot like it. There were anti-maskers back then. Why anyone is opposed to masks is beyond me. It's not even that bad to wear one all day. I do it every day and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.tony d tiger wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:06 pmSo, when I am "out in public" and see someone not wearing a mask, I give them a wide berth. If outdoors, it's usually mutual since I too am unmasked when out for a walk (but have a bandana around my neck in case of unavoidable necessity).TheUnpossibleRalph wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:18 pmGood points and I agree there. I'm not saying these idiots don't have a right to fire off their shit cannon, but they might get other people around them riled up enough that they get punched in said shit cannon. Good point about the other societal pressures. I'm not saying always go with the crowd but it is a good survival mechanism to not piss off the entire tribe/village/town with your antics. Being eccentric is one thing and can make you endearing to others, being a horse's ass gets old really quick and wears out your welcome.RoneKiln wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:07 pmAnd for every Copernicus or Marie Curie advancing the world against resistance, we have a few hundred or thousand obnoxious jerks. Like most power in the world, a balance is best. Societal pressures do harm, and societal pressures keep a lot of negative aspects of people in line.TheUnpossibleRalph wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:09 am
True but difference there was they weren't making unsubstantiated claims about things. They observed things, formed hypothesis, tested it, etc. I'm talking about the village idiot/town drunk now given a wider audience to annoy with their patently false claims. There's a big difference between Cletus the full time drunk and part time alien abductee that "ain't gonna wear no mask because covid is made up!" and Copernicus proving a heliocentric solar system.
Social media has been used to do a lot of good. It's also let a lot of people act out without societal feedback that used to keep them in line. 24/7 Even before the loudmouth in the bar got punched out, there was a chance for him to see firsthand that he had upset someone. That reigns in a lot of people. Then his buddies might tell him to cut it out. Or someone might get in his face. There was a ton of societal feedback from the people around him even before he might get punched out.
Social media stripped a lot of those feedback mechanisms away. Right now, I feel the bad aspects in that are outweighing the good. I hope that changes and that someday I look back and think it was a silly fear.
I'm not even against social media so much that it just allows people to say things without any form of fact checking or even consequences barring something extreme like threatening someone or posting something illegal. I think it's very dangerous that mentally ill people are on there in echo chambers instead of getting help for their problems.
Price of free speech I guess.
The other problem I have is the misinformation spread right now is legit killing people by convincing people not to do things like socially distance themselves, wear masks, or even get the vaccine when it's more widely available. Anti-maskers are going to be the anti-vaxxers of next year.
My point here is that the possible civil war we are seeing here is that both sides aren't listening to each other any more. Instead they just sit in their echo chambers, egg each other on about how awful the other side is and make it a point to 'stick it' to the other side despite it having negative consequences for everyone. We're seeing Balkanization here that is ratcheting up with the new attack in Nashville. Something's gonna give and it's gonna be ugly.
Indoors I "cover up" in public - which is not often.
What are you (and the world health organization; center for disease control; FED/STATE/local GOV) basing the effectiveness of masking on - and do you recognize the walls of your own convenient echo chamber?
I think the big thing about people not wanting to wear masks is a sort of selfishness that is rampant in our current society. Egotistical people think they are too important to be arsed to wear a mask and keep a distance from each other.