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This isn't going away anytime soon folks and it just made sense to consolidate all the COVID-19 stuff in one location.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Post by HarlequinHal » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:21 pm

Report from down-South fly-over country. I made a run to restock some provisions and made it back alive...in fact, I didn't notice any difference. No roaming hoards of coughing/sneezing zombies, not even a runny nose. Shelves were well stocked and no shortages noted. The only thing unusual was that people seemed a little more aware of their surroundings and made a point not to bump into others when they could avoid it. Traffic was normal.

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Post by flybynight » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:38 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-urg ... 20833.html

CDC urges at-risk Americans to ‘take action’ by stocking up on food and medicine for coronavirus
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Post by MPMalloy » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:01 pm

FerFAL is starting to be a "Buy! Buy! Buy!" channel. He knows his stuff, but sheesh....




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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Post by Stercutus » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:44 pm

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Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:38 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-urg ... 20833.html

CDC urges at-risk Americans to ‘take action’ by stocking up on food and medicine for coronavirus
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Post by flybynight » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:11 am

My daughter works at a middle school in Wichita. Yesterday all the school employees received a email from the Co. Health and School board asking them to either consent or not to becoming health primary care volunteers to administer vaccines or medicines in the event of a pandemic or other health crisis. The email stated that in the event of a pandemic , the board has determined that normal medical outlets would be overwhelmed , requiring volunteers in the school system to administer vaccines to students, their families and public at large. The email went on to say this was not in response to the current Corona virus situation although it is coincidentally timely. Any employees agreeing to become volunteers would receive first chance vaccinations for themselves and their families .
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Post by Stercutus » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:30 am

Well TSHHTF in Italy.

The Central government in a bid to stop the virus from spreading to prisons and jails stopped prisoner visitation and prisons and jails. Prisoner visitation is of course how most prisoners get contraband in from the outside including drugs, cell phones, alcohol and whatever else the prison economy demands. They also suspended all hearings and court proceedings for prisoners. This predictably led to major riots in every confinement facility in the country. Numerous prisoners have escaped and some facilities were taken over briefly. Six are reported dead from the riots but that number will likely climb as the Italian law enforcement attempts to take control back from the prisoners. The prisons are of course over crowded and understaffed, just like prisons everywhere.

The entire country of 60M people is on travel lockdown. They have been hit especially hard with a very fast transmission rate and 5% mortality rate of those testing positive. The plan is to suspend travel until April 3.

The healthcare system has been stretched to it's breaking point. Some hospitals are setting up ICU's in corridors and ED's in parking lots. Estimates of patient loads to available beds are daunting.

It has been suggested that the reason the mortality rate is so high in Italy is that the Italy has the second oldest population on the planet after Japan. The reason that virus may have spread so fast is because culturally Italians tend to have a lot of close personal contact between friends. This does make a lot of sense to me.

On the upside, P1-Italy has recovered and is out of the hospital.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/port- ... =BBZaM5o|4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/10/ ... aly-brink/

https://www.krqe.com/news/national/pati ... -to-brink/
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

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flybynight wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:11 am
My daughter works at a middle school in Wichita. Yesterday all the school employees received a email from the Co. Health and School board asking them to either consent or not to becoming health primary care volunteers to administer vaccines or medicines in the event of a pandemic or other health crisis. The email stated that in the event of a pandemic , the board has determined that normal medical outlets would be overwhelmed , requiring volunteers in the school system to administer vaccines to students, their families and public at large. The email went on to say this was not in response to the current Coronavirus situation although it is coincidentally timely. Any employees agreeing to become volunteers would receive first chance vaccinations for themselves and their families.
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Post by Stercutus » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:41 pm

The Atlantic has a pictorial on what things look like when no one is there.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wh ... tp#image=1
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Post by RoneKiln » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:41 pm

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Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:30 am
Well TSHHTF in Italy.

The Central government in a bid to stop the virus from spreading to prisons and jails stopped prisoner visitation and prisons and jails. Prisoner visitation is of course how most prisoners get contraband in from the outside including drugs, cell phones, alcohol and whatever else the prison economy demands. They also suspended all hearings and court proceedings for prisoners. This predictably led to major riots in every confinement facility in the country. Numerous prisoners have escaped and some facilities were taken over briefly. Six are reported dead from the riots but that number will likely climb as the Italian law enforcement attempts to take control back from the prisoners. The prisons are of course over crowded and understaffed, just like prisons everywhere.

The entire country of 60M people is on travel lockdown. They have been hit especially hard with a very fast transmission rate and 5% mortality rate of those testing positive. The plan is to suspend travel until April 3.

The healthcare system has been stretched to it's breaking point. Some hospitals are setting up ICU's in corridors and ED's in parking lots. Estimates of patient loads to available beds are daunting.

It has been suggested that the reason the mortality rate is so high in Italy is that the Italy has the second oldest population on the planet after Japan. The reason that virus may have spread so fast is because culturally Italians tend to have a lot of close personal contact between friends. This does make a lot of sense to me.

On the upside, P1-Italy has recovered and is out of the hospital.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/port- ... =BBZaM5o|4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/10/ ... aly-brink/

https://www.krqe.com/news/national/pati ... -to-brink/
A couple years ago I went to northern Italy to help a loved one with health problems move. My impression was that they had excellent emergency care without really having much healthcare. There weren't really options for getting help unless we needed an ambulance (and therefore, something very easy to treat early in my home area was pushed to requiring emergency care in Italy). It's possible there are nuances to the system we couldn't figure out and the specific doctors we dealt with were full of crap and lazy. She had always been very healthy and therefore didn't know much about the medical system. Her friends certainly didn't appear surprised by our challenges either (but they also were young and athletic).

IF my perception of Italian healthcare was accurate, I would expect them to have a higher death rate than many other countries.
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Post by flybynight » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:06 pm

In U S 959 cases , 28 dead . No doubt top a thousand by tomorrow.
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Post by flybynight » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:14 pm

Harvard closes from Coronavirus fears
On Tuesday, Harvard University told its students to vacate the campus by Sunday and not return from spring break amid the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavi ... 40323.html
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Post by raptor » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:33 pm

flybynight wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:06 pm
In U S 959 cases , 28 dead . No doubt top a thousand by tomorrow.
2.9% mortality to date. Likely lower due to many undiagnosed cases.


Still an interesting (but obviously flawed analysis due to uncertain data) analysis:

The key risk group is age 70 and over as well people with underlying medical conditions. We have data on the population demographics.

15.8% of the people in the US are over age 65.

Italy on the other hand has 22.75% of its population that is is age 65 and older. (631/10149 = 6.2%)

The PRC has 10.9% age 65 and older (3024/80757= 3.7%)
South Korea has 14.4% age 65 and older (54/7513=.7%)
Japan has 25.7% age 65 and older.(10/581=1.7%)


Sources:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP ... S?view=map
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Post by Stercutus » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:45 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/health/c ... index.html

Some interesting facts in this article. It is CNN so you will have to validate your facts.
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Post by JT42 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:24 pm

raptor wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:33 pm
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In U S 959 cases , 28 dead . No doubt top a thousand by tomorrow.
2.9% mortality to date. Likely lower due to many undiagnosed cases.
And 8 recovered. Using that same kind of math that's a 0.8% recovery rate, much worse than influenza's 99.9% recovery rate.

That's why I argue that that kind of math is meaningless. Since the outcomes of 96.4% of the people are unknown we can't include or exclude them from either bin.

28 dead, 8 recovered. That's a worrying ratio. Yes, if 80% - 82% of the cases are undiagnosed (and therefore most likely recovered), that ratio will go down by about a factor between 5 to 5.6.

I was starting to get my hopes up: The number of new cases worldwide has been at or below 4000 the last few days and had even been dropping -- a sign that perhaps some of the "social distancing" actions have been helping, but then the number of new cases popped over 5000 today.

Italy is now in a "soft" (my word) lockdown -- that is, not as stringent as Wuhan was/is, but more restrictive than normal. I heard it described as the most restrictions on movement in that country since WWII.

Based on the total number of known cases, the USA is where Italy was 11 days ago. Or, using cases per capita, the USA is where Italy was 16 days ago.

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Post by flybynight » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:02 am

Walmart institutes emergency leave pay plan
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/walmart- ... 24898.html
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It's time to go to Wal-Mutt :mrgreen:

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Post by flybynight » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:49 am

Walmart institutes emergency leave plan
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... oronavirus

New York activates national guard to help contain virus spread
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/ma ... oronavirus
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Post by Stercutus » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:53 am

Italy announces 25B EUR package to fight virus. Note this is about three times what the US has allocated but includes paying for rent and essentials for people on travel restrictions without resources.

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/ital ... 61137.html
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Post by wee drop o' bush » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:10 am

I had my annual Asthma review today, it went like this:
Asthma Nurse “your Asthma is great, your peak flow is exactly as it should be and you are compliant in taking your two inhalers and your Montelukast; I see no need for you to worry about Covid19. What are your asthma tiggers?”
Me “The cold virus”
Asthma Nurse “I’ve just put in a special request for an Rescue Dose of Antibiotics and Prednisone”
Me “THANK YOU”
I have to phone tomorrow morning to find out if one of the GPS has agreed to do this, they’ve seen me with a cold virus asthma exacerbation, so hopefully they will.
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Post by Ioannes » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:24 pm

interesting...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/its-j ... spartanntp

I had a feeling something like this would come out. I've felt the virus was already out before populations outside China were taking any precautions.
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Post by Confucius » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:38 pm

Italy reported more deaths today than the worst day in China


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