COVID-19 Chat Thread

[majorhavoc]

OK. This thing is going from bad, to alarming to seriously weird.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/a-dog-i ... firms.html

[TN-Shooter]

haha why would you have believed that every walk-in clinic in the country was closed

That's awesome

None of us believed it. That is why several ZS'ers fact checked it. That is one of the things we do here.

I never said all walk-in clinics in the US. Just the UCs. I was going off something that was sent to me. I will do better fact checking next time.

[MPMalloy]

From Bloomberg:

China Manufacturing Plunges, Trump Ready for Worst: Virus Update

What the Coronavirus End Game Will Look Like

The Cognitive Bias That Makes Us Panic About Coronavirus

[norcalprep]

So there are 4 cases of community spread now:

2 in California -- Solano County, Santa Clara County (https://www.kron4.com/news/santa-clara- ... firmation/)
1 in Oregon -- Elementary school teacher in Washington County -- (https://katu.com/news/local/watch-live- ... oronavirus)
1 in Washington -- High school student in Snohomish County (https://katu.com/news/local/two-new-cas ... ish-county)

I guess the incubation period is starting to wear off and people are feeling bad enough to start getting tested. I'm going to guess the confirmed count will increase a lot soon. I have family and friends in all three of those geographic regions. I might have to stop reading the news (other than local in case I need to pull my kids out of school) to keep my sanity in the upcoming days/weeks.

[Ever]

So there are 4 cases of community spread now:

2 in California -- Solano County, Santa Clara County (https://www.kron4.com/news/santa-clara- ... firmation/)
1 in Oregon -- Elementary school teacher in Washington County -- (https://katu.com/news/local/watch-live- ... oronavirus)
1 in Washington -- High school student in Snohomish County (https://katu.com/news/local/two-new-cas ... ish-county)

I guess the incubation period is starting to wear off and people are feeling bad enough to start getting tested. I'm going to guess the confirmed count will increase a lot soon. I have family and friends in all three of those geographic regions. I might have to stop reading the news (other than local in case I need to pull my kids out of school) to keep my sanity in the upcoming days/weeks.

I know what you mean. Sometimes it can get crazy-making.

[FlashDaddy]

So there are 4 cases of community spread now:

2 in California -- Solano County, Santa Clara County (https://www.kron4.com/news/santa-clara- ... firmation/)
1 in Oregon -- Elementary school teacher in Washington County -- (https://katu.com/news/local/watch-live-6-pm-oregon-officials-announce-first-presumptive-case-of-novel-coronavirus)
1 in Washington -- High school student in Snohomish County (https://katu.com/news/local/two-new-cas ... ish-county)

I guess the incubation period is starting to ...

More news coverage of new U.S. cases:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsands ... obal-level

[MPMalloy]

[MPMalloy]

[CG]

I'd argue that it is probably time that this thread should drop the "Wuhan" portion of the title. Not just that it has reached a global scale, but while "what was the catalyst for this outbreak" will undoubtedly be a question for the history books to analyze, we should still avoid stigmatizing an entire region which likely had little to do with its origin and has yet suffered the most from it.

I am not so sure about that. Even if the government research facilities there had nothing to do with it, it was still the conditions in their markets that allowed it to leap over to humans. Perhaps research should be done in how to prevent that in the future?

[woodsghost]

I'd argue that it is probably time that this thread should drop the "Wuhan" portion of the title. Not just that it has reached a global scale, but while "what was the catalyst for this outbreak" will undoubtedly be a question for the history books to analyze, we should still avoid stigmatizing an entire region which likely had little to do with its origin and has yet suffered the most from it.

I am not so sure about that. Even if the government research facilities there had nothing to do with it, it was still the conditions in their markets that allowed it to leap over to humans. Perhaps research should be done in how to prevent that in the future?

Just my opinion, but I don't think "research" is needed. I think "cultural changes" are needed. I think it's pretty clear what needs to change and I think there is no interest in changing. It is tough to change something which has been happening for thousands of years and change cultures and values which are thousands of years old. Not "impossible," but pretty difficult. Although if any places *could* accomplish that, it would be China or North Korea.

[MPMalloy]

I'd argue that it is probably time that this thread should drop the "Wuhan" portion of the title. Not just that it has reached a global scale, but while "what was the catalyst for this outbreak" will undoubtedly be a question for the history books to analyze, we should still avoid stigmatizing an entire region which likely had little to do with its origin and has yet suffered the most from it.

I am not so sure about that. Even if the government research facilities there had nothing to do with it, it was still the conditions in their markets that allowed it to leap over to humans. Perhaps research should be done in how to prevent that in the future?

Just my opinion, but I don't think "research" is needed. I think "cultural changes" are needed. I think it's pretty clear what needs to change and I think there is no interest in changing. It is tough to change something which has been happening for thousands of years and change cultures and values which are thousands of years old. Not "impossible," but pretty difficult. Although if any places *could* accomplish that, it would be China or North Korea.

The DPRK & CoVid-19 are starting to appear in my channels.

[MPMalloy]

From NPR: MAP: Which Countries Have CDC Travel Advisories Because Of Coronavirus

[flybynight]

I'd argue that it is probably time that this thread should drop the "Wuhan" portion of the title. Not just that it has reached a global scale, but while "what was the catalyst for this outbreak" will undoubtedly be a question for the history books to analyze, we should still avoid stigmatizing an entire region which likely had little to do with its origin and has yet suffered the most from it.

I am not so sure about that. Even if the government research facilities there had nothing to do with it, it was still the conditions in their markets that allowed it to leap over to humans. Perhaps research should be done in how to prevent that in the future?

Just my opinion, but I don't think "research" is needed. I think "cultural changes" are needed. I think it's pretty clear what needs to change and I think there is no interest in changing. It is tough to change something which has been happening for thousands of years and change cultures and values which are thousands of years old. Not "impossible," but pretty difficult. Although if any places *could* accomplish that, it would be China or North Korea.

IMO it's not cultural or regional values. People have to eat. And things another area or culture find unacceptable is moot. There's too many humans. When there's too many of a species nature finds brutal ways of lowering the population. The only way to stop something like this would be to ban all travel and commerce permanently . And that can't happen. Nature is going to find the vulnerabilities . Disease, famine or a chemical imbalance in the brain from overcrowding that causes crazy behaivior

There's too many rats in the cage

[Confucius]

First US death, in WA state


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER9kU_sWoAA ... me=900x900

[absinthe beginner]

Coronavirus outbreak: All the latest updates

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/ ... 14773.html

Panic buying strips store shelves as people stockpile amid coronavirus outbreak with one woman turning her basement into a 'supermarket' and a man buying a YEAR'S supply of food which includes 192 tins of SPAM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... panic.html

[MPMalloy]

From Military Times: Containment, cancellations and quarantines — the Pentagon’s latest plans for dealing with coronavirus

From Military Times: CENTCOM suspends leave and liberty for troops over coronavirus fears

[Stercutus]

Poor Tokyo. They worked so hard to get the 2020 Olympics. If the games are not straight up cancelled then doubtful anyone will be there.

[moab]

I live next to LAX. The disease portal of the entire US. So I am concerned about these things. I don't know how many thousands of people cycle thru our town to and from the airport in a given day. But it's a lot. And they are from every corner of the earth.

I haven't read this entire thread. But I have to be honest. I'm not prepared for this.

One thing this has done for me. Is kick my ass in gear about prepping. I am not prepared for a long stay at home. Trying to convince the wife is another matter. But I spent several hours in the garage with our bug out gear. That had been organized into boxes. But not yet put into the packs. I got two out of three packs loaded. And the garage somewhat straightened out. Which was a big job. As I've been concentrating on working on my bug out vehicle. And things were all over the place. Not to mention Christmas stuff was dug out from under a ton of boxes.

a lot of the preps that have been on the list for far to long are going to get purchased. Water containers will get purchased. Dry goods. Everyone has good warm clothing and good boots. Packs. And everything you could need for a bug out. Enough dried food and MRE's to last us a week or so. I need to plan for more if we end up bugging out with our Jeep.

But all these years I've been concentrated on bugging out rather than bugging in. And this is one of those maybe you'll have to bug in for a while type of things. That I honestly never considered. I never thought much about a pandemic. And not being able to get out. I just always thought we'd leave asap. And get out of this basin of 25 million people. Who knows maybe we would if it got bad enough. For the immediate long term it appears as if we will be sheltering in place. If this thing gets out of control.

So even if nothing happens. Some good will come of it. More people will prep. And do a better job at their efforts. I have.

[absinthe beginner]

Coming soon to a Costco near you.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/meanw ... ing-begins

[NT2C]

[Stercutus]

The jury is still out on the Mad Cow thing. The American Red Cross still won't take my blood.

It won't be the virus that (likely) kills you. It is everything else that will make the world suck for a while. If you die from an unrelated infection in a hospital because your hospital can't get supplies from China you are still dead.

[Confucius]

This is what worries me:

Status of the cases in Italy:


From top to bottom:

Deceased (2.6%)
Intensive Care (9.3%)
Symptomatic in Hospital (35.5%)
Home Quarantine (48.1%)
Recovered (4.4%)

Even if most of those symptomatic folks could just be symptomatic at home in a wider outbreak, assuming some of them need to be hospitalized + 9.3% in ICU? That's enough to just totally overwhelm any medical system in a wider outbreak. Things could get nasty. This isn't the end of the world or anything, but it's starting to feel more and more like this could be a big deal. Make sure you've got supplies for a home quarantine, and potentially to be without medical care for a while...

[Stercutus]

The estimates I have seen range from 25M-100M dead by the end of 2021 worldwide. To put it in perspective that is about 100 to 800 years worth of flu deaths at current world rates.

So yeah, kind of a BFD.

This is assuming no effective vaccine is developed, produced and distributed in a timely manner.

[Evan the Diplomat]

I live next to LAX. The disease portal of the entire US. So I am concerned about these things. I don't know how many thousands of people cycle thru our town to and from the airport in a given day. But it's a lot. And they are from every corner of the earth.

I haven't read this entire thread. But I have to be honest. I'm not prepared for this.



a lot of the preps that have been on the list for far to long are going to get purchased. Water containers will get purchased. Dry goods. Everyone has good warm clothing and good boots. Packs. And everything you could need for a bug out. Enough dried food and MRE's to last us a week or so. I need to plan for more if we end up bugging out with our Jeep.

But all these years I've been concentrated on bugging out rather than bugging in. And this is one of those maybe you'll have to bug in for a while type of things. That I honestly never considered. I never thought much about a pandemic. And not being able to get out. I just always thought we'd leave asap. And get out of this basin of 25 million people. Who knows maybe we would if it got bad enough. For the immediate long term it appears as if we will be sheltering in place. If this thing gets out of control.

So even if nothing happens. Some good will come of it. More people will prep. And do a better job at their efforts. I have.

Hi Moab. Relax. There has been no interruption to power or water in Wuhan. So while it is always good to prepare for needing those in other emergencies, you can move it down the list.

Listening to westerners who are still in Wuhan, the biggest issues are food, income and boredom. Food is being delivered, both prepared and groceries, through a complex drop off routine. So getting flour, salt, sugar and yeast can keep you fed after the bags of sliced bread are off the shelves. I'm planning on 30 days of food for a family of six. Vegan or vegetarian recipes because those are easy and can be made with dried beans, rice, lentils and canned vegetables.

Look at the Earth 2 experiment. They had to figure out how to get maximum nutrition out of the minimal amount of food when their plants started to die off.

If you have the ability to beef up your cash reserve, do it, because your workplace may close. Also, if your employer has to shut down, will you be charged PTO? Discuss this with your employer now!

Have kids, who is going to look after them if school closes? Do they have access to computers for tele-school, streaming lectures and exercise web sites. By the way, can your dial-up modem support all those users at once?

Have Netflix or Hulu or Amazon Prime? Get them. Make sure you have books, playing cards and board games. You may have to become a kid again having tea parties with your daughter or playing pirates with your son.