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not actually a chest rig, but not a bad option.

I don't know how many around here keep their ear to the gear industry, but I ran into this little guy the other day on a 10-hour internet gear-binge;
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscou ... bandolier/

well I liked the idea but I wasn't about to drop coin on something I hadn't tested (and I think enough of us got suckered into shitty 12-gauge bandoleers in out high-school days to know the shame that comes from crappy gear).
so what did I don instead? Damn straight I whipped up my own.
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actually pretty comfy, fits the curve under the arm better then I thought, and the mags retain well and pull free with a good downward tug right into a solid beer can grip.
Also swings around behind out of the way for better concealment/comfort or to back up a chest rig.
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but I couldn't stop there...I remembered seeing pictures of all the cool crap people had managed to stuff in those Blue-force-gear elastic chest rigs and wanted to see what applied here:

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yes the draw is a little awkward, and re-holstering requires two hands, but the concept is sound. I think if you custom tailor it, you could mount a kydex insert in the slot and have a legitimate carry option.

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further tailoring could give you pistol mags as well, rounding out the usual second line gear (albeit at the bare minimum).

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so what black magic did I use to make this? if you want to whip up your own I recommend Rockywoods.com, buy 2 yards of any 2" nylon webbing you like (I used seatbelt webbing from my local gear store) and 1.5 or 2" elastic (all the cool kids rock coyote brown). a 2" buckle rounds out the deal for quick ditching and donning.
the magic spacing is 3" more or less for P-mags (aluminum mags are too slick), and about 2" for pistol mags (don't actually know, thats a guess).

and for all you op-sec, face-and-blood-type blurring-outy folks, don't read my P-mag labels, they'll give away the location of my secret fortress.

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Very interesting.

I doubt I would set it up quite the same way, but its something to think about for my active shooter setup. Guess its time to set up my sewing machine.

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I kinda dig it. 2.0 could be even better


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And by version 2.0 I mean...

heavier or double layer nylon base.
90 degree joint at the lower connection
adjustable tension on each "compartment"

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Shaper wrote:
And by version 2.0 I mean...

heavier or double layer nylon base.
90 degree joint at the lower connection
adjustable tension on each "compartment"



stiffer webbing is not a bad idea, but too stiff and it won't conform. I considered the 90 degree idea, but in my previous bandoleer experience this did more harm then good, and also hurts the adjustability. as for adjustable tension, I think these are cheap and easy enough you are much better off making several, each made for the different gear. I"m not sure how you'd do it either, elastic doesn't really like ladderlock buckles very much and velcro wouldn't hold tension.

what I liked about Grey Ghosts design is its simplicity, start adding to it and you risk going were blackhawk went:
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full steam into fail bay.

chest rigs are better in almost every way, except for weight, speed to don, price, and concealability.

were I think this would really shine is the "loaner rig." say you've got a few ARs and tons of mags, but you don't want to drop coin on redundant load bearing gear (say you have a good universal rig, like one with HSGI tacos or the like and only need one). well you can only shoot the one gun at a time, so why not pass them out to friends and family? they need something better then pants pockets to hold mags, and a $10 bandolier is better then the $100 chest rig they don't have.

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Kind of like our old tanker rig chest holster from back in the day on steroids!


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I really like it...but I don't run p mags :cry:

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Nice - I enjoy seeing your DIY posts.


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Really cool rig. Thanks for posting! I prefer these small rigs and have been looking to get something simple like this.

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I think this is an awesome idea that anyone can make to suit their own needs.

I might put a plastic stiffener between layers of 2" nylon. I wonder if I can get this to work with steel AK mags.

Another project to develop for testing at MilCopp!

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How hard is it to put the rifle magazines back in when you are in a hurry? You may want to incorporate a dump pouch for them so you dont waste time fumbling about. Go through your reloading action multiple times to work out the best location for a dump pouch so its 1 less thing to thing about when you're up shit creek without a paddle


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For the purpose of this rig, a dump pouch is a no-go, IMO.

The purpose of this bando is to carry a few mags in a minimalist, unobtrusive way.

If you want a dump pouch(and I always do), wear it on your belt, or just drop empty mags into your shirt.

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I was thinking along the lines of this
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when needed turns into this
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I love the look and simplistic design. It looks like it could take a licking and still hold up. All of my hunting and fishing gear is the same way and it's paid dividends to me so far.

As far as the pistol however, that leaves something to be desired for me. I can just see when pulling the mags out the bottom that the system could flex and you'd end up sweeping some part of your body with the muzzle with only a piece of webbing over the trigger guard.

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it looks like a belt over your shoulder. am i missing something?


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Dshk wrote:
I was thinking along the lines of this
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I still don't think it should be on the bando, though. It'll be easier for righties to use on the left belt.

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tried AK mags, too slick and heavy. Locking lugs grabbed a little but main problem was retention.

I agree the pistol is far from optimal at this point, a pistol in normal concealment position would be better anyway (unless it's really concealed and hard to get at)

as for dump pouch, I wouldn't retain in any situation I'd wear something this minimal, this is more of a grab-on-the-way-out-of-the-car-because-you-heard-gunshots, not a parachutes-on-the-horizon scenario. if shits real, grab a chest rig. or a plate carrier. or a ride out of town.

personally the main thing I'll use this for is storing extra p-mags so I can grab them all at once, if I need to refill a chest rig I'd rather have them in something I can throw over my shoulder then swimming in the bottom of a duffle bag.

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...this is more of a grab-on-the-way-out-of-the-car-because-you-heard-gunshots...


Is this a function of your present occupation? If not, stay in the car and GTFO. Running around with a gun when shots have been fired is a quick way to really confuse the police, which could be bad. Just saying for you or anyone else it may apply to.

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^^^^ yep.

The bandosash (is that its name now?) looks good, kinda reminds me of Heat with the mag pouches sewn into their suit jackets. I like the idea of loaner gear, but giving firearms to people without training is always sketchy. Having a couple rolled up in the mag can couldn't hurt, especially the 6 mag one for a pouch recharge

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...this is more of a grab-on-the-way-out-of-the-car-because-you-heard-gunshots...


Is this a function of your present occupation? If not, stay in the car and GTFO. Running around with a gun when shots have been fired is a quick way to really confuse the police, which could be bad. Just saying for you or anyone else it may apply to.


can't disagree, but everyone likes options. If you carry a gun, extra ammo isn't a bad idea but not everyone wants to keep a chest rig under their seat.

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Looks good! Have you tried jumping/running to see if anything falls out?

Seems like a decent alternative to the BFG 10Speed chest rig.

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I like the concept. Kind of makes me think of the Blue Force gear 10 speed chest Rig.


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RonnyRonin wrote:
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...this is more of a grab-on-the-way-out-of-the-car-because-you-heard-gunshots...


Is this a function of your present occupation? If not, stay in the car and GTFO. Running around with a gun when shots have been fired is a quick way to really confuse the police, which could be bad. Just saying for you or anyone else it may apply to.


can't disagree, but everyone likes options. If you carry a gun, extra ammo isn't a bad idea but not everyone wants to keep a chest rig under their seat.


Are you saying you think running into an active shooter situation, visibly armed and without police ID is a good idea? I wasn't arguing with your gear, I love the idea. I was merely pointing out a flaw in that tactic as I believe it applies to most people.

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Are you saying you think running into an active shooter situation, visibly armed and without police ID is a good idea? I wasn't arguing with your gear, I love the idea. I was merely pointing out a flaw in that tactic as I believe it applies to most people.


no I'm more saying that was an out-of-my-ass example and shouldn't be taken too literally. I'd agree that the 'Merican image of the lone gunman-hero saving the day with his trusty AR is both dangerous and unrealistic, but this isn't "Things-that-could-actually-happen Squad," take your depressing dedication to safety and realism elsewhere!

but if for any outlandish reason a person is defending themselves with a rifle (uncommon as it is) extra mags can't hurt.

as for the jumping up and down, you can get them to slip with VERY vigorous slamming jumping jacks, but it takes a lot of dedicated repeated impacts to dislodge them, the bando actually coming off your head is a more likely issue (or bouncing up and slamming full mags into your ribs).

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