Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

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Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by gillis » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:59 pm

I have a Maxpedition Pigmy Falcon II pack that I sewed extra molle style webbing to. I have a buddy at work that suggested that I strengthen the stitching with superglue? Does anyone have experience with this or know of a better glue or epoxy to use? Perhaps something that wouldn't leave a white bubbly film afterwards?

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by northernxposure » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:14 pm

Superglue (aka CA glue) dries brittle, something I'd not want on fabric personally. The reason it turns white/bubbly is because of excessive moisture when the glue sets. You can avoid this by doing the gluing in a relatively dry area or using an accelerant to speed the set time before the moisture can get into it.

Epoxy will hold, but again it drys hard and needs to be worked into the fabric a bit to bind the surfaces.

Silicon works great, but it can change fabric's texture and color sometimes.

My recommendation is to just sew the links like you want, and secure the ends with something like GOOP or shoe-goo between the webbing/fabric layer and then sew the layers together. If sewn correctly, it's completely unnecessary. If not, well, it'll hold - and be ugly, but it'll hold.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by gillis » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:31 pm

northernxposure wrote:Superglue (aka CA glue) dries brittle, something I'd not want on fabric personally. The reason it turns white/bubbly is because of excessive moisture when the glue sets. You can avoid this by doing the gluing in a relatively dry area or using an accelerant to speed the set time before the moisture can get into it.

Epoxy will hold, but again it drys hard and needs to be worked into the fabric a bit to bind the surfaces.

Silicon works great, but it can change fabric's texture and color sometimes.

My recommendation is to just sew the links like you want, and secure the ends with something like GOOP or shoe-goo between the webbing/fabric layer and then sew the layers together. If sewn correctly, it's completely unnecessary. If not, well, it'll hold - and be ugly, but it'll hold.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by Frank » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:48 pm

use fabric specif glue like this stuff
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specific for clothing, it has a great level of strength and flexibility
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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by Bad Penny 08 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:21 am

There are any number of tent seam sealer or industrial textile adhesives that would be significantly better.

I would suggest employing your best Google-fu.
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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by roscoe » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:32 am

I have used sho-goo successfully.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by Necrodamus » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:15 am

Why not use kevlar thread to start with, shouldnt need to strengthen afterwards.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by stimpy321972 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:13 am

Back in the day when I made a ghillie suit, I reinforced the stitching with a hot glue gun, it worked great
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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by HCH » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:16 am

Another great thread is 80# spiderwire. It fits in the eye of a needle and is tough.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by aa1pr » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:42 am

A trick that I used when repairing a leather holster was to rub some bee's wax into the thread prior to the sewning process.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by mikieg » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:37 am

super glue will make the nylon brittle and it will break like a piece of plastic. epoxy will do the same thing. if you were to try to glue the material together and then try to sew it, you are going to have big troubles. the glue will make your needle bind up your string. it really wreaks havoc on your sewing machine! god help you if it gets down into your bobbin case.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by KnightoftheRoc » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:58 am

Use a thread that is the same material as that which you are sewing. This way, it can remain flexible, and will be of approximately equal strength as the cloth. Having your stitching stronger than the cloth means that, should something break the join, your cloth is what gives out, not the much easier to replace stitching. Gluing with anything that makes the cloth stiff or brittle is just asking for that to be the weak point, and again, it makes for a bigger hole, which you now have to repair. Again.

Personally, I'd rather replace the stitching several times than have to repair a big hole in the cloth, which would likely not be as strong as the original fabric.
aa1pr wrote:A trick that I used when repairing a leather holster was to rub some bee's wax into the thread prior to the sewning process.
An excellent waterproofer, which will help keep the natural fiber threads from premature rot.
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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by feuer » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:00 am

Superglue is probably too brittle.

I've used hotglue with mixed results, it can dry out and crack.

Shoegoo is awesome stuff, and i've used it on two ghillies and a pack with no further issues. It's water resistant and stays fairly flexible.

Tent seam sealer should work well too, but i've never tried using it for anything other than tent repair.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by Biggin » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:02 am

I made mag pouches and actually used super glue to attach the fabric belt loops. That was around 6 months ago, they still work fine and haven't failed.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by gillis » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:19 am

Excellent tips here. Thanks guys. Nice thought on the Kevlar string Necro. I'm stuck with glue for now since I have already sewn it. I'm not talking just molle webbing. I have sewn all kinds of stuff on it.. Pics to come later. For the record the string I am using is off of a CheaperThanDirt German sewing kit order. The string is pretty tough although I don'k know the # break rate.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by joekaveh » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:47 am

Necrodamus wrote:Why not use kevlar thread to start with, shouldnt need to strengthen afterwards.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by TAB » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:53 pm

I am putting together some MOLLE/PALS webbing as well, and I am not going to use any glue. I don't feel it is necessary. A midwidth buttonhole stitch alone or flanking a straight stitch should suffice. I'm using 69 strength nylon thread and a #18 denim needle.
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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by Omega Storm » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:37 pm

+1 on the Kevlar. Countycomm sold me mine and I have used it to sew a lot of stuff that needed to stand up to lots of wear.
When I made my ghillie cape and cover some years back I used all-purpose indoor/outdoor Amazing Goop. Dries clear, stays flexible, mildew resistant, and UV stable. They don't sell that exact kind anymore but I think the sport & outdoor is what they replaced it with. Anybody used the new stuff? I still have a few tubes of the old i/o stuff so I haven't had to try the new kind out.
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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by Biggin » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:59 pm

I used the kevlar thread from countycomm to fix a hole in my pillow where stuffing was coming out.

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Post by Squirrley » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:36 pm

Or, you know, you could just learn to sew :roll:
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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by tjsjr » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:05 am

I'm gonna say NO!!
Last week I got some super glue on a pair of cargo shorts, by they end of the day I had a hole instead of a glue spot.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by TAB » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:49 am

tjsjr wrote:I'm gonna say NO!!
Last week I got some super glue on a pair of cargo shorts, by they end of the day I had a hole instead of a glue spot.
Discovered when I was 11: Superglue + styrofoam cup = nuclear meltdown :shock:
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Post by tjsjr » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:39 am

TAB wrote:
tjsjr wrote:I'm gonna say NO!!
Last week I got some super glue on a pair of cargo shorts, by they end of the day I had a hole instead of a glue spot.
Discovered when I was 11: Superglue + styrofoam cup = nuclear meltdown :shock:
I didn't have any tape or elmers so I super glued paper together and it got warm and a fume clound showed. Works good in ace of a bandaid though.

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Re: Superglue to strengthen custom sewing / molle webbing etc?

Post by congochris » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:36 am

aa1pr wrote:I cover my junk with shoe goo.
:shock: Ouch.

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