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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:01 am 
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So I'm putting together a pack (literally, manly art of sewing) for general, every day use. It's a one-strap that I can tighten snug to my body for maximum freedom of movement and small enough that it won't be a hindrance in extremely tight quarters. I have a large pack for long trips/heavy gear. This one's going to be for day to day use, trips to the range, and 'missions' where a larger pack would be a hindrance. As much as I love straps and buttons, I don't want anything loose that a north Korean-zombie-terrorist might be able to snatch while I'm trying to get away. So, it'll be heavy duty zippers only. I am going to cover the outside with molle webbing in case I absolutely need to attach gear to it, but generally I want to stow everything inside. Now, in keeping with this minimalist theme I want a minimal load of gear. Everything in it needs to either fill at least one vital role or a bunch of lesser roles and be as small and light as possible. I need space leftover too, in case I'm scavenging the wasteland and come across a stash of radiation free beef jerky. So far I'm thinking:

Basic tool kit (pliars, screw driver with multiple bits, utility knife, roll of electrical tape)

Basic first aid kit (bandages, iodine, antibiotic ointment, aspirin, exam gloves, survival blanket)

Water bottle (yes, with water in it)

Lighter/matches

A few feet of paracord

Food (like two small packs of granola bars)

Spare phone charger

That's all I got at the moment. Any suggestions on other items to add? Anything I mentioned that really isn't worth taking?

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:01 pm 
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For a basic tool kit I'd throw in a leatherman or similar to replace the listed tools, it will do 99% of what the separate tools will and take less space.

For phone charging I'd throw in a battery pack as well. I use a fuel+ because it does pass through charging (surprisingly not many do that) so you can plug the battery pack into the wall adapter then plug the phone into the battery pack and charge both. I use a slightly larger tablet spec'ed 120v to USB so there is enough power to charge the pack and phone at the same time.

I'd add pen/pencil/sharpie and small notepad, a small flashlight (AAA or 2AAA LED Maglight is sufficient).

Add some firestarter, a small ziplock with dryer lint or something to help get a fire started.

I'd also sew MOLLE into the back of your pack and make the strap removable. This way you can make a layered approach. I have a small minimal bag like this which can either attach to the outside or fit inside my main pack.

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:37 pm 
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Agree with Eugene. Ditch the separate tools and go with a multi tool.
Flashlight
Sunglasses
Fixed blade knife ( you can go name brand expensive or cheap . Amazon is filled with cheap priced knives Pick one with lots of good reviews)
phone charger
small radio
water bottle
water purifier
compass
small first aid kit
sturdy gloves
pen & pad
paracord and duct tape
coke can stove is small and easy to make ( but will require small container of fuel .) or small wood gas stove
couple energy bars
couple coffee packets ( or hot chocolate )
couple of instant soup packets
Pistol
holster
box a ammo
small amount of cash

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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I didn't include my pistol and spare mag in my minimal bag since I carry it separately.
Add some change too, a couple $ in quarters to use a vending machine.
If you have space a spare pair of socks in case you step in a puddle.
I carry separate from first aid a couple caffeine pills, you could keep those with the energy bars if you want.

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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eugene wrote:
I didn't include my pistol and spare mag in my minimal bag since I carry it separately.
Add some change too, a couple $ in quarters to use a vending machine.
If you have space a spare pair of socks in case you step in a puddle.
I carry separate from first aid a couple caffeine pills, you could keep those with the energy bars if you want.


Where do you get caffeine pills and how do you take them? I mean how many mg before you get shaky?

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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moab wrote:
eugene wrote:
I didn't include my pistol and spare mag in my minimal bag since I carry it separately.
Add some change too, a couple $ in quarters to use a vending machine.
If you have space a spare pair of socks in case you step in a puddle.
I carry separate from first aid a couple caffeine pills, you could keep those with the energy bars if you want.


Where do you get caffeine pills and how do you take them? I mean how many mg before you get shaky?



Gas stations, Walgreens, Walmart etc. NoDoz are the most recognized name brand. Usually the recommended dose is equal to a cup of coffee, so you can figure tolerance from there.

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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yossarian wrote:
moab wrote:
eugene wrote:
I didn't include my pistol and spare mag in my minimal bag since I carry it separately.
Add some change too, a couple $ in quarters to use a vending machine.
If you have space a spare pair of socks in case you step in a puddle.
I carry separate from first aid a couple caffeine pills, you could keep those with the energy bars if you want.


Where do you get caffeine pills and how do you take them? I mean how many mg before you get shaky?



Gas stations, Walgreens, Walmart etc. NoDoz are the most recognized name brand. Usually the recommended dose is equal to a cup of coffee, so you can figure tolerance from there.


Oh. I didn't know that was in those. Good to know. I use 5 hour energy sometimes. But pills are a lot easier to pack.

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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eugene wrote:
I didn't include my pistol and spare mag in my minimal bag since I carry it separately.
Add some change too, a couple $ in quarters to use a vending machine.
If you have space a spare pair of socks in case you step in a puddle.
I carry separate from first aid a couple caffeine pills, you could keep those with the energy bars if you want.

I included the pistol in the bag because I want room for it for if I take it off

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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i center my gear around a torch, poncho and water. The idea being i can probably walk a couple of days if i can see and am not getting rained on. Which should get me out of most trouble.

Now i add to that ppe. (Gloves, Mask, Goggles.) So if it is some really crap disaster I am not carving myself up climbing over broken glass or breathing asbestos.

Then first aid, then camping type stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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Here is my adventure bag load out. Not much stuff overall but covers lots of the basics. Not meant to be a full BOB.


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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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Ditch the electrical tape for duct tape.
Poncho.
Single wall stainless water bottle.
Lifestraw.
Way to make fire.
Swap the tools for a good multi tool.
Petzl headlamp.
Mora fixed blade knife.
Paracord, fishing line
IFAK and booboo kit.

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Fox40 whistle
Bandana
Fiskars scissors
Contractor trash bag
Almond butter and a granola bar / clif bar

Everybody else hit the other stuff I carry...

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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I'll actually support the separate tools approach, I gave up on traditional multitools quite a while ago.

Chief problem I found was needing two tools for one job and only being able to use one or the other; classic example is needing a screwdriver to turn a bolt and the pliers to hold the nut. Very rarely do I need the leverage of a full sized multitool either so I now carry a small angled driver with a full set of bits (won't find allens and torx on many multitools either) and very small key chain pliers. Since the bits and driver are in my frame bag or backpack I also keep a single philips and a stepped, multi sized wrench with a flat head at one end on my keychain. the pocket stuff is all smaller and lighter then a multitool and is dummy corded to my belt loop at all times. The right angle bit driver lets me reach places and turn better then any multitool I've ever owned as well.

This picture is a few years out of date, but the driver and bits have remained unchanged:

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The flat tool in the upper right is the same idea as my current pocket-wrench, but I upgraded to a much smaller version. I can't find a recent pocket dump photo but here is my keychain pliers and a very handy minimalist utility knife that I somehow misplaced:

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Solid suggestions and reasoning there...


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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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Large knife, hatchet/tomahawk, small knife, flint & steel, revolver, ammo, wool blanket, wool clothes, jerky, flour, dried foods, cook pot, way to make char cloth, snare wire. Primitive is good.


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If you are going to be scavenging the wastelands you need to push aside that fantasy that you will be making phone calls.

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 Post subject: Re: Absolute minimum
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IDK people scavenge the wastelands today then make phone calls.

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