Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

Moderator: ZS Global Moderators

Post Reply
echo83
*
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by echo83 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:57 pm

Hello all,
A while ago, I purchased a few of the German Mess Kits, as well as silverware and folding Esbit stoves. I've attached a photo for reference:

Image


Is anybody using one? Any tips, techniques, or recommended equipment to go with them?

User avatar
The Twizzler
* * * *
Posts: 933
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:47 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Dawn of the Dead
Return of the Living Dead
Location: Nashville, TN

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by The Twizzler » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:06 pm

Sorry, I have a serbian mess kit but am in the same boat I haven't used it yet.
"Oh Bother!" said Pooh, as he drew his dagger...

User avatar
Woods Walker
ZS Global Moderator
ZS Global Moderator
Posts: 9423
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:15 pm
Location: CT

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by Woods Walker » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:20 pm

I have a few. Does yours have the alky stove and windscreen stand?
Image

"There's no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing"
"Do not mess with the forces of Nature, for thou art small and biodegradable!"

Best of Woods Walker's posts.

echo83
*
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by echo83 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:43 pm

Woods Walker wrote:I have a few. Does yours have the alky stove and windscreen stand?
No, I have two kits with an Esbit for each kit. I do have windscreens stands for each; they're the folding type that come with the 3 packs of USGI cooking gel. I've only used the USGI cooking gel as a fire starter; based on my experiences with it, I consider Esbit more foolproof.

All of the reading that I've done recommends Esbit for heating water, maybe boiling soup/noodles/Mountain House/MREs. I bought these kits to do that, but also to cook over an open fire if necessary.

User avatar
bloodpet
*
Posts: 28
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 6:19 am
Location: Germany

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by bloodpet » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:15 am

I used it while in the army. It's a decent kit. We mostly used it as trays for precooked food, but occasionally we cooked in it, too. You can also make bread in it by burying it in warm coals. You can hold the whole set in one hand if you put it together right. Of course you have to "entklapper" (de-rattle) it in that case, so the enemy can't hear you. We always used our handkerchiefs for that. It's not the lightest cookware out there, but being tough and out of aluminum it's quite decent. There is no alcohol stove and wind screen for the original German version. The Swedish mess kit on the other hand has those and they should be compatible, because the Swedish version is pretty much the same. We always used a wood fire or the official Esbit-cooker.
Suum Cuique

echo83
*
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by echo83 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:42 pm

bloodpet wrote:I used it while in the army. It's a decent kit. We mostly used it as trays for precooked food, but occasionally we cooked in it, too. You can also make bread in it by burying it in warm coals. You can hold the whole set in one hand if you put it together right. Of course you have to "entklapper" (de-rattle) it in that case, so the enemy can't hear you. We always used our handkerchiefs for that. It's not the lightest cookware out there, but being tough and out of aluminum it's quite decent. There is no alcohol stove and wind screen for the original German version. The Swedish mess kit on the other hand has those and they should be compatible, because the Swedish version is pretty much the same. We always used a wood fire or the official Esbit-cooker.

What was it like to cook with Esbit? Were you primarily heating rations, or cooking actual food?

User avatar
Woods Walker
ZS Global Moderator
ZS Global Moderator
Posts: 9423
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:15 pm
Location: CT

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by Woods Walker » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:22 am

echo83 wrote:
Woods Walker wrote:I have a few. Does yours have the alky stove and windscreen stand?
No, I have two kits with an Esbit for each kit. I do have windscreens stands for each; they're the folding type that come with the 3 packs of USGI cooking gel. I've only used the USGI cooking gel as a fire starter; based on my experiences with it, I consider Esbit more foolproof.

All of the reading that I've done recommends Esbit for heating water, maybe boiling soup/noodles/Mountain House/MREs. I bought these kits to do that, but also to cook over an open fire if necessary.
IMHO Esbit is awful though there is little to go wrong. You can make ( or buy an alcohol stove) a Pepsi can stove plus wind screen to fit that and it will boil soooooooo much faster and cheaper than Esbit. I have several of these mess kits one of which is Stainless.

These mess kits also very effective for cooking and boiling over an open fire.

Image

Image

Image
Image

"There's no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing"
"Do not mess with the forces of Nature, for thou art small and biodegradable!"

Best of Woods Walker's posts.

echo83
*
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by echo83 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:13 am

Woods Walker wrote:
echo83 wrote:
Woods Walker wrote:I have a few. Does yours have the alky stove and windscreen stand?
No, I have two kits with an Esbit for each kit. I do have windscreens stands for each; they're the folding type that come with the 3 packs of USGI cooking gel. I've only used the USGI cooking gel as a fire starter; based on my experiences with it, I consider Esbit more foolproof.

All of the reading that I've done recommends Esbit for heating water, maybe boiling soup/noodles/Mountain House/MREs. I bought these kits to do that, but also to cook over an open fire if necessary.
IMHO Esbit is awful though there is little to go wrong. You can make ( or buy an alcohol stove) a Pepsi can stove plus wind screen to fit that and it will boil soooooooo much faster and cheaper than Esbit. I have several of these mess kits one of which is Stainless.

These mess kits also very effective for cooking and boiling over an open fire.

Image

Image

Image
First off, great photos! It's awesome to see this gear in action. To your point, I'm not sure that I trust Esbit for anything more than boiling water. None of the recipes I have read begin with, "First, light a single Esbit cube."

User avatar
bloodpet
*
Posts: 28
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 6:19 am
Location: Germany

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by bloodpet » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:46 am

echo83 wrote:
bloodpet wrote:I used it while in the army. It's a decent kit. We mostly used it as trays for precooked food, but occasionally we cooked in it, too. You can also make bread in it by burying it in warm coals. You can hold the whole set in one hand if you put it together right. Of course you have to "entklapper" (de-rattle) it in that case, so the enemy can't hear you. We always used our handkerchiefs for that. It's not the lightest cookware out there, but being tough and out of aluminum it's quite decent. There is no alcohol stove and wind screen for the original German version. The Swedish mess kit on the other hand has those and they should be compatible, because the Swedish version is pretty much the same. We always used a wood fire or the official Esbit-cooker.

What was it like to cook with Esbit? Were you primarily heating rations, or cooking actual food?
You can hardly warm up a big portion of food with it. Cooking with it is not really feasible. When we cooked, we did it over a fire. We just warmed up our EPa (MRE) with it. When it was windy, even that was not always successful. You can warm up some tea or coffee, though.
Suum Cuique

User avatar
mzmc
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 261
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:17 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Started out with Resident Evil, but I got better.
Location: Germany

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by mzmc » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:42 pm

These come in green (military) and gray (civil protection).

I happen to have a gray one in my BOB. Plus one on the "de-rattling". I have mine stuffed with a few packets of tissue, to serve as napkins and toilet paper.

It's a good mess kit. Heavier maybe than modern civilian outdoor equipment, but in no way shape or form inherently different from any other nation's military surplus.

The only other piece of advice I can give is: Don't buy an original surplus utensil kit to go with it. The German utensil kit is heavy, the spoon is too large, the can opener is awful, and depending on what lowest bidder government contractor made yours, the "stainless" on it might be a lie.
May contain traces of derp.

echo83
*
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by echo83 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:03 am

mzmc wrote: The only other piece of advice I can give is: Don't buy an original surplus utensil kit to go with it. The German utensil kit is heavy, the spoon is too large, the can opener is awful, and depending on what lowest bidder government contractor made yours, the "stainless" on it might be a lie.
I always carry a P 38 can opener in my wallet, and I bought some GSI cutlery for my kits. I like how the issued cutlery is designed to nest in the pot, but I also like to keep my knife, fork and spoon separate.

Also, the size of the issued spoon is pretty ridiculous. Maybe the military wanted everyone to finish their meals in three bites?

User avatar
w3rdtoyamama
* * *
Posts: 604
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 6:30 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Resident Evil series.
Location: Central New York
Contact:

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by w3rdtoyamama » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:04 am

Bought a couple of those. Cleaned them up but havent gotten to use them yet. for what Id need, they seem like theyd work great. hence purchase.
Czechnology wrote:Lots of people enjoy saying "Move" when people complain about their local/state laws, but that's a churlish, ignorant thing to say.

User avatar
Flying Lead
* * * *
Posts: 942
Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:09 pm
Location: Alabama-Land of low taxes, lots of guns and more meth labs than you can count!

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by Flying Lead » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:32 pm

I bought a Swedish stainless kit Yeats ago and while indestructible, it's too darn heavy. Bought a Russian/East German aluminum kit last year and prefer it. If too hot it cools faster when removed from heat and weighs much less.
The optimist learns English, a pessimist - Chinese, realist exploring a Kalashnikov rifle.-russian survival website
1911nufsaid wrote:I'm not implying you, or anyone on the forum for that matter, is a 'end of world' nut job.
Woods Walker wrote:If their shit was any tighter the carbon within would be turned to diamonds.
Put me down for M14, XD45 and Pie

echo83
*
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by echo83 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:17 pm

Flying Lead wrote:I bought a Swedish stainless kit Yeats ago and while indestructible, it's too darn heavy. Bought a Russian/East German aluminum kit last year and prefer it. If too hot it cools faster when removed from heat and weighs much less.

When you cook with it, what is your preferred setup? Is there anything you tried that didn't work as well as expected?

User avatar
moab
* * * * *
Posts: 3039
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:07 pm

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by moab » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:48 pm

I prefer the Czech mess kit. Much more open for pan frying or cooking for more than one. It's still small and lightweight. But thick walls. It won't crush when it gets stepped on. Also holds alcohal and a cat stove with room to spare.

Image
"Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why would we let them have ideas?" Josef Stalin

User avatar
w3rdtoyamama
* * *
Posts: 604
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 6:30 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Resident Evil series.
Location: Central New York
Contact:

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by w3rdtoyamama » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:37 am

moab wrote:I prefer the Czech mess kit. Much more open for pan frying or cooking for more than one. It's still small and lightweight. But thick walls. It won't crush when it gets stepped on. Also holds alcohal and a cat stove with room to spare.

Image
Bought 2 of those as well. Very solid pieces.
Czechnology wrote:Lots of people enjoy saying "Move" when people complain about their local/state laws, but that's a churlish, ignorant thing to say.

User avatar
bltjr1951
* * * *
Posts: 883
Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:12 pm
Location: USA

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by bltjr1951 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:04 am

Woods Walker wrote:I have a few. Does yours have the alky stove and windscreen stand?
He’s talking about German kits, not Swedish.
Only the Swedish kit comes with stand and alcohol stove.
Also the Swedish kit doesn’t have an inside cup.
NAHC NAFC REI NRA GOODSAM SFBC MBC WWII
Fenris wrote:God-speed on all your innovative new ideas, lolz.
-fenris-
Veritas wrote:My bad, I obviously over-reacted. You are allowed to disagree without me being a douchebag.

echo83
*
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:52 pm

Re: Anybody using the German Mess Kit?

Post by echo83 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:25 am

bltjr1951 wrote:
Woods Walker wrote:I have a few. Does yours have the alky stove and windscreen stand?
He’s talking about German kits, not Swedish.
Only the Swedish kit comes with stand and alcohol stove.
Also the Swedish kit doesn’t have an inside cup.
True, and I appreciate the clarification. Mine are actually Polish, but modelled after the German mess kit. They are the two piece type without the third smaller cup inside.

Mine didn't come with a stove, either. Hence my preoccupation with Esbit.

Post Reply

Return to “Bug Out Gear”