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Looking for a GHB that can take the kit for a 50 km trek + laptop / work stuff.

Ideally not too big as I have to lug it around on a train (normal day).


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My current GHB is this one:

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/mil-tec-coyote-assault-pack-small-14002005-4046872175145.do

I chose it for the same reasons you listed, it's pretty narrow on my back, and it has some decent compression straps.

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Is there anything else specific that you need it to do? What kind of gear are you trying to carry?


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I just posted a backpack deal in the thread on bugout gear deals

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Thanks, will check it out. Presently using a 40 L Ozrak Trail.

It'll do, but it's jam packed.

I need to sort out my gear and lighten the load, too.


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I use the Direct Action Dragon Egg for that exact purpose.

https://us.directactiongear.com/dragon-egg-backpack-mkii#BLK

It's not cheap but it's a great pack and is rock solid. I expect it to last for years.


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If your 40L is jam packed, the first thing is probably to lighten the load. Lots of folks have posted bags and got advise on what to change. I have received a ton of good advice that way.

Next, a new bag could be the answer. But smaller bags have the effect of preventing us from carrying too much and pushing us to get smaller, lighter gear, or carry less (but more multipurpose) gear.

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Have a RUSH 24 https://goo.gl/kzMtUy and really like it, excellent quality made of 1050D nylon, I like the hydration pocket and side water pocket. But, what I like most are solid shoulder straps and Made in the USA !


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I use a knockoff of a maxpedition versipack jumbo as my work/ghb. Of course I only live about a half an hour walking distance from work. I use a backpack like the one above for my motorcycle adventures and manage to fit everything I need in case of emergency in it.

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If your 40L is jam packed, the first thing is probably to lighten the load. Lots of folks have posted bags and got advise on what to change. I have received a ton of good advice that way.

Next, a new bag could be the answer. But smaller bags have the effect of preventing us from carrying too much and pushing us to get smaller, lighter gear, or carry less (but more multipurpose) gear.


Yeah, I definitely had to do that and it's already better.

I basically asked myself in respect of each item : how would this be relevant to my journey home ?

Given I am aiming to be back within 24 hours, I needed to keep things for staying warm and dry and sleeping rough, but I was able to reduce the weight by a few pounds.


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I use a 5.11 Rush 24 everyday for work. Been using it for almost 3 years, maybe 4. It is super rugged and shows no real wear or tear. Highly recommend it.

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Most school bags are built to take laptops and be kind on the back. They see harsher product testing than your average tactical bag as well.


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drop bear wrote:
Most school bags are built to take laptops and be kind on the back. They see harsher product testing than your average tactical bag as well.



That sounds interesting! I would like to see some web citations for that. I did search for a while and found that places such as REI have full time jobs to test camping gear:

"REI Field Test Analyst

The Field Test Analyst (FTA) supports growth and expansion of REI Gear & Apparel by ensuring that products have been appropriately tested to validate performance in their intended end-use setting. This position researches, designs and executes formal test plans to evaluate materials, manufacturing techniques and designs. Testing primarily involves REI Gear & Apparel products. When to REI's strategic advantage, work scope will extend to other products for benchmark testing or research.

The Field Test Analyst provides expert analysis of qualitative and quantitative field test results and presents objective findings and recommendations to internal partners including Product Line Management, Design and Development. The Field Test Analyst serves as a product performance consultant for new product introductions and revisions."


Same for Columbia sports/outdoors products: http://blog.columbia.com/become-product ... -columbia/

North American Rescue has a lot of tactical products and a whole test group to evaluate them:

NAR Developmental Testing Directorate (DTD)

"The Developmental Testing Directorate (DTD) works hand-in-hand with our developers as we test and validate our entire product line, from advanced prototyping of a new concept through the upgrade engineering of a seasoned product. We rigorously evaluate and verify the capabilities of each product within its own operational environment, including the external fielding of equipment to key targeted user groups. The recently expanded indoor testing center now includes office space, a team room and lab in addition to our existing 20,000-square-foot facility. This state-of-the-art prototyping area offers simulated, extreme high-stress conditions commonly experienced in operational environments and also serves as an educational/training resource for tactical units, test teams and organizations worldwide."

I did find generic consumer product testing information which means testing school bags for flammability, hazardous materials, etc. But not "harsher product testing than your average tactical bag" scenarios.

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teotwaki wrote:
drop bear wrote:
Most school bags are built to take laptops and be kind on the back. They see harsher product testing than your average tactical bag as well.



That sounds interesting! I would like to see some web citations for that. I did search for a while and found that places such as REI have full time jobs to test camping gear:

"REI Field Test Analyst

The Field Test Analyst (FTA) supports growth and expansion of REI Gear & Apparel by ensuring that products have been appropriately tested to validate performance in their intended end-use setting. This position researches, designs and executes formal test plans to evaluate materials, manufacturing techniques and designs. Testing primarily involves REI Gear & Apparel products. When to REI's strategic advantage, work scope will extend to other products for benchmark testing or research.

The Field Test Analyst provides expert analysis of qualitative and quantitative field test results and presents objective findings and recommendations to internal partners including Product Line Management, Design and Development. The Field Test Analyst serves as a product performance consultant for new product introductions and revisions."


Same for Columbia sports/outdoors products: http://blog.columbia.com/become-product ... -columbia/

North American Rescue has a lot of tactical products and a whole test group to evaluate them:

NAR Developmental Testing Directorate (DTD)

"The Developmental Testing Directorate (DTD) works hand-in-hand with our developers as we test and validate our entire product line, from advanced prototyping of a new concept through the upgrade engineering of a seasoned product. We rigorously evaluate and verify the capabilities of each product within its own operational environment, including the external fielding of equipment to key targeted user groups. The recently expanded indoor testing center now includes office space, a team room and lab in addition to our existing 20,000-square-foot facility. This state-of-the-art prototyping area offers simulated, extreme high-stress conditions commonly experienced in operational environments and also serves as an educational/training resource for tactical units, test teams and organizations worldwide."

I did find generic consumer product testing information which means testing school bags for flammability, hazardous materials, etc. But not "harsher product testing than your average tactical bag" scenarios.


I dunno, this looks pretty real world
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flybynight wrote:

I dunno, this looks pretty real world
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Weeeelll...yeah! Dora provides a really harsh test environment for her EDC

Dora goes on tactical jungle runs
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teotwaki wrote:
drop bear wrote:
Most school bags are built to take laptops and be kind on the back. They see harsher product testing than your average tactical bag as well.



That sounds interesting! I would like to see some web citations for that. I did search for a while and found that places such as REI have full time jobs to test camping gear:

"REI Field Test Analyst

The Field Test Analyst (FTA) supports growth and expansion of REI Gear & Apparel by ensuring that products have been appropriately tested to validate performance in their intended end-use setting. This position researches, designs and executes formal test plans to evaluate materials, manufacturing techniques and designs. Testing primarily involves REI Gear & Apparel products. When to REI's strategic advantage, work scope will extend to other products for benchmark testing or research.

The Field Test Analyst provides expert analysis of qualitative and quantitative field test results and presents objective findings and recommendations to internal partners including Product Line Management, Design and Development. The Field Test Analyst serves as a product performance consultant for new product introductions and revisions."


Same for Columbia sports/outdoors products: http://blog.columbia.com/become-product ... -columbia/

North American Rescue has a lot of tactical products and a whole test group to evaluate them:

NAR Developmental Testing Directorate (DTD)

"The Developmental Testing Directorate (DTD) works hand-in-hand with our developers as we test and validate our entire product line, from advanced prototyping of a new concept through the upgrade engineering of a seasoned product. We rigorously evaluate and verify the capabilities of each product within its own operational environment, including the external fielding of equipment to key targeted user groups. The recently expanded indoor testing center now includes office space, a team room and lab in addition to our existing 20,000-square-foot facility. This state-of-the-art prototyping area offers simulated, extreme high-stress conditions commonly experienced in operational environments and also serves as an educational/training resource for tactical units, test teams and organizations worldwide."

I did find generic consumer product testing information which means testing school bags for flammability, hazardous materials, etc. But not "harsher product testing than your average tactical bag" scenarios.



They get given to school childen. You want to destroy something give it to a child.

And I was thinking something like a caribee. Not a dora the explora.

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They get given to school childen. You want to destroy something give it to a child...--snip---



This is harsher product testing....
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...than this?
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Interesting.

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DJPrepper: glad to hear you are making adjustments. I think we would all love to see what you come up with!


teotwaki wrote:
drop bear wrote:
They get given to school childen. You want to destroy something give it to a child...--snip---



This is harsher product testing....
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...than this?
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Interesting.


Ok, I think some points are being missed.

1) school packs are not designed to carry 80 lbs (37kg) for 12-36 months on end without failure. Real military packs are sometimes designed to carry 120 lbs (55kg) for years on end.

2) but we can all agree there are some less expensive packs of questionable quality. For those packs, a year with students age 13-18, carrying 20 to 40 lbs (19-38 kg) and being rather uncaring about their possessions would be a good starting point to assess value per dollar.

3) lots of children's packs are crap. I used to work returns, and while kids can be hard on gear, the gear is not high quality.

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Ok, I think some points are being missed.

1) school packs are not designed to carry 80 lbs (37kg) for 12-36 months on end without failure. Real military packs are sometimes designed to carry 120 lbs (55kg) for years on end.

2) but we can all agree there are some less expensive packs of questionable quality. For those packs, a year with students age 13-18, carrying 20 to 40 lbs (19-38 kg) and being rather uncaring about their possessions would be a good starting point to assess value per dollar.

3) lots of children's packs are crap. I used to work returns, and while kids can be hard on gear, the gear is not high quality.


Woodsghost,

Thanks for the additional information but I don't think I missed any points about the original "product testing" assertions. Let me summarize:


I started with replying to this statement --
drop bear wrote:
Most school bags are built to take laptops and be kind on the back. They see harsher product testing than your average tactical bag as well.


Which was silly and I provided some cites related to military and commercial product testing but my questions were ignored in this reply ---

drop bear wrote:
They get given to school childen. You want to destroy something give it to a child.


All without any sort of proof. No mention of value per dollar or testing. Just a vague assertion about "destroy something".

Children are uncaring and can treat possessions like trash until the parents intervene with training. That does not equate to "harsher product testing" by any definition. Most children's packs are crap because they are meant to meet a WalMart price point and be replaced often whether the kid outgrows the pack or damages it beyond repair. "Product testing" implies a thoughtful set of goals with a feedback loop for improvements and reliability. Children's packs rely on sales numbers for their feedback loop.

The "average tactical pack" from any name brand source (5.11, LBT, etc) does undergo testing by the vendor and field testers both before and after product release.

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Another consideration is frame and suspension construction. Most school packs don't go 50km over the span of a school year and I can say we've had to buy new school packs every year (except the year my son used my Lightfighter RAID pack by Eagle Industries...it doesn't even looked used after that year and three years of duty work along with a deployment added in).

Once you get above 15-20 pounds, you really need proper suspension and some form of frame. You won't make it 50km with a floppy, frameless pack lugging 20-30 pounds around. That is where the cost will add up, but it's a serious investment if you're talking about needing to haul that much weight (or more) on your back while on foot. Bargains are great as long as you don't sacrifice quality necessary to meet your requirements and school bags really aren't in the same category, especially if you're talking 15-20 pounds-plus and 50km on foot. I would challenge anyone to do that distance with that much weight with Walmart school bag...but I truly don't believe anyone here is stupid enough to try it or at least they know it would suck beyond measure.

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teotwaki wrote:
flybynight wrote:

I dunno, this looks pretty real world
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Weeeelll...yeah! Dora provides a really harsh test environment for her EDC

Dora goes on tactical jungle runs
Image

Tests IFAKs
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Fights and gets bitten by Zombies
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Calls in arty
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Makes HALO jumps
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As well as travels the world, meets interesting people and kills them
Image


flybynight wrote:
Pretty dam hardcore :clap: :awesome: :clownshoes:


Most people have no idea about this pint-size femme extraordinaire. Suffice it to say if it's good enough for Dora, it's a helluva lot more backpack than you or I will ever need.


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I could be wrong , but I don't think that's the real Dora. :shock:

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