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Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

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Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:59 pm

I recently purchased a new backpack for use as a Get Home Bag, the bag I was using before this was a London Bridge Trading Co Light Infantry Patrol Pack (LBT-0101C-LIPP). The LIPP 3,140 ci., and weights 8.9lbs dry; this monster is made using 1000D Cordura, the workmanship and construction is rock solid. After a year of use I realized it is too large for my needs. I was in the market for a smaller pack, and after extensive YouTube videos, and browsing the Internet I decided upon Direct Action's Ghost backpack.

Many of you may have not heard of Direct Action, and neither had I before looking for a new pack. My original inquires to a smaller pack included the 5.11 Rush series, TAD Gear, Grey Ghost Gear, Tactical Tailor as well as other high-end manufacturers. I have a TAD Gear Fast Pack EDC V3 (Multicam), which I gave to my son to use at school. What I wanted was a pack between 1,500 and 2,200 cubic inches.

I liked the Rush series, but after physically handling them at a local Gander Mtn store and realized they were to sloppy. I do not mean this in their material construction or workmanship; just that the bags did not have the rigidity I was looking for, nor the organization. TAD Gear Litespeed was an option, but the price point was not something I wanted to pay; also I did not want to have to contend with all of those cinch straps all over that bag. Grey Ghost and Tactical Tailor had little to no organization, they also did not have a pack that met my outward taste or other requirements.

The Ghost is 1,922 cubic inches or 31.5 liters; 28L (1,708 ci.) for the main pack and 3.5L (214 ci.) for the organizer/beavertail pocket. The workmanship and construction after initial inspection and limited use is solid, this pack is made using 500D Cordura and enters the ring at 4lbs 10oz for the main bag and 15.3oz for the organizer or roughly 5lbs 9oz. Obviously there are lighter packs out there, but I prefer a military style assault pack with options. This pack has YKK zippers, is double stitched were needed, and uses National Molding Buckles (which have their logo on them).

What made this company and offerings stand out to me were their attention to detail, and the inclusion of features found on larger packs. For example the MOLLE webbing typically found on packs has the additional webbing sew onto the exterior panels of the pack, were as with DA they chose to use laser cut MOLLE; now I cannot honestly say there is any true weight savings to do so, but I will not need to worry about the webbing snagging on objects such as tree branches or bushes. I also will not need to seam seal the thread points to avoid fraying. It just gives the pack a smooth appearance.

In addition to having the ability to run with a 3L hydration bladder, they have side pockets to carry Nalgene bottles. I currently use a Kleen Kanteen 40oz SS bottle and this pack accommodates it no problem. If you have something larger that a KK 40oz, they gave the user the ability to expand it further; what I mean by this is, they did not include the typical elastic shock cord, but a YKK zipper for the accordion type expandability. Obviously only time will tell how much abuse a zipper will take before failing, so I truly have not decided if long-term this was a good choice.

The hip-belt is nicely padded (4-1/4"), with 2" webbing for the cinch straps; it includes the laser cut MOLLE and is removable. DA even included a "Y" shoulder harness to use with the hip-belt.

The Ghost is an internal frame sheet pack (non-removable), which is what I wanted; I do not plan on loading this thing with more than 25lbs if possible. I like how DA made the access to the rear hydration pocket (also where a removable frame sheet would go) has a 3/4 clamshell opening; I typically have seen packs with the one sided rear opening. The padding for airflow is aggressively firm, and initially actually felt uncomfortable. Now after a couple of weeks use my back has grown accustomed to it.

Organization is similar to if not almost identical to what other manufactures offer; think of Camelbak style organizer/admin pockets. The organizer pouch is removable and can be mounted to any MOLLE compatible pack (it includes its own straps ). I would like to even say it would be possible to use as an E&E pouch/bag, if so inclined.

Now I wanted a smaller pack for the intended purpose of getting home, three out of five days the distance to home is 8.3 miles; on the other two days the furthest I will have to travel is 16.2 miles. I always attempt to prepare for the worst case scenario; so in that mindset, an event such as an EMP/CME disabling my vehicle would mean I am hoofing it home. During the spring/summer, I do not feel it will be an issue to walk home, but fall/winter time may be more problematic. I always wear weather appropriate clothing, but dependent upon the amount of snow or low temperatures and wind; life would be unpleasant.

With the short distance out of three days I do not really require much gear other than weather appropriate clothing and a source of hydration. Hydration is not necessary per say, I have hiked that distance at a moderate pace and even further without hydrating; but was dehydrated by the time I reached my destination. For the other two days, I will definitely need water and possibly the ability to resupply along the way. Along my route home for all days, I parallel the same water source so I have included methods to purify from that source. Food is not necessarily needed, but I did include protein bars, and one MRE; for no one knows what their day leading up to that moment will be like, I may have not eaten all day, and decide to stop and take some nourishment. Shelter is the same scenario, I hope to not need to shelter anywhere, but I have included a USMC reversible tarp, SOL sport utility blanket, and SOL emergency Bivvy; justification is that I may be injured or due to weather I may be unable to progress to home.

On the way I have a Condor Tactical T&T pouch which will arrive this Thursday; this pouch will be a great addition to an already well organized pack.

Below is the packing list for my GHB, please take a look and please feel free to let me know what you think; or if you feel I should substitute one thing for another, or simply remove an item. Please include a justification, and if it is persuasive enough I may just take your advice.

Thanks for looking.

Get Home Bag - 18.42lbs

Direct Action Gear GHOST - 1ea
Organizer Pocket/Beaver Tail - 1ea

Contents - 14.17lbs

Survival Kit - 1.3lbs
Pelican Case 1020 - 1ea
Matches, Hurricane - 20ea
Band, Ranger 1" x 3" - 2ea
Bag, Zip-loc 8"x 8" - 2ea
Line, Fishing 25' - 1ea
Saw, Metal Ring Emergency Wire - 2ea
Mirror, Signal 2" x 3" - 1ea
Fire starter Magnesium/Ferro Combo - 1ea
Whistle, Emergency ACR - 1ea
Can Opener P38 - 1ea -
Blade, Razor - 1ea
Needle, 3" (Pyramid Shape) - 2ea
Needle, 2-1/4" (Round Shape) - 2ea
Needle, 2-1/8" (Pyramid Shape) - 2ea
Needle, 1-1/2" (Round Shape) - 2ea
Compass, Brunton Smoke Jumper - 1ea
Wire, Snare 25" - 2ea
Knife, Pocket - 1ea
Katadyn Micropur MP1 - 2ea

Hydration - 2.69lbs

Filtration Unit - 11.3oz

Pouch, Coyote Nylon - 1ea
Pouch, Nasco Whirl-Pak 6" x 8" - 6ea
Filter, Coffee (Cone Shape) - 12ea
Battery, CR123 3V - 4ea
Manual, Instruction MSR MiOX - 1ea
Salt, Rock (MiOX Purifier) - 1ea
Strips, Safety Indicator - 1ea
Purifier, MSR MiOX Water - 1ea
Katadyn Micropur MP1 - 2ea

Container(s)

Kleen Kanteen 40oz - 1ea
GSI Glacier Cup - 1ea
Camelbak Longneck Reservoir 70oz - 1ea
Camelbak MSR In-Line Filter - 1ea

First Aid - 7.2oz

Adventure Medical Kit UL .5

Bandage Materials

Pouch, Aloksak 4-1/2" x 7" - 1ea
Gloves, Surgical (L) - 3ea
SAM Finger Splint - 1ea
Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, 1" x 3" - 7ea
Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, Knuckle - 3ea
Bandage, Butterfly Closure - 2ea
Bandage, Conforming Gauze, 2" - 1ea
Bandage, Conforming Gauze, 3" - 1ea
Dressing, Gauze, Sterile, 2" x 2", Pkg./2 - 2ea
Dressing, Gauze, Sterile, 3" x 3", Pkg./2 - 2ea
Dressing, Non-Adherent, Sterile, 3" x 4" - 1ea

Blister / Burn

AMK Blister Medic (Separate) - 1ea
Chapstick Original - 1ea

Instrument

Safety Pins - 3ea
Splinter Picker/Tick Remover Forceps - 1ea

Medication

After Bite Wipe - 2ea
Antihistamine (Diphenhydramine 25 mg) - 2ea
Aspirin (325 mg), Pkg./2 - 2ea
Ibuprofen (200 mg), Pkg./2 - 2ea
Acetaminophen (500 mg), Pkg./2 - 2ea

Wound Care

Antiseptic Wipe - 6ea
Alcohol Swab - 2ea
Tape, 1/2" x 10 Yards - 1ea
Skin Tac™ Topical Adhesive, Wipe - 1ea
Triple Antibiotic Ointment, Single Use - 2ea

Shelter - 3.19lbs

SOL Emergency Bivvy - 1ea
USMC Reversible Tarp 80" x 90" (6'8" x 7'5") - 1ea
SOL Sport Utility Blanket 60" x 84" (5' 7') - 1ea
Cord, Bungee (USMC Tarp) w/2 Biners - 1ea

Food - 1.13lbs

Cliff Bar - Coconut Chocolate Chip - 1ea
MRE - Penne w/Vegi Sausage Crumbles in Spicey Tomato Sauce - 1ea
Mints, Lifesaver Wint-o-Green (12ea) - 1ea
Energy Sheets, Berry Blast (Caffeine) - 2ea
Flatware, Guyot Designs Micro Bites - 1ea

Hygiene - 8.6oz

Wipes, Wet Ones - 1pg
Toothbrush, Travel - 1ea
Toothpaste, Travel Colgate - 1ea
Lotion, Suave Advance Therapy - 1ea
Container, Q-Tip - 1ea
Towel, McNett Tactical w/pouch - 1ea

Fire - 8.6oz

Lighter, Mini Bic - 1ea
Fire Starter, Spark-Lite - 1ea
Matches, Storm Proof UCO (24ea) - 1ct
Fatwood - 1ea
Stove, Vargo Ti Hexagon Wood Stove - 1ea

Illumination - 8.8oz

Headlamp, Petzel TacTikka + Camo - 1ea
Batteries, Energizer AAA (4ea) - 1ea
Flashlight/Mini Lantern Combo, Ozark Trail - 1ea
Chemlight, Blue (8hr) - 1ea
Chemlight, Orange(12hr) - 1ea
Flashlight, Streamlight Nano - 1ea

Tools - 9.7oz
Sharpener, Gerber Pen - 1ea
Multi-Tool, Leatherman Crunch w/Sheath - 1ea
Dagger, Push Gerber w/Sheath - 1ea

Miscellaneous - 2.87lbs

Hot Hands Body & Hand Super Warmer - 2ea
Hot hands Insole Foot Warmers - 1ea
Liner, Trash bag 30gal - 1ea
Tape, Electrical 1" x (+/-) 50" - 1ea
Tape, 100mph 100ft - 1ea
Bag, Aloksak (Assorted) - 1ea
Cord, 550 100ft - 1ea
Heater, MRE - 2ea
Charger Wall Samsung Micro - 1ea
Cable, Charging/Data Garmin Fenix - 1ea
Speaker, JBL BT - 1ea
Rite-n-Rain Field Flex Book 980-T-Kit w/Mini Screwdriver - 1ea
Marker, Staedtler Permanent (Fine) Black - 1ea
Marker, Staedtler Permanent (Fine) Red - 1ea
Space Pen - 1ea
Flash drive (8gb & 16gb) & Whistle w/Compass - 1ea

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Contents of pocket between main bag, and organizer pouch (not pictured)

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Content Listing:

http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma54tandtpouch.aspx
http://directactiongear.com/packs-and-bags/pl-gst-cd
http://www.pelican.com/us/en/product/wa ... dard/1020/
http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-Micropur- ... B000R2ND6O
http://www.skdtac.com/MSR-MIOX-Purifier ... sr.102.htm
https://www.kleankanteen.com/products/w ... =914738851
http://www.gsioutdoors.com/glacier-stai ... p-pot.html
http://www.lapolicegear.com/casthyexfisc.html
http://www.amazon.com/CamelBak-Quick-Li ... B0061KVKMK
http://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/me ... ght-5.html
http://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/fo ... c-kit.html
http://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/su ... bivvy.html
http://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/su ... anket.html
http://www.amazon.com/USMC-Woodland-MAR ... B0087SEOZY
https://www.mcnett.com/tactical/micro-terry-towel#69025
http://www.amazon.com/Guyot-Designs-GD- ... B002YMJ3BO
http://www.vargooutdoors.com/hexagon-ba ... nCevkorKM8
http://www.petzl.com/en/Sport/SPECIALIZ ... nCe5UorKM8
http://www.streamlight.com/product/product.aspx?pid=141
https://www.leatherman.com/crunch-1.html
http://www.knifecenter.com/item/GB30000 ... mer-sheath
https://loksak.myshopify.com/collection ... /aloksak-7
https://loksak.myshopify.com/collection ... /aloksak-8
https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the- ... 07272.html
http://www.jbl.com/bluetooth-speakers/J ... nk#start=1
http://www.riteintherain.com/universal- ... ther-pen-2
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by dunamis » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:32 pm

That's some nice looking kit!

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:53 pm

dunamis,

I appreciate your response, just out of curiousity; I imagine you could do a similar type pack, what would your price for something like this be. I feel sorta guilty now for not contacting you; for your merchandise is top shelf too.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by majorhavoc » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:55 pm

That Direct Action Ghost pack looks really nice. Some quality construction and design details from what I can see from your pictures.

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by Tobias05 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:41 am

Love the built in side water bottle pockets. Much cleaner looking than my Rush 12 with two 5.11 water bottle pouches attached.

Very nice kit!

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by dunamis » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:48 am

PWA2600 wrote:dunamis,

I appreciate your response, just out of curiousity; I imagine you could do a similar type pack, what would your price for something like this be. I feel sorta guilty now for not contacting you; for your merchandise is top shelf too.
No reason to "feel guilty", just because I post on here doesn't mean I'm the only guy around who makes gear! :D I appreciate the compliments.

Truth is, I make all of my own gear. I do not have another manufacturer making my designs (although, I think I found a Chinese knock-off recently online using my company name and photos of my actual gear!) Each item is made one at a time to the customer's exact specs (unless they want a standardized version.) This takes a bit longer and a little bit more effort is involved, but I also get to be my own quality control so there is no room for doubt when I ship an item out!

Because of the fact that my company is practically microscopic and that I don't buy materials in large quantities like big manufacturers do, I spend more on each item I'm making. This all comes out in the price tag at the end. So, as the saying goes, it takes money to make money. But, making money isn't my priority. I only charge what I have to in order to stay afloat. My main priority is making versatile, tough and extremely useful gear!

I think you got a good pack, though I have no experience with Grey Ghost. I know another of their packs (Lightweight Assault Pack) is made by Tactical Tailor and is basically the exact same pack as MilSpec Monkey's Adapt pack (which is actually just a variation of a pack originally designed, or at least manufactured, by Tactical Tailor under a different name - Removable Operators Pack.) This is what you get a lot of in the industry, people license out variants of a design and companies slap a new name on it and there you go!

Guess there's nothing wrong with that, if that's how you want to do it. As for me? I'm going to keep on my grind coming out with all original and inspired designs built from the ground up! :clap:

There's a good chance that one you got was made by First Spear as the laser cut MOLLE channels is their innovation (same guys that make a lot of Hill People Gear's stuff.) Unless they licensed another manufacturer to produce it.

Here's a peek at a prototype I made and traded to my buddy Ben. (The last 2 pictures Ben took. I particularly like the one with the axe attached!) This isn't a 72 hour pack, but it serves nicely for EDC and can piggy back onto a bigger ruck to be detached for E&E, scouting/recon, bushcrafting or just whatever you need a day pack for.

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(My bad. After going on this long tangent, I now realize you did not buy a Greyghost Gear pack but a Direct Action pack called Ghost. Oops!)

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:31 am

duanamis,

Much appreciated! I always wondered how and why other manufacturer's had similar if not identical style packs. The pack you traded is a fine specimen; I really like the organization inside the main opening! Options such as that is what I always wish the majority or larger producer pack makers would offer; I love organization, almost to the point of OCD. Some of my larger Mystery Ranch packs such as the Tactiplanes have similar inside pockets for organization, which are awesome! I also like how you did not include a radio/spine pocket; to me the majority of the time these types of pockets just get in the way; either being to large or not big enough. The hanging d-rings are a nice touch, someone could just hang Kifaru pullouts or other mfg's equivalent. The last photo of that battle axe with the kydex sheath are sexy! I am not sure why but kydex always gets me excited.

Keep up the quality products!

Thank you for your response too.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by moab » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:18 pm

Really nice load out, list (with weights!), and photos. Excellent post.

With your worst case scenario being 16 miles home. I'd be concerned about shelter a bit more. Middle of winter that load out is just not going to do it. IMHO. You might consider a small down bag or quilt even. I know your trying to stay light. But a blanket, bivy and a tarp is cutting a bit close in those climates in that area. I did not however notice your clothing load out. If you had say good merino wool long underwear or something heavy weight in synthetic, normal shirt and pants, a down jacket as liner, and a hard shell. You might get away with it. Or if nothing else be able to choose a lighter weight down sleeping bag. Since your clothing would make up for a lot. Just my two cents.

I guess the knife in the leatherman is the best you can do for a weapon eh? Being in NY like you are. That kind of sucks that you can't have more. Have you considered other items that might work but that are still legal? Where in NY are you? I'm assuming city. Or you might have considered a pistol.

I will say for a "grey man" set up in a big city. That's a pretty good load out. As it is small enough that folks aren't going to necessarily think you have anything more than what they might have. But again more shelter and/or clothing would be on my list. Especially a down jacket. You'll be amazed at how much warmth you can get for so little weight.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:35 pm

moab,

I appreciate you responding! The clothing loadout that I will wear during cold weather is a UA Storm Tactical Gale Force jacket (black), with a TAD Gear Recon Hoodie (black); or a TAD Gear Spectre Hoodie LRP (Coyote) with the recon hoodie. Extremity protection includes Carhart Flip-It Glove/Mitt's w/hand-warmers; or Hatch Cold Weather Gloves. Foot protection include smartwool socks. Head protection includes either a fleece beanie in either black or coyote. Level 1 clothing (silkweight) includes top and bottom in my office at my first job; I also have a set in my vehicle if I am out and about. Level 2 clothing includes the recon hoodie, as well as some grid fleece top and bottom in my vehicle; I normally wear either 5.11 or Tru-Spec trousers. Level 4 and 5 are either the UA jacket, or the TAD Gear; which will always be within arms reach, or the next room. Level 6 is my goretex (hardshell, Desert Marpat) top and bottom; which I do not carry either on my person or vehicle, it is at home. Level 7 is the PCU jacket and trousers, and is stored in my vehicle.

I have used the UA and recon hoodie for many winters here with much success; granted the distance was not more than a seven minute walk to my vehicle, so with having to walk 8 + miles would a true test to their abilities.

For needing to shelter in route to my home; I hope to have access to my vehicle to get the additional layers. With the shelter options in my GHB, I hope that the SOL Bivvy is large enough to swallow me with all the additional layers. I could attempt to test this theory, but am reluctant, due to getting the bivvy back into the small stuff sack. I may need to reevaluate that.... I do have a USMC 3 Season sleep system in my vehicle, but I do not think I would take it with me on the hike home; for it is still a large apparatus with the bivy, and seal-line stuff sack (plus it is heavy). I feel it is more a shelter in place (vehicle) option. Although I may experiment with the just the bivvy, and replace the SOL bivvy with it instead.

I am located outside of Rochester, and unfortunately at both places of employment I am not allowed to have firearms on my person or vehicle (premises); but they do allow edged tools (funny enough).

I will need to look into down clothing and sleeping bags, for I have always been told they compress down smaller than synthetic material.

Again I appreciate your response, and continue to keep ZS alive with your postings! :D

On a side-note, Amazon came through a day early, and I received the Condor T&T pouch. Overall impression of the pouch, is it is large and has ample organization (if not more than I need). QC is par for the course with this brand, there are numerous hanging threads. Areas on the back where the removable (routable) webbing, and MOLLE meet; the seamstress or whomever did not sew to the very top of the rows, just a little attention deficit I guess on their part. I will need to use seam grip on some of the areas, or attempt my hand at sewing. We will see.


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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by moab » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:57 pm

Wish I could find one of those level 7 parkas in my size - 3-4xl considering everything I'd want under it i.e. - baselayers, clothing layers etc. I've never seen anyplace with sizes that big. Although I have not done a lot of searching. I'm pretty good at finding deals. As all my damn posts in the deal thread will attest. lol.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:03 pm

moab,

That is understandable, but I can only imagine that Uncle Sam would have had to special order a XXXL, or XXXXL; and the likelihood that a soldier/marine or airman was that size would be hard to believe. If there was or is, he would be the incredible hulk. The largest I have seen is XXL

I hope you do find one sometime soon though.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by IANMCDEVITT » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:56 pm

I just had one in Ukraine, Moab, you should have seen the price on the thing. I couldn't have afforded it if I had to buy it and if I did have the money, would have instead spent it on ammo or food......not what I thought it would be though, the performance wasn't there... Not as warm with the biting wind up there. I'd just as soon get a windproof shell, a used Marine fleece, and a Target store long underwear shirt...........wait a minute, that IS what I wore! :crazy: I usually throw a Target 13 dollar zip up sweatshirt in the mix. It is a slightly bulky combination but I can pair it down for weather, and the XL fleece is big enough to hide all weapons on my belt. You are right though about sizes, we had a big South African medic, a giant, and no jacket for him. Looks like some good gear PWA, I would turn the punch dagger right-side-up, I'd be afraid with running and jumping that I'd dump it and the trade off for perceived speed isn't worth it. Now I think you need to throw something in there that helps dissuade others from TAKING that bag from you in a disaster or collapse situation (unless I missed it).

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by Wraith6761 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:33 pm

Interesting-looking bag and kit you've got there. Nicely laid out and organized, but there were some things included that left me scratching my head a bit. You've got a bunch of different size/type needles and a razor blade, for what reason? I didn't see anything suggesting emergency sewing, so I"m just wondering what the point of those would be. Same goes for the can opener (no canned goods) and the CR123 batteries when you don't seem to have anything that uses that size battery. You also stated that you're hoping to not have to really shelter anywhere, so why carry 25' of snare wire? That's usually more of an "I'm gonna be here for a while" item... I'd also be cautious of those emergency wire saws, they have a tendency to snap very easily. There are a few companies out there making the collapsible saws that are very similar to chainsaw blades, if you want to still have the compact form but still have enough durability to get through a small log or 3.

Is the MSR Miox purifier you have listed the purification drops? If so, has MSR finally come up with a bottle design that doesn't develop leaks? There for a while, the little square-bottomed bottles they were using were developing incredibly small holes in the corners that would lead to your "brand new" bottle of drops being already half-empty when you first went to use it.

How far are you talking about having to actually go? Is it just the 16 miles in one shot, or is that sustaining 16 miles a day for several days, or what? If it's just a single push of 16 miles, you've got plenty of calories to handle that. If it's multiple days of 16 miles each day, you'll need more food.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by dunamis » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:52 pm

I also have a level 7 jacket, and though it has worked well for me it has recently been demoted to the status of "work jacket". Although, I'd still rather be wearing it standing around a campfire than some of the other gear replacing it (don't want to catch sparks on the others).

When packing it, I would always roll it up into the hood. I have the size medium but it fits like an XL - all my civilian jackets and fleeces are XL and they are the same size as the level 7 jacket in medium. Mine is not the Haly's brand or Wild Things or whatever it is you have, but some other lesser known company which I believe is out of Boston.

I replaced it with a Mountain Hardwear Kelvinator jacket which I found on ebay for $70 (normally retails for $280.) He sent it from Hawaii, so I believe him when he said it is brand new. He must have bought it for hunting or skiing session elsewhere and never used it. It certainly looked be when I received it.

It is a 650 fill down jacket. The down is treated with water resistant treatment called Q-shield (Mountain Hardwear's propriety name for their WR down.)

I am still experimenting with WR down, but obviously it is lighter (jacket weighs 1 lb.) and packs smaller (compresses to the size of a cantaloupe.) I've only worn it once, but sitting outside in 40 degrees F with just a T-shirt underneath and my Goretex shell (precipitation was forecasted,) even though it was only zipped up halfway and the shell was already completely unzipped, I had to unzip the Kelvinator the rest of the way under threat of perspiring.

I always have my Goretex shell with me and it serves as a wind jacket also.

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by IANMCDEVITT3 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:14 pm

I'd like to get expensive things I guess to try them out in my BOB, but it doesn't work for two reasons. First of which is I can't really afford them right now and the Second reason is that I pack always with the premise of just dumping all my gear. Just never going back to either the hotel or area I'm staying in. Just walking away clean. Saying that, I have been carrying a spec ops brand THE Pack and it's been great.

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by dunamis » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:51 pm

Wraith6761 wrote: I'd also be cautious of those emergency wire saws, they have a tendency to snap very easily. There are a few companies out there making the collapsible saws that are very similar to chainsaw blades, if you want to still have the compact form but still have enough durability to get through a small log or 3.

Is the MSR Miox purifier you have listed the purification drops?

How far are you talking about having to actually go? Is it just the 16 miles in one shot, or is that sustaining 16 miles a day for several days, or what? If it's just a single push of 16 miles, you've got plenty of calories to handle that. If it's multiple days of 16 miles each day, you'll need more food.
100% agree on the saw advice. The wire may have secondary uses, but if you've ever actually practiced cutting wood with one you'll quickly realize it is anything but optimal. Bahco Laplander folding saw all day long over one of those.

I believe the batteries you mentioned are actually for the Miox.

I would venture to say that if you only plan on traveling 16 miles, you don't need any of that stuff. You should be able to get there with nothing more than the clothes on your back.

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:05 pm

Wraith6761 wrote:Interesting-looking bag and kit you've got there. Nicely laid out and organized, but there were some things included that left me scratching my head a bit. You've got a bunch of different size/type needles and a razor blade, for what reason? I didn't see anything suggesting emergency sewing, so I"m just wondering what the point of those would be. Same goes for the can opener (no canned goods) and the CR123 batteries when you don't seem to have anything that uses that size battery. You also stated that you're hoping to not have to really shelter anywhere, so why carry 25' of snare wire? That's usually more of an "I'm gonna be here for a while" item... I'd also be cautious of those emergency wire saws, they have a tendency to snap very easily. There are a few companies out there making the collapsible saws that are very similar to chainsaw blades, if you want to still have the compact form but still have enough durability to get through a small log or 3.

Is the MSR Miox purifier you have listed the purification drops? If so, has MSR finally come up with a bottle design that doesn't develop leaks? There for a while, the little square-bottomed bottles they were using were developing incredibly small holes in the corners that would lead to your "brand new" bottle of drops being already half-empty when you first went to use it.

How far are you talking about having to actually go? Is it just the 16 miles in one shot, or is that sustaining 16 miles a day for several days, or what? If it's just a single push of 16 miles, you've got plenty of calories to handle that. If it's multiple days of 16 miles each day, you'll need more food.
Wraith6761,

I appreciate your response to my post. I came to the same conclusion a little while ago regarding the survival kit, as well as other items. Due to it's size, I merely had that as a transferable item, that can be moved to any pack that may need it. I was originally thinking it would be nice to have for a "what if scenario", but realistically for the short distance that I would travel from location 1 (8.3 miles); something like a SK is not needed. Even for the longer stretch of 16.3 miles my main priority will be to just forge forward with maybe a couple short halts. There will not be any overnight stays for me.

Back to the needles and sewing, I was going to use the fishing line as an impromptu thread for any field repairs; although thinking over the routes that I would take, there is little chance of needing to do so. The razor blade is just redundancy as a cutting tool, albeit small. The P-38 is a survival staple, but would be more approriate for a extended Bug out or INCH scenario. The CR123 batteries are for the MSR MiOX, but have decided to stick to boiling or using the MP-1 tabs (do you know of a quicker method to purify water?). What I mean by this is, the MiOX requires a large amount of time and maintenance to get the solution correct; just so I can purify larger amounts of water. I do have the MSR in-line filter, but it would be away from my body and on if starting from location two, would most likely freeze and become unusable.

The commando/emergency saw is just an o-k tool, I have been looking into either making a handle for a jig-saw blade or getting an attachment for one of my multi-tools that allows the user to attach one (Leatherman/Gerber). But I decided that since I will not be sleeping out there, I really do not need a saw to cut bio-mass fuel for the stove. I will just substitute either wetfire or esbit fuel cubes if a fire is needed on a break for coffee or tea. I have one of the chainsaw survival saws, and I have to say it works for a while, until you pinch it; not only that it is a lot of work (to many burned calories).

The distance will only be 16 miles, so can be done in one shot. If I had a multi-day hike, I would use one of my larger packs, but I can see where you became confused.

Again Thank you for your questions and input, keep it coming!
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:10 pm

dunamis wrote:I also have a level 7 jacket, and though it has worked well for me it has recently been demoted to the status of "work jacket". Although, I'd still rather be wearing it standing around a campfire than some of the other gear replacing it (don't want to catch sparks on the others).

When packing it, I would always roll it up into the hood. I have the size medium but it fits like an XL - all my civilian jackets and fleeces are XL and they are the same size as the level 7 jacket in medium. Mine is not the Haly's brand or Wild Things or whatever it is you have, but some other lesser known company which I believe is out of Boston.

I replaced it with a Mountain Hardwear Kelvinator jacket which I found on ebay for $70 (normally retails for $280.) He sent it from Hawaii, so I believe him when he said it is brand new. He must have bought it for hunting or skiing session elsewhere and never used it. It certainly looked be when I received it.

It is a 650 fill down jacket. The down is treated with water resistant treatment called Q-shield (Mountain Hardwear's propriety name for their WR down.)

I am still experimenting with WR down, but obviously it is lighter (jacket weighs 1 lb.) and packs smaller (compresses to the size of a cantaloupe.) I've only worn it once, but sitting outside in 40 degrees F with just a T-shirt underneath and my Goretex shell (precipitation was forecasted,) even though it was only zipped up halfway and the shell was already completely unzipped, I had to unzip the Kelvinator the rest of the way under threat of perspiring.

I always have my Goretex shell with me and it serves as a wind jacket also.
dunamis,

All great points about the lvl 7 jacket, do you think a person could make it Fire Retardant? I know you can buy FR online, maybe even locally; but would be afraid of ruining the jacket. Your down jacket sounds awesome! I should look into one, and trousers. The reason I don't carry a goretex jacket or shell is due to the color or camouflage pattern; if I had a solid color that would be acceptable in a city or suburbia I would bring it. I will need to revisit this.

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by PWA2600 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:21 pm

IANMCDEVITT3 wrote:I'd like to get expensive things I guess to try them out in my BOB, but it doesn't work for two reasons. First of which is I can't really afford them right now and the Second reason is that I pack always with the premise of just dumping all my gear. Just never going back to either the hotel or area I'm staying in. Just walking away clean. Saying that, I have been carrying a spec ops brand THE Pack and it's been great.
IANMCDEVITT3,

I appreciate your response, and am glad to see you are safe and still with us my friend. Considering your line of work, and the environments you are in, it understandable with your philosophy regarding $$$ gear.

Thank you.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by Mister Dark » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:47 pm

Nice setup! With the option of the gear you have in the car, sounds like you are dialed in. The only thing I could possibly add to the conversation would be regarding the woodstove and fatwood you carry. As it is a relatively short hike, I am not sure a stove is even required, except perhaps for melting snow for water? For my ghb, I lean heavily towards low viz, and I worry that smoke could give me away if I have to hunker down overnight. So I went with a couple of esbit tabs and a UL potholder/stove. Enough to heat a liter or so of water, (less if I am working with the frozen stuff) but no annoying smoke or big flames to give me away. That's just me, however. YMMV.

...I am tempted to take pics of my kit, but it ain't as cool as yours.

Also, great writeup of a really cool lookin' pack!

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by dunamis » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:27 pm

PWA2600 wrote:
dunamis,

All great points about the lvl 7 jacket, do you think a person could make it Fire Retardant? I know you can buy FR online, maybe even locally; but would be afraid of ruining the jacket. Your down jacket sounds awesome! I should look into one, and trousers. The reason I don't carry a goretex jacket or shell is due to the color or camouflage pattern; if I had a solid color that would be acceptable in a city or suburbia I would bring it. I will need to revisit this.

Thank you.
I also scored a great deal on the Patagonia goretex jacket and pants I found new on ebay. The guy bought them at a garage sale where he reported the seller claimed they had never been worn.

They are the military versions (the jacket alone usually is priced around $300, but I was fortunate enough to obtain the set for well under $200 - and they did appear new when I received them) but are solid grey.

If you don't want camo (deals like the one mentioned above are rare) you could look at getting a civilian equivalent. There's write a few very good civilian jackets made of goretex or some other waterproof/breathable material that should suit your purpose just fine.

I'm not so sure about the FR. But it would definitely add weight to an already heavy jacket.

Also, if the water bladder is in a hydration compartment pressed directly against your back and your activity produces enough body heat, it will probably keep the water from freezing. There are many variables to this scenario, however.

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by Dragon80 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:32 am

moab wrote:Really nice load out, list (with weights!), and photos. Excellent post.

With your worst case scenario being 16 miles home. I'd be concerned about shelter a bit more. Middle of winter that load out is just not going to do it. IMHO. You might consider a small down bag or quilt even. I know your trying to stay light. But a blanket, bivy and a tarp is cutting a bit close in those climates in that area. I did not however notice your clothing load out. If you had say good merino wool long underwear or something heavy weight in synthetic, normal shirt and pants, a down jacket as liner, and a hard shell. You might get away with it. Or if nothing else be able to choose a lighter weight down sleeping bag. Since your clothing would make up for a lot. Just my two cents.

I guess the knife in the leatherman is the best you can do for a weapon eh? Being in NY like you are. That kind of sucks that you can't have more. Have you considered other items that might work but that are still legal? Where in NY are you? I'm assuming city. Or you might have considered a pistol.

I will say for a "grey man" set up in a big city. That's a pretty good load out. As it is small enough that folks aren't going to necessarily think you have anything more than what they might have. But again more shelter and/or clothing would be on my list. Especially a down jacket. You'll be amazed at how much warmth you can get for so little weight.

I agree with Moab on shelter and I saw something I could suggest from personal experience. That USMC tarp is great, but VERY heavy in way of tarps. If you can upgrade to a DD tarp, BCUSA, or a SwackShack from Survival Solutions, you will save quite a bit of weight that could go towards some added insulation that he is suggesting. Like I said, I really like that tarp, it's just overbuilt. For 16 miles that could turn into an overnighter or two nights depending on timing and the necessity to observe, insulation could serve better than that tarp.
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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by NamelessStain » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:43 am

First of all, as many have said, very good write-up. For my ideal GHB I would expect it to be 24 hours or less. I have approximately 10 miles from work to home and my AO does not get as cold as yours. So, some of the items you have included I would not add to my bag.

I do agree with the others on some form of shelter, for me it would be a goretex bivy since it rains here a lot. I would just throw down some pine boughs to get you off the ground. I might also add a poncho liner/woobie/fleece blanket depending on temperatures. A Silnylon tarp would be a possibility too.

Again, nice write-up.

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Re: Get Home Bag

Post by Wraith6761 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:37 pm

PWA2600 wrote:The CR123 batteries are for the MSR MiOX, but have decided to stick to boiling or using the MP-1 tabs (do you know of a quicker method to purify water?). What I mean by this is, the MiOX requires a large amount of time and maintenance to get the solution correct; just so I can purify larger amounts of water. I do have the MSR in-line filter, but it would be away from my body and on if starting from location two, would most likely freeze and become unusable.
Ah, ok, I was thinking the MiOX was just the drops, but it looks like I was getting it confused with the Aquamira system (which is the one that developed leaks). My mistake.
Personally, for outright purification, I go with a Steripen, it's pretty quick (less than 2 mins for a full liter). They've got a few different types, though the main difference is the type of battery it uses: CR123, AAs, or rechargeable built-in. I haven't heard much praise for the CR123 version (apparently it eats batteries pretty fast), but I've never had any issues with the AA or the rechargeable versions that I have. I switched over to the rechargeable style to save on weight (3 oz for the rechargeable vs the 10+oz of the steripen w/batteries). They also make a couple different types of pre-filters, since it works better with clear-ish water than in murky or cloudy water. We're not talking amazing .005 micron filters or anything, but it's enough to stop most dirt and debris from getting in, and they're pretty cheap too.
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