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Re: offcamber's INCH Bag and contents

Post by offcamber » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:05 am

DooooMeD wrote:A late reply to this thread, and my apologies if I'm resurrecting anything here -
My thoughts are that the IFAK is missing..... Super Glue. (I didn't see it in the listing)
I keep several unopened tubes in a plastic toothbrush holder (the two piece type for traveling). The little case is strong enough to prevent accidental crushing. The SG is good for mostly closing deep cuts [gotta leave a drainage hole], closing up small cuts, fixing holes in things, etc.

For the saw, at Home Depot, I picked up a little folding (locking) saw that uses sawzall blades. You could easily carry a pruning or demo blade and a carbide blade and have 99% of all sawing needs covered. You can also sharpen the spine of a sawzall blade to have a large fixed blade for butchering if you plan on taking larger game.

Hope this isn't too late of an addition.

ETA: link to saw: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-6- ... /202525764
It's never too late, my preps are always an ongoing adventure of trying this, ditching that kind of thing. :D I appreciate your input!

I actually need to update this thread again at some point.

I have ditched some redundant and heavier stuff as well as added some stuff via suggestions from other posters. For example the battle belt has been tossed out of the mix and I shifted over to more weight saving stuff sacks.

I also ditched the big pouch on the left side of the harness belt on the pack as it was getting in the way while hiking when I took it on an overnight to test some other stuff out.

I have also re-organized the clothing adding in a lightweight down jacket that is much more compressible/ light and layers well.

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Post by moab » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:15 pm

offcamber wrote:
DooooMeD wrote:A late reply to this thread, and my apologies if I'm resurrecting anything here -
My thoughts are that the IFAK is missing..... Super Glue. (I didn't see it in the listing)
I keep several unopened tubes in a plastic toothbrush holder (the two piece type for traveling). The little case is strong enough to prevent accidental crushing. The SG is good for mostly closing deep cuts [gotta leave a drainage hole], closing up small cuts, fixing holes in things, etc.

For the saw, at Home Depot, I picked up a little folding (locking) saw that uses sawzall blades. You could easily carry a pruning or demo blade and a carbide blade and have 99% of all sawing needs covered. You can also sharpen the spine of a sawzall blade to have a large fixed blade for butchering if you plan on taking larger game.

Hope this isn't too late of an addition.

ETA: link to saw: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-6- ... /202525764
It's never too late, my preps are always an ongoing adventure of trying this, ditching that kind of thing. :D I appreciate your input!

I actually need to update this thread again at some point.

I have ditched some redundant and heavier stuff as well as added some stuff via suggestions from other posters. For example the battle belt has been tossed out of the mix and I shifted over to more weight saving stuff sacks.

I also ditched the big pouch on the left side of the harness belt on the pack as it was getting in the way while hiking when I took it on an overnight to test some other stuff out.

I have also re-organized the clothing adding in a lightweight down jacket that is much more compressible/ light and layers well.

Couldn't agree more with your addition of a light down jacket. I call mine "the heater". Damn worth the weight. Which is almost nothing.
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Post by s.leinicke » Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:00 am

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This is my favorite warming layer personally. It's wool, it's soft, it's anti-microbial and it's decently light.

I hate to add weight to you, but I feel the first aid kit is a little anemic. If you're going for an INCH situation the tourniquet may be unnecessary. If you injure yourself bad enough to *need* a tourniquet are you going to have to to reach a place where you can get the appropriate medical attention? Would you be better off with something like a stapler to seal up serious wounds yourself (takes less time than suturing and is easier to do on yourself one handed). http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/categ ... e=nextopia I was always taught (in boy scouts admittedly) that tourniquets were dangerous if you can't get to a hospital quickly.
Hemostatics usually catch some flak on this forum for good reason, but if you have a serious wound and no hope of medical attention it's better than dying. http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/item/ ... e-Only%29-.
Also, you don't have a whole lot of back up gauze and izzys to keep fresh dressings on a wound you sustain. I feel you'd be better off leaving a wound undressed than keeping a soiled dressing on a wound until it heals. I'd throw these in. http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/item/ ... -Compliant or http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/item/ ... auze-Roll- or both. As many as you can cram in the cracks.
Since you're carrying guns you may want http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/item/ ... ALO-Seals-. Even if its an accidental discharge it may save your life.

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Post by johnnymorgan3 » Sat May 02, 2015 2:58 am

I like your bag. I'm currently working on an ICH (I'm Coming Home) bag (is that even a thing?). I call it an EDC Bag, Car Bag, Go Bag...whatever. It's been a love/hate thing as I'm constantly refining it and have spent more than I'd like to admit. I'd love to do an INCH bag some day.

What's your level of training and/or experience? Military? LEO? Any civilian training courses or experience in wilderness survival, hunting, tactical shooting?


My two cents on your INCH. I'll admit I didn't examine it in detail. First, I agree with pretty much all the advice you've already received.

Instead of an IFAK I would build a dedicated trauma kit (ie you've just been shot or stabbed) and keep it on your vest/belt. Keep all non-trauma related items out as they will only get in the way and/or get lost. I may have missed it, but it seemed that you just had the IFAK that was a combined trauma/first aid. I would also build (not buy) a comprehensive first aid kit for minor injuries and ailments. Since this is an INCH, make it robust and keep it inside the pack.

Do the mags consist of all your ammo? If so, consider packing more.

I'd be happy to help you with your first aid or trauma kits. I have five years Army (w/ two deployments) and five years LEO experience. I've been to a number of schools and trainings. Not bragging, but letting you know I'm not just an internet warrior. I will admit, I'm deficient in hunting and my wilderness survival experience amounts to what I can recall from Boyscouts.

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Re: offcamber's INCH Bag and contents

Post by ineffableone » Sat May 02, 2015 6:14 am

johnnymorgan3 wrote:I like your bag. I'm currently working on an ICH (I'm Coming Home) bag (is that even a thing?). I call it an EDC Bag, Car Bag, Go Bag...whatever.
Generally that would be called a GHB, Get Home Bag.
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Post by Jeriah » Sat May 02, 2015 1:02 pm

I was inspired by this thread to rework my INCH, specifically by adding a chest rig. Unfortunately my chest rig does not lend itself to carrying a pistol as offcamber does. I may rectify this in the future, but for now, here's what I've got:

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BATTLEBRA! Mostly for rifle mags and pistol mags, plus a multitool, CS spray, and a flashlight.

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Off to the far side is an IFAK for gunshot wounds specifically. Snivel kit is in the pack.

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Kifaru EMR. The chest rig I believe is an Army issue item.

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The red strap on the IFAK gives bad guys something to shoot at, so I'll have an excuse to use the kit. ;)
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Re: offcamber's INCH Bag and contents

Post by offcamber » Sun May 03, 2015 12:51 am

johnnymorgan3 wrote:
Instead of an IFAK I would build a dedicated trauma kit (ie you've just been shot or stabbed) and keep it on your vest/belt. Keep all non-trauma related items out as they will only get in the way and/or get lost. I may have missed it, but it seemed that you just had the IFAK that was a combined trauma/first aid. I would also build (not buy) a comprehensive first aid kit for minor injuries and ailments. Since this is an INCH, make it robust and keep it inside the pack.

Do the mags consist of all your ammo? If so, consider packing more.

I'd be happy to help you with your first aid or trauma kits. I have five years Army (w/ two deployments) and five years LEO experience. I've been to a number of schools and trainings. Not bragging, but letting you know I'm not just an internet warrior. I will admit, I'm deficient in hunting and my wilderness survival experience amounts to what I can recall from Boyscouts.
Thanks for your post, johnnymorgan3!

I'd be glad to hear your opinion (and other folks as well) about what you might put in an INCH first aid kit.

In a scenario where I am relying on my INCH bag to support me, basically the worst has happened. I have gone round and round trying to figure out what to carry at this point.. stuff that would normally be in a med kit to help a person survive until help arrives seems to be moot.

I do have a complete med kit that I carry in my car that I can pull stuff from (see below) to better equip my current INCH kit.

Also, in regard to you suggestion of carrying more ammo, weight wise I feel that 180 rds of .556 and 28 rds of .45acp is probably sufficient for my needs. I don't plan on getting in any gunfights if I don't have to, and if I can't get it done with what I've got, I probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place. :D

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Post by offcamber » Sun May 03, 2015 12:59 am

Jeriah wrote:I was inspired by this thread to rework my INCH, specifically by adding a chest rig. Unfortunately my chest rig does not lend itself to carrying a pistol as offcamber does. I may rectify this in the future, but for now, here's what I've got:
Good stuff Jeriah, thanks for posting up your recent kit!

When I first joined ZS, your gear posts were instrumental in my BOB/INCH preps.

I think I actually found this site by a pic on google about your original BOB loadout.

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Post by teotwaki » Wed May 06, 2015 1:22 pm

moab wrote:Couldn't agree more with your addition of a light down jacket. I call mine "the heater". Damn worth the weight. Which is almost nothing.
The synthetic alternatives to down such as Primaloft have improved tremendously. The Patagonia Nano Puff series is really good at less than 12 ounces and compressibility is great too.


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Post by Keith B » Wed May 06, 2015 1:40 pm

Offcamber, I've been in the market for a FAK that I could throw in the car. I want something bigger then a CLS bag, smaller then a STOMP, what bag are you using, and how does it compare size wise?
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Post by offcamber » Wed May 06, 2015 3:53 pm

Keith B wrote:Offcamber, I've been in the market for a FAK that I could throw in the car. I want something bigger then a CLS bag, smaller then a STOMP, what bag are you using, and how does it compare size wise?
Its a London Bridge Trading (1468A) Combat Patrol Medical pack.. I picked it up when they were blowing out a bunch of their ACU stuff a couple of years ago. I don't see it on their site anymore, but it looks like there are some still kicking around the around the web on ebay and such.

The pouches on the front don't come with it, I added those later. They are (X2) Tactical tailor modular med pouches, and a SO Tech Compact Individual Aid Pouch.

The LBT pack itself is pretty cool because it is fairly compact.. it measures 13 1/2"L x 8"W x 13 1/2H.

It was originally designed to attach to other gear or a pack, but has stow away shoulder harnesses to use independently as a patrol pack. It also has a stow away waist bet to use kinda like a fanny pack as well.

I use it with all the straps, etc stowed away and carry it like a briefcase. Without the pouches I added its really slim and can tuck nicely behind a seat.

Its definitely a lot more compact than a STOMP II, which has the full padded harness and waistbelt system.

Let me know if you have any more questions!

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Post by unsung » Thu May 07, 2015 7:34 am

I am a bit perplexed about INCH bags. While I do believe in grabbing everything necessary I do have concerns about carrying that much weight getting to my retreat and retaining my mobility. I can't imagine carrying 75 lbs across country. Wouldn't it be better to know your route, maybe have an alternate route, and have re supply caches along the way?

I used to have a Kifaru EMR, but I downsized to have more mobility. Am I missing something?

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Post by offcamber » Thu May 07, 2015 12:29 pm

unsung wrote:I am a bit perplexed about INCH bags. While I do believe in grabbing everything necessary I do have concerns about carrying that much weight getting to my retreat and retaining my mobility. I can't imagine carrying 75 lbs across country. Wouldn't it be better to know your route, maybe have an alternate route, and have re supply caches along the way?

I used to have a Kifaru EMR, but I downsized to have more mobility. Am I missing something?
I think you make a great point for folks trying to get to a Bug Out Location, especially if packing out of a city or urban area.

I live in a very rural part of WV on 35 acres so I have have every intention of bugging in permanently. In reality there are only a couple of scenarios that that would make me leave on foot and never come back.

This INCH a last ditch effort to stay alive when all other preps have failed, everything has gone to hell, and there really isn't anywhere else to go. I figure the odds of surviving very long in that type of situation are pretty slim anyway so a little weight will be the least of my problems, lol. :D

That said, I do I have a dedicated BOB that weighs in under 25lbs and incorporates a sidearm only. Its for getting me safely to a predetermined location like a hotel, friends house, etc (like a mandatory evacuation) that requires me to leave quickly but ultimately allows for me to return home later.

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Post by unsung » Thu May 07, 2015 7:01 pm

Understood. Hopefully someday I'll be able to say the same and be at my bug in location. Until then I think I'll keep my pack between 3000-4000, no more, maybe a slightly larger 3 Day.


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Post by moab » Thu May 07, 2015 9:05 pm

unsung wrote:Understood. Hopefully someday I'll be able to say the same and be at my bug in location. Until then I think I'll keep my pack between 3000-4000, no more, maybe a slightly larger 3 Day.


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It's really one of the oldest debates around here I'd guess, unsung. Whether or not a true PAW could ever happen. Whether or not an outfitted pack for such a thing is worth while.

Some of us are the 3 day disaster type folks. And some of us are the 3 day disaster type folks plus "what if that plan doesn't work? and your stuck out there for a longer duration.". Sometimes it's a serious consideration. And sometimes it's just a what if proposition. But to those of us that have put together INCH bags. It's a very valuable exercise. As an INCH with a few things thrown over board or stealthily stashed - can quickly become a 3 day bag. Or just a get home bag. Call it a cover your ass bag if you will. The INCH will keep you going - hopefully - indefinitely. If you have a lot of skill and knowledge to make it work. Think of mountain men from the old west. Or long range patrols. It's everything you'd need to keep going. While living off the land, scavenging, what have you.

But the INCH (the grand daddy of all loadouts) is a great place to start from. Even if all you want is a GHB or a BOB. It's an exercise in weight, ruggedness, necessity and will. Meaning the will to carry the damn thing. lol. There are some great INCH threads around here. That offer a complete well thought out list of everything you could possibly consider for any type of bag. Meaning even if you start with an INCH list - even for a GHB or a BOB - you can rest assured that you haven't forgotten to consider any one piece of gear. Cause it's all there to start with.

Sometimes you'll see things missing from BOB's. That an INCH guy has thought about cause their thinking longer term. Do a search for INCH on the forums. There are several. One even by a very experienced Special Forces guy. That has made great contributions to the board. His name is ODA226. His thread is here - viewtopic.php?f=14&t=72858&hilit=oda+inch+bag+update

Mine is here viewtopic.php?f=14&t=92004&hilit=oda+inch+updated+inch
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Post by unsung » Fri May 08, 2015 8:17 am

I will check them tonight, thanks!

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Post by johnnymorgan3 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:53 am

I know I'm necroing this, but I was thinking about you post here and thought I'd check in. How's the BoB coming along? How about the trauma kit? I recently came across thread that I'd like to share. Basically it's about BoB's being super heavy and even people that are in relatively good shape having a hard time doing serious traveling with them. The suggestion was to incorporate some sort of wheels. In addition to making life easier, it allows one to carry more.

https://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/in ... ic=35455.0

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Post by offcamber » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:23 pm

Thanks for the link, I dig the monowalker. I saw a video on one of those a couple of years ago and was impressed with its trail functionality, especially for a single pack.

I haven't done much with the INCH pack recently, its basically just sitting in the closet awaiting the PAW :D .

I've been spending more time (and money :D ) to complete the bug out bag and make it more functional with higher quality gear. It now resides in a TAG Sentinel pack (multicam of course, lol) with an additional Grey Ghost long pouch on the front lid. The internal webbing let me put a couple of mag pouches and a universal holster on the inside of the pack for my pistol to keep it out of view. I'll try to get some pics up here when I get the chance.

I haven't done much with the trauma kit on the INCH, but my wife scored me a used STOMP II for a song when she was embedded in Germany. I have been building that up as a "home" med kit for use on the farm/private shooting range. I feel better having a dedicated med kit in the house and a smaller one in the car instead of having to use one for multiple scenarios.

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Post by Redshirt » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:21 pm

My own personal thoughts, and one nitpick...

Packing a copy of your favorite inspirational short to medium story book can also result in positive morale when you are hauling that much gear to the middle of nowhere.

I didn't see any maps in your gear. Have you outlined any locations you would wish to get to should you need to use this gear and scouted them in advance?

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Post by johnnymorgan3 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:12 pm

I agree to both those suggestions.

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Post by johnnymorgan3 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:40 pm

Some other thoughts. Have a way to sling your gun across your chest and carry it that way. It doesn't do any good on your back and side saddle. Carrying in in a non-deployable position is fine if you're in an area you're 99.9% sure you won't encounter another person, but how often will you be in those places? I would imagine you have some sort of sling already, but is it easily adjustable and does it have a quick disconnect? I would recommend something that either attaches to your LBE by a single point sling on the butt-stock or a single point sling that you wear under your pack and is attached to the rifle where the buffer tube meets the rifle (there are all sort of sling mounts for that purpose). Also, incorporating a military style fanny pack. That way you're carry some more essentials on your person and your balancing out the wraith a little more towards your front. I personally like these (see link).

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Post by offcamber » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:49 pm

Redshirt wrote:My own personal thoughts, and one nitpick...

Packing a copy of your favorite inspirational short to medium story book can also result in positive morale when you are hauling that much gear to the middle of nowhere.

I didn't see any maps in your gear. Have you outlined any locations you would wish to get to should you need to use this gear and scouted them in advance?
Thanks for the book suggestion, I don't have any in paperback, I should probably put something like that in.

I have a number of e type books/guides on my phone (for use with solar charger) as backup reference, but am not dependent on them. I should put some light reading on there as well.

I do have maps/topos and a handful of proposed BOLs in my AO. I also have a family owned BOL location in Maine, but the distance w/out a vehicle is extremely problematic.

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