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http://www.ar500armor.com/plate-carrier ... rrier.html
Been looking at this plate carrier.
I remember wearing plates in the guard, crap sucked. FL is hot as hell, and the carriers we got were too bulky plus they always gave us plates that were way too big.
But I'm thinking about picking up this micro carrier with 10"x12" curved lightweight plates, obviously after a few other things are taken care of since we just got into our new house and had a baby. Thinking I could keep the carrier in the back of the car to keep my paranoia at bay, or is it really really paranoia considering recent events? :ohdear:

Regarding slick carriers, how about putting the BFG Ten Speed pouches on it? Would they be minimal enough to where you wouldn't notice it when they aren't filled with mags? Also thinking about the Snake Eater Tactical Burro pouches, but I know they have a little bulk to them when empty.

Edit: With the rise of certain violent political groups becoming more common, I think the threat of rifle attacks is rising.

Edit edit: I used to shrug at armor, so far down on the list it doesn't matter. Then I took a SHTF med class that was highly realistic, no hospital equals trauma to the torso probably equals death eventually. I also have a kid now, so I have even more reason to stick around to annoy people in this life :awesome:


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Then I took a SHTF med class that was highly realistic, no hospital equals trauma to the torso probably equals death eventually.
Please tell us about the class!

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Then I took a SHTF med class that was highly realistic, no hospital equals trauma to the torso probably equals death eventually.
Please tell us about the class!


I found the teacher through another forum, he's a local physician that is a prepper (unsure if he said he was a trauma doc or not). It's kind of a low key thing because he does it on the side and doesn't want certain things like the antibiotic information (specifically like which fish meds do what) being attached to his name because of his medical license.

It was a small class, four guys including me. Small part of it in the classroom for instruction, good part of it in the warehouse running scenarios like applying TQs while staying behind cover, recovering casualties, non combat related trauma (dumb guy on your team smashes his head open while searching a warehouse), ect.
He didn't mince words, very upfront on what medical issues we could be looking in a total SHTF scenario where EMS is not around. I had a big eye opener when we had a casualty that I treated who'd gotten shot across the stomach, causing his stomach to open up and everything to spill out. Get him evac'd and stabilized, doc says "now what?", we get to wait around and see if he lives since we don't have a surgery center or any surgeons; get the guy home to his family, give him antibiotics, stitch what we can, and wait...

Edit: It's not like it's a secret thing, it's just a "don't go blaring it" thing. I asked him if he was doing another class this year so I can have a buddy take it with me, he said he'd get back to me.


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ManInBlack316 wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:
ManInBlack316 wrote:
Then I took a SHTF med class that was highly realistic, no hospital equals trauma to the torso probably equals death eventually.
Please tell us about the class!


I found the teacher through another forum, he's a local physician that is a prepper (unsure if he said he was a trauma doc or not). It's kind of a low key thing because he does it on the side and doesn't want certain things like the antibiotic information (specifically like which fish meds do what) being attached to his name because of his medical license.

It was a small class, four guys including me. Small part of it in the classroom for instruction, good part of it in the warehouse running scenarios like applying TQs while staying behind cover, recovering casualties, non combat related trauma (dumb guy on your team smashes his head open while searching a warehouse), ect.
He didn't mince words, very upfront on what medical issues we could be looking in a total SHTF scenario where EMS is not around. I had a big eye opener when we had a casualty that I treated who'd gotten shot across the stomach, causing his stomach to open up and everything to spill out. Get him evac'd and stabilized, doc says "now what?", we get to wait around and see if he lives since we don't have a surgery center or any surgeons; get the guy home to his family, give him antibiotics, stitch what we can, and wait...
Sounds right. Thanks.

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ManInBlack316 wrote:

Regarding slick carriers, how about putting the BFG Ten Speed pouches on it? Would they be minimal enough to where you wouldn't notice it when they aren't filled with mags? Also thinking about the Snake Eater Tactical Burro pouches, but I know they have a little bulk to them when empty.



I think this is a super common setup for a reason. I have some BFG ten speeds and other then reinserting it is pretty hard to think of anything bad to say about them, super thin, super light, and very high quality.
For my purposes I'm putting mags under my arms (where you might otherwise put side plates) as I think this keeps the signature much lower.


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Stercutus, Ronny, thank you. I have seen a lot of videos and had not found a good primer on what to look for. I'm also interested in how to integrate armor with backpacks and such. I've seen a lot of stuff saying the ALICE and MALICE systems work well with armor.


ALICE/MALICE does work better then most, the standoff from your back fits around a slick carrier pretty perfectly.

Any internal frame pack without too much padding will work though, if you are serious about a dedicated armor/pack setup there are two good ways to make it happen:
1) build up a lumbar pad to get the same standoff you would with an ALICE frame
2) custom bend an extra set up frame stays to match the armor profile

I prefer the later as skinny guys and lumbar pads often don't mix. The Hill People packs are a good example of packs that don't get carried away with back padding and work pretty well with armor. An ILBE wouldn't be a bad candidate, as the back padding isn't too thick but if I thought I'd only be wearing it with armor I'd go ahead and cut the padding off all together.

on the PC side of things, once again less is more. The closer the carrier is to plate size and nothing more the nicer it will play with backpacks, likewise less bulky shoulder padding will lay better under pack straps.

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I'm trying to figure out a carrier that I can "clip" to a HPG belt and harness set up...sort of an updated LBE concept. Be nice to just be able to clip the SAPI plates to the front and rear and use the "LBE" as the load bearing system for the plates.

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I'm trying to figure out a carrier that I can "clip" to a HPG belt and harness set up...sort of an updated LBE concept. Be nice to just be able to clip the SAPI plates to the front and rear and use the "LBE" as the load bearing system for the plates.


Why? Honest question.


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[Black November being Hypocritical] I don't think that body armor is a good investment, unless you plan on wearing it everyday for work or other. Having it in your closet just-in-case the SHTF is stupid and a waste of money. That being said I own body armor, and it just sits in my closet.

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[Black November being Hypocritical] I don't think that body armor is a good investment, unless you plan on wearing it everyday for work or other. Having it in your closet just-in-case the SHTF is stupid and a waste of money. That being said I own body armor, and it just sits in my closet.


Whew. For a minute there I thought you were snooping in my closet :mrgreen:

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I don't think armor is a waste of money, if you're willing to practice in it.
If it's SHTF, whatever that means to each person, and this is the first time you're running/crawling in your armor, you're wrong and you've only slowed yourself down. But if you've made a commitment to learn how to move in the armor and increase your fitness to offset the weight, it's good investment for scary times.
I work records for the local sheriff, I am not a deputy, but people seeing me leave the office wearing my uniform probably don't care about that. If it's a riot or there's a higher threat level against LEOs, I'd consider wearing my plate carrier under my shirt when I get it.

I'm also getting back in shape and I'm going to get some training plates to increase my fitness level and reteach myself how to move in armor.


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LowKey wrote:
I'm trying to figure out a carrier that I can "clip" to a HPG belt and harness set up...sort of an updated LBE concept. Be nice to just be able to clip the SAPI plates to the front and rear and use the "LBE" as the load bearing system for the plates.


Wouldn't be too hard, just find a carrier with quick release buckles on the front and and find matching QR buckles to mount on the harness. I'm not sure it gains you much unless you actually have something transferring the weight to your belt, it would still be hanging off your shoulders. I made a PC that used a HPG runners harness that was very comfortable, and still stacked well under a second HPG harness for a pack or LBE. Also I usually assume I would want to ditch my LBE before I'd want to ditch my armor, so I don't typically try to integrate them.


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[Black November being Hypocritical] I don't think that body armor is a good investment, unless you plan on wearing it everyday for work or other. Having it in your closet just-in-case the SHTF is stupid and a waste of money. That being said I own body armor, and it just sits in my closet.


Yeah, that is hard to take from a guy with Burt as an avatar... I don't think it should be super high on anyone's priority list, but it makes more sense then gun number 5 or 10 or 15 for some folks. Hell, I got a lot of junk in my closet just taking up space (like food) that I've never needed to use, that's kinda what brings us all together.

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You don't need my permission to justify buying body armor. It has its purpose, and yes training with it is a good idea.

I just can't think of many scenarios where a civilian would have enough time/foresight to put on their body armor before needing it.

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Black November wrote:
You don't need my permission to justify buying body armor. It has its purpose, and yes training with it is a good idea.

I just can't think of many scenarios where a civilian would have enough time/foresight to put on their body armor before needing it.


Short of the PAW it would be a rarity for sure. Most of the armor I have was given to me or bought on the cheap.

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Better to have and not need. Especially if you have no problem affording it.


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Black November wrote:
You don't need my permission to justify buying body armor. It has its purpose, and yes training with it is a good idea.

I just can't think of many scenarios where a civilian would have enough time/foresight to put on their body armor before needing it.

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Kind of like a fire extinguisher.....the odds of you needing it on any given day are pretty damn low, but when you need it you'll REALLY need it.
Top priority? Nope.
Does it have a place in your stuff when you're prepping in depth? Yup.

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Kinda like firearms and parachutes...




Should the day come when you end up needing it but dont got it, rest easy, for you'll probably never need it again...


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So what do you guys think about the Slickster?
https://ferroconcepts.com/products/the-slickster
I like that it's pretty minimalist, but I can slap a velcro three mag pouch on it and put a TQ on either side in the elastic cumberbund, but I can't really get any hands on with it to see before I buy.


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I think it is a great carrier, I haven't felt one either but it has a good reputation and great features and a price tag that doesn't hurt too bad. I'd rock the elastic cummerbund with mags on either side and like you say, slap more of the front if things where hairy.

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Is there armor for some of us, how do you say...'portly' preppers?

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MPMalloy wrote:
Is there armor for some of us, how do you say...'portly' preppers?


Define portly. A big problem of the armor occasion is that it tends to be heavy, which requires a level of fitness to be able to move. I'm working on this myself.
However, there are larger plate, soft armor, and carrier sizes available, may be more expensive though because of supply and demand.


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Is there armor for some of us, how do you say...'portly' preppers?
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Is there armor for some of us, how do you say...'portly' preppers?
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Kinda like firearms and parachutes...




Should the day come when you end up needing it but dont got it, rest easy, for you'll probably never need it again...


I notice in non-police related defensive shooting firearms get reportedly used about four times a day in the US. Figure about a 1-250,000 chance per you will use one. Body armor almost never gets used in routine daily uses by people outside the police and security fields.

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Is there armor for some of us, how do you say...'portly' preppers?
Image :clownshoes:

As a former crewman on one of these I can tell you. this is not for the portly.
The hatch diameter is a fairly simple sorting mechanism, not to mention the fairly tight confines within.

Put another way, John Candy and John Belushi would never have fit.

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