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Post by Silent Kube » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:00 pm

The ridiculous accuracy I just chalk up to it being hollywood. Same as the shotguns that seem to never run out of ammo until the person holding it really needs it to not be empty.
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Post by Evan the Diplomat » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:03 pm

A great finale. No, I have not read the graphic novel. I do have some questions. The helicopter and the way the zombies just picked up and started walking makes me think of some sort of LF broadcast to herd them or perhaps a scent trail. Or maybe they just followed the noise.

Burning down the barn. I thought Rick put himself unduly at risk. Why not pour the gasoline on the walkers crowded outside the barn, taunting them from the hayloft. He could have set a similar number alight and the screaming alphas might have set the others ablaze too.

Epic failure. They didn't have a pre-planned rally point. They didn't have their BOBs packed? Napoleon said "don't give me good generals, give me lucky ones.

So now it is a Ricktatorship. I wonder if the sheriff will take a knee and vow fealty to whoever is king of the castle/prison in season three.
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Post by L1Z4RD » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:08 pm

Evan the Diplomat wrote:Burning down the barn. I thought Rick put himself unduly at risk.
Excellent point. Why not just climb up and toss the ladder aside? Or bring it up with you, they could have corralled more walkers that way.
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Post by GP100Wii » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:11 pm

Loved the episode.

I thought the opening scene where the zombies were lead by the helicopter was eerie. Nice link to the first season, but still ... ???

Rick is completely beasting the whole time, love it. Lori -- she doesn't make me mad as much as she just doesn't make sense. Walking away from your husband in disgust because he kills crazy man who tried to kill him?

(And instead of being mad that Carl was the one who killed Z-Shane, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING HIM, Parenting 101.

Overall, I didn't really agree with Rick's decision to make camp for the night. Really risky.

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Post by Evan the Diplomat » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:12 pm

Regarding Lady MacBeth, I mean Lori, I think you are being too harsh on her.

She certainly alerted Rick to Shane, others might debate if she was telling Rick to kill him.

She lost a friend, protector, lover and surrogate father to her son. She also has had her husband turn into a cold blooded killer. That must have been upsetting. I think she really lost it when Rick told her that Carl had put down Shane. Her little boy has lost his innocence and she undoubtedly blames Rick for that. After all, if Rick had given Shane an ass whupping earlier, she might have had both her men around.
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Post by ShaneofReading » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:21 pm

That was a sweet episode! I loved how they set up the helicopter that Rick saw in Atlanta, right before he lost his horse, is what started that zed swarm that finally got to the farm.

I almost feel as bad about losing the Winnebago as I did about Dale. I was hoping that Glen would inherit it, along with the hat. (liking Glen's cool head this episode)

Not sure what they were thinking about wasting all the gas and ammo driving around in the dark. At first, it sounded like it was part of a diversion, lead them away, but whatever it was it devolved into some kind of motorized rodeo. In my thinking, when you see a swarm of zeds, you have to decide fight or flight. They all had the right idea, flight - too many to take out safely, but there actions were not flight. The problem there was that they never had a contingency plan in place. It's obvious that they never had even talked about it. The highway rendezvous was just an assumption, not a hard plan. Only luck brought them all back together. (if I were T-Dog, "have a nice walk, Lori!")

Where ever they try to bug-in next, they need to talk about A) How many zombies they can effectively kill safely B) Where do you go to if you cannot do "A" and how you go about doing that. It needs all thought-out beforehand. Learn to live out of a suitcase or BoB. Know what you need to take with you and what you have to leave. Have the cars ready and mostly packed.

On another note, I think I can understand why Lori was acting the way she did when Rick told her about what happened between him and Shane. First, it's finally hitting home that Rick is a killer. Those guys in the bar were just another cop story to her, but Shane made that understanding very personal for her. Second, its obvious that she still had some feelings for Shane. I'm sure she was quite smitten with Shane before Rick showed up alive and those feelings are making her very confused, even more so than normal.

I don't like the idea of the Ricktocracy. So now it's either you agree with the leader or leave the group, unless.... you kill the leader and become the new leader. That's too much "dog eat dog". It forces any little disagreement into a possible kill or be killed moment. The threat of that will be there, even if unspoken. What if the dissenters want to make off with all your supplies? Makes for great TV, but not so great PAW survival. In a small group, like theirs, they should have discussions. Ideas should lead, not people. If the group gets too large, you have the people cluster into smaller groups that think alike and then send representatives to the talk and have them gather the best ideas.
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Post by smokinbunta » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:24 pm

Lori's reaction to rick killing shane was a bit obsurd. Sure she may have mixed feelings about rick n shane but with how she was always trying to stand by his decisions but then pull away like that is pretty harsh. I cant wait till the story of the person that saved andrea
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Post by Silent Kube » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:29 pm

I don't think the Ricktatorship will be quite so severe for long. I think it was more him getting fed up and saying "You know what? Fuck you guys. You put me in this position. You think you can do better feel free."
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Post by Mr. E. Monkey » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:35 pm

Kelvar wrote:I was glad to see Rick sort of snap out of it, but I was *not* thrilled with his little comment about how "This isn't a democracy anymore." I guess he's turning evil. :( If I were in the group, that would be my signal to start planning an exit.
Honestly, it didn't bother me much. Why look to the man as a leader if they're going to second-guess everything he does? I know they're not in the military, but I know you've held leadership positions, and you know that's not a democracy.

If they expect him to lead, is it unfair to expect them to follow?

Or perhaps, in a language I think we'll both appreciate:
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Post by RickOShea » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:36 pm

Silent Kube wrote:I don't think the Ricktatorship will be quite so severe for long. I think it was more him getting fed up and saying "You know what? Fuck you guys. You put me in this position. You think you can do better feel free."
Yeah, even in the GNs Rick asks on more than one occasion (more like screams) "Why do y'all keep making me the leader?" or "Why do y'all always look to me for the answers?"
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Silent Kube wrote:I don't think the Ricktatorship will be quite so severe for long. I think it was more him getting fed up and saying "You know what? Fuck you guys. You put me in this position. You think you can do better feel free."
Yeah, even in the GNs Rick asks on more than one occasion (more like screams) "Why do y'all keep making me the leader?" or "Why do y'all always look to me for the answers?"
I assume it has to do with the hat.
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Post by Mr. E. Monkey » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:37 pm

Evan the Diplomat wrote:Regarding Lady MacBeth, I mean Lori, I think you are being too harsh on her.

She certainly alerted Rick to Shane, others might debate if she was telling Rick to kill him.

She lost a friend, protector, lover and surrogate father to her son. She also has had her husband turn into a cold blooded killer. That must have been upsetting. I think she really lost it when Rick told her that Carl had put down Shane. Her little boy has lost his innocence and she undoubtedly blames Rick for that. After all, if Rick had given Shane an ass whupping earlier, she might have had both her men around.
Eh. Still,
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Post by MVegas » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:38 pm

I just watched the scene where Rick tells Lori about Shane again.

Let me preface by saying, I ain't her biggest fan, by any stretch. The first time I watched it, I was literally saying "F*** you, lady." to the screen.
However, I think this time, while misguided, her reaction might be understandable.

I watched the scene very carefully, and listened to what Rick said, while watching Lori's reactions.
As he tells the story, She's obviously not happy, but she seems to be dealing with it.

Then, he gets to the part about Shane turning, and says "Carl put him down......."
She doubles over.

That's what she was so upset with/angry at him about. That Rick allowed a situation where it wound up being Carl that put down "Walker Shane".
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Post by RickOShea » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:39 pm

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Evan the Diplomat wrote:Burning down the barn. I thought Rick put himself unduly at risk.
Excellent point. Why not just climb up and toss the ladder aside? Or bring it up with you, they could have corralled more walkers that way.
I thought Rick's main reason for starting the fire was to try to draw the attention of all the walkers that were spread-out everywhere, not just the ones that were hot on his and Carl's heels.
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Post by RickOShea » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:43 pm

MVegas wrote:Then, he gets to the part about Shane turning, and says "Carl put him down......."
She doubles over.

That's what she was so upset with/angry at him about. That Rick allowed a situation where it wound up being Carl that put down "Walker Shane".
Nice observation. I'm going with that instead of what I originally thought. :D
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Post by ShaneofReading » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:50 pm

MVegas wrote:As he tells the story, She's obviously not happy, but she seems to be dealing with it.

Then, he gets to the part about Shane turning, and says "Carl put him down......."
She doubles over.

That's what she was so upset with/angry at him about. That Rick allowed a situation where it wound up being Carl that put down "Walker Shane".
Of course, in Lori's mind it has nothing to do with the fact that she was suppose to be watching Carl in the house in the first place.
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Post by angelofwar » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:51 pm

Silent Kube wrote:I don't think the Ricktatorship will be quite so severe for long. I think it was more him getting fed up and saying "You know what? Fuck you guys. You put me in this position. You think you can do better feel free."
Yep...on top of that, you could tell every body was a little high strung.

I like the fact the Daryl is pretty much on board with Rick. Yeah, Rick can seem to be a bit of a puss at times, but, he can fight when he has too. Talk about an awesome combo.

The silouette of Michonne and the armless Zeds...I think that may be my favortie scene from the whole season (can any-one post a still???). And thanks to the poster who mentioned about the her using the Zeds as "anti-zed" musk...makes perfect sense, and I never would've thought of it...I figured they were "guard dogs", as some one mentioned a few weeks back.

If I was Rick, I think I woulda shot Lori after seeing her reaction...unless, it was just dis-belief at what Carl did...but, it seemed to me like she was like "You killed my lover, you SOB"...yeah, I woulda shot her.
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Silent Kube wrote: ETA: I just had a thought. Was thinking that Tyreese was pretty important during the prison issues. I wonder if T-dog is going to be asked what the T stands for. Again, just a thougt.

As I too am just now reading the comic, I think Daryl is more of Tyreese character than T-dog. He likes using silent weapons crossbow vs. hammer, both have something going on with Carol, and turn into Ricks right hand man. Also they have fought and I recall many times Rick pulling his gun on Daryl. We'll see what happens when Daryl and Michonne meet. :wink:
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Post by Eklipsis » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:55 pm

MVegas wrote:I just watched the scene where Rick tells Lori about Shane again.

Let me preface by saying, I ain't her biggest fan, by any stretch. The first time I watched it, I was literally saying "F*** you, lady." to the screen.
However, I think this time, while misguided, her reaction might be understandable.

I watched the scene very carefully, and listened to what Rick said, while watching Lori's reactions.
As he tells the story, She's obviously not happy, but she seems to be dealing with it.

Then, he gets to the part about Shane turning, and says "Carl put him down......."
She doubles over.

That's what she was so upset with/angry at him about. That Rick allowed a situation where it wound up being Carl that put down "Walker Shane".
Except if she was payin attention to her damn kid he wouldn't have ended up in that field
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Silent Kube wrote: The silouette of Michonne and the armless Zeds...I think that may be my favortie scene from the whole season (can any-one post a still???). And thanks to the poster who mentioned about the her using the Zeds as "anti-zed" musk...makes perfect sense, and I never would've thought of it...I figured they were "guard dogs", as some one mentioned a few weeks back.
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MVegas wrote:As he tells the story, She's obviously not happy, but she seems to be dealing with it.

Then, he gets to the part about Shane turning, and says "Carl put him down......."
She doubles over.

That's what she was so upset with/angry at him about. That Rick allowed a situation where it wound up being Carl that put down "Walker Shane".
Of course, in Lori's mind it has nothing to do with the fact that she was suppose to be watching Carl in the house in the first place.
I never said it was rational :lol:

But let's face it- after what Jenner told him, turning his back on freshly-killed Shane was really stupid. Chalk that one up to the "I just killed my best friend" fog.

Yeah- it was a chain of events leading up to this that involved her losing her son (again), but Carl's dad was there, and he f***ing blew it.
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Post by Silent Kube » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:19 am

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Silent Kube wrote: ETA: I just had a thought. Was thinking that Tyreese was pretty important during the prison issues. I wonder if T-dog is going to be asked what the T stands for. Again, just a thougt.

As I too am just now reading the comic, I think Daryl is more of Tyreese character than T-dog. He likes using silent weapons crossbow vs. hammer, both have something going on with Carol, and turn into Ricks right hand man. Also they have fought and I recall many times Rick pulling his gun on Daryl. We'll see what happens when Daryl and Michonne meet. :wink:
You're probably right. I was just hoping for the gym scene. I just don't see Daryl pulling that off. I won't say more. Dot want to spoil it.
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Post by zombie_mike » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:19 am

For what it's worth, T-Dog already revealed that T-Dog is short for Theodore Douglas.

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Post by RickOShea » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:23 am

I wonder why they used their vehicles for the "Walker Rodeo"? Doesn't Hershel have any farm implements?

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