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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by RickOShea » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:10 pm

Offroad94 wrote: The one thing that annoyed me in the episode was in the beginning they break the barb wire fence to get to the zombie. Why would you do that to such a useful tool. Also should't they keep a better eye on the herd. The zombies were chomping on a fresh steak when the group showed up.
I believe the cow that Dale walked up on right before the walker got him, and the cow the zombies were feasting on during the "Office Space" scene, were a couple of the dozen or so cows that Hershel told Dale had broken thru the fence, and apparently hadn't been rounded back up yet.
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Post by SeerSavant » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:02 pm

I think I'm gonna make a few predictions...

Jimmy will be the only one to die...
The others will make it to the prison... (if the prison shows up... It might be seen by Rick before any of the others in the last few minutes.

I expect the characters to move in at least 3 different directions,
team Rick, with Lori, Carl and T-Dog, allowing Rick and T-Dog to have conversations starkly reminiscent of Tyreese and Ricks conversations, and for T-Dog to become a larger character, (Possible extra; Hershel is with them, and believes his whole family dead... lotsa soul searching, angsty stuff0
Team Darryl with Darryl and Carol going of on his bike, surviving for a while before finding the others, expect some cool dialogue between the two and maybe some sparks with some character development... (lotsa vague looks, which we will interpret to no end, but showing a kinda weird softer side to Darryl, and then Carol rapes him.)
Team Dale's RV Andrea and Glenn, with Maggie and her little sister who both think that Hershel is dead... Much reminiscing and whatnot...

Maggie's suicidal sister will end up finalizing the don't have to be bit to turn zombie after she successfully commits suicide in the prison (when they get there), with echoes of the prison suicide of Tyreese's daughter in the graphic novel (her begging Maggie to join her a few episodes back just struck a cord with me, that echoed the GN) This will involve Hershel's death... And Maggies descent into insanity... Glenn will suffer a very Rick like angsty future, we will all grow tired of it very quickly but still think that Lori's a bigger moron than Maggie.

T-Dog will survive, and become far more of a character, fleshing out and growing, especially after Michonne shows up (next episode) and the hammer will become his go to weapon... I think T-Dog is meant to be Tyreese, he's just developing differently, the dynamic between him and Rick used with Shane.

Rick will spend most of season 2 trying to bond with Carl... and fail.

Darryl and Carol will knock boots, and become a kind of odd couple...


I forget who first mentioned the "hive" mentality of the zombies a few pages back, but I think that will become a tentative exploration in the next season, with examples to push the idea by showing pack mentality among the zombies...

there will be more than 3 convicts at the prison.

The governor will be a vast departure from the GN's Governor, and will take on a similiar but far more devious and nuanced tone... And will last a lot longer.

Andrea will become more badass, and occasionally wear "the hat"... And the RV will be with us to the end of season 3....



Thus have I looked into the crystal ball and seen, well... some shiny rainbowy kinda shit... So i chucked the ball and make my predictions with little foresight and no actual clue...

Can't wait..
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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by gelgoog » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:06 pm

zombie_mike wrote:Ok, so at this point we know....

1. Everyone's a carrier/infected (probably what Jenner told Rick at the CDC.
2. You turn no matter what.
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I have not read the comic, but I am going to guess that what he told rick was that everyone is infected because the virus is airborne and that we all turn into zombies when we die (unless we die of head trauma). This would explain how everyone can be covered in zombie gore and not get infected. It would also explain how the zombies got out of control so quickly, as we have something like 150,000 deaths worldwide every day. Bam 150,000 zombies without doing anything, then all those hospitals and other places are slammed with zombies before news can even hit the airwaves. Unlike in other zombie media where the infection starts in one location and spread, this one starts world wide instantaneously, meaning there is no hope of a quarantine. It would be the most realistic way for a zombies to destroy every countermeasure including the military because it would happen incredibly fast.

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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by RickOShea » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:12 pm

SeerSavant wrote:The governor will be a vast departure from the GN's Governor, and will take on a similiar but far more devious and nuanced tone... And will last a lot longer.
What if there is no "Woodbury", and the Governor turns out to be the leader of Randall's group?
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Post by Eklipsis » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:46 pm

I kinda want to know as to how this virus came to be...if its airborne then how did it effect the whole globe at once?! where did it come from?!
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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by SeerSavant » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:08 pm

RickOShea wrote: What if there is no "Woodbury", and the Governor turns out to be the leader of Randall's group?
Like a travelling band, raiders/travelling army, type of group? I like it... :D



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Eklipsis wrote:I kinda want to know as to how this virus came to be...if its airborne then how did it effect the whole globe at once?! where did it come from?!
China... By way of Walmart..... (why not, everything else does... :mrgreen: )
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Post by majorhavoc » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:43 am

chasdava wrote:... If only there were a way to enter and secure a mobile bite-proof construction, drive around slowly (large, wide circles in the biggest field?) gathering the attention of all possible WD while your friends and family temporarily hide, lead said WD away from the farm, lose WD, return to the farm on a different route, and help your friends and family deal with the straggling WD... If only...
Well they did make a point of establishing that the RV is running again (although none-too-reliable). Two other things they seemed to take pains to establish in this past episode were 1) the observation/shooting platform on the windmill and 2) those lingering shots on the "other" Herschal offspring. Two words my friends, just two words: redshirt material.

More red herrings (like Rick's daily radio transmissions to Morgan in Season One), or harbingers of things to come?
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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by RickOShea » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:33 am

majorhavoc wrote:
More red herrings (like Rick's daily radio transmissions to Morgan in Season One), or harbingers of things to come?
Hell, just wait until Rick starts carrying an old rotary phone around in his backpack. :shock: ...... :lol:
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Post by angelofwar » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:22 am

FINALLY got to watch the episode...

What struck a cord with me the most, was after Rick shanked Shane..."This was you...not me!". Rick's a cop...he's not dumb....Shane had a criminal mindset from day-one...and Rick knew that...and when they were doing there patrols together, that kept Shane grounded. Rick knew Shane was going to do him in.

I think that scene illustrates perfectly that Rick is the median of Dale and Shane, Dale being Ricks alter-ego. Dale knew Shane was full of shit, and a lying, "me-me-me" person...Rick was in the middle...same heart as Dale, but the sense to do something about it....So, with Dale and Shane gone, we have the perfect combo of the two left...which, having qualities of both, makes him the perfect leader. No hot headed "kill 'em all" deciscions, and a little heart-to-heart involved....

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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by ninja-elbow » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:19 pm

RickOShea wrote:
majorhavoc wrote:
More red herrings (like Rick's daily radio transmissions to Morgan in Season One), or harbingers of things to come?
Hell, just wait until Rick starts carrying an old rotary phone around in his backpack. :shock: ...... :lol:
Was just telling Roxxors about the phone. She was all, "Wow, that's nuts."
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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by RickOShea » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:26 pm

ninja-elbow wrote:Was just telling Roxxors about the phone. She was all, "Wow, that's nuts."
I certainly hope they don't have that in the show......Team Rick may not be able to recover from that one. :lol:
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Post by Silent Kube » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:30 pm

Just started reading the GN today. finished with issue 6. They sure as shit didn't waste any time did they?
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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by majorhavoc » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:17 pm

Silent Kube wrote:Just started reading the GN today. finished with issue 6. They sure as shit didn't waste any time did they?
Did you know that some have criticized the GN because it moves too slowly, has way too much expository dialogue and spends too much time on how the apocalypse makes people feel.

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Post by Nycene » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:53 pm

majorhavoc wrote:
Silent Kube wrote:Just started reading the GN today. finished with issue 6. They sure as shit didn't waste any time did they?
Did you know that some have criticized the GN because it moves too slowly, has way too much expository dialogue and spends too much time on how the apocalypse makes people feel.
wow - i sure hope those folks are not watching the tv show, their heads might explode from the soap operatics of it all.

i thought the gn had the right mix of graphic violence and exploration of emotion. then again, in a graphic novel, you can write and draw someone sad (worried, conflicted, angry) and don't have to rely on actors to portray the person being in that state (which often leads to tears and hand wringing, not that there is anything wrong with that). in a graphic novel the reader is invited to fill more in (the medium is less visual than film, and makes do with far fewer words than a novel - but still can tell a story really well). book readers fill in the visuals, whereas film viewers expect to get all the visuals and audio prompting needed to enjoy the story (i kind of dislike it when the sappy music comes on, essentially telling me, the viewer that this a poignant `moment`, just in case i couldn`t figure it out from the dialoge and the acting).

shane`s crazy was revealed and dealt with quickly in the gn because pages of drawing of shane being an asshat and rick being conflicted about it doesn`t contribute much to the story in that format. a few frames was all that was needed to show that, 1. he slept with his best friend`s wife , 2. he didn`t want rick back challenging his posiiton with lori or the group in general and 3. was a danger to the group (thanks gn novel dale).

the gn can be freer with the action (a drawing of sad rick or a crazy shane, a drawing of a massive zombie horde, a city on fire, a person on fire, or a person crying all cost pretty much the same) and the writers don`t have to worry about the cost of a set (finding or building a prison set strikes me as a pricey endevor). tv, even genre tv (star trek, battlestar galactica, true blood(, falls back to interpersonal relationships for drama and conflict because it doesn`t cost as much as costuming, fights, stunts and special effects. daytime soap operas have very low budgets, hence the low cost settings (usually indoors) and very little action (pretty much all of the drama is based on interpersonal relationships).

personally, i am glad that we got to know shane a little better in the tv series.
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Post by majorhavoc » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:18 pm

Yeah, I mentioned that because it all depends on your point of view. People expecting comic book action were disappointed with parts of the GN because Kirkland is interested in telling a more complex story. People are disappointed with the series because they expect the taut pacing of a 2 hour zombie feature movie. As you say, drama can come from exceptional production values, from compelling interpersonal relationships or from character conflict. When a TV show balances the three well, we instinctively recognize it as superior entertainment even if we can't immediately pinpoint why.

TWD isn't a perfect series because it doesn't always get that balance right. But in my opinion it comes close more often than not. And it's far and away the best treatment of the zombie genre ever to grace the small screen. It even outshines some theatrical releases. It's occurring now and is succeeding commercially; which means we have more to look forward to. That allows me to overlook it's many faults.

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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by RickOShea » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:32 pm

majorhavoc wrote: People expecting comic book action were disappointed with parts of the GN because Kirkland is interested in telling a more complex story.
I thought the main interest was "home decor, gifts and more".
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Post by Eklipsis » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:22 pm

RickOShea wrote:
majorhavoc wrote: People expecting comic book action were disappointed with parts of the GN because Kirkland is interested in telling a more complex story.
I thought the main interest was "home decor, gifts and more".

bwahhahaha :lol: Kirklands
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Post by coyotebc » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:02 pm

Eklipsis wrote:I kinda want to know as to how this virus came to be...if its airborne then how did it effect the whole globe at once?! where did it come from?!
Maybe it didn't
It could have spread quickly or it could have had a long incubation period.
Maybe those dead bodies in the cars were people that either had not contracted the virus yet or the virus had not yet completed the incubation period in them.
Of course the virus could have mutated after the initial outbreak.

You also don't know if the whole world was infected at once or if this virus had the same characteristics as a pandemic flu

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Post by survivaljoe » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:08 am

Well with Dale gone I got no one to razz and with Shane gone I got no one to talk about. Guess my season finale came early.

I'm just happy Dale died horribly first, cuz that came outta left field and shocked everyone. Shane was not an if but when, but Dale...Whodduh thunk it!!!

Hmmm, maybe AMC can use the money from those two to pay Morgan and Duane to come back.
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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by Jamie » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:23 am

I love the invention of the term "graphic novel" to allow people to avoid saying that they're reading a comic book or a picture book... :twisted:

...and the use of the contracted form, GN, which lets them avoid saying "Graphic Novel"...

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Post by ptAltered » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:28 am

Wrangler wrote:My shot in the dark prediction for next week is as follows:

Shane sneaks the kid out of the barn and tells him to fight him for freedom. Lets him take a few shot at him and the kills him and hides the body. Then when the rest of the group discovers the kid missing he shows up beat up and saying that the kid has escaped and is a huge threat. He will use the perceived threat of both the kid and the roving gang to distract the group. He leads the men out to the middle of no where on a wild goose chase. Then he attempts to disarm them in and take charge of the group, something you told Andrea he was planning on doing at the beginning of this weeks episode.

That is my shot in the dark prediction.

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Re: "Walking Dead" Cable Series

Post by majorhavoc » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:42 am

Jamie wrote:I love the invention of the term "graphic novel" to allow people to avoid saying that they're reading a comic book or a picture book... :twisted:

...and the use of the contracted form, GN, which lets them avoid saying "Graphic Novel"...

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Guilty as charged on use of the contraction "GN", which I never saw until this thread. But not so the term "graphic novel" as a mere stand-in for a comic book or picture book. The "graphic novel" is an accepted literary genre. It has been for some time, but it really began to flower in the 1980's. Art Spielman's ground breaking "Maus" won the Pulitzer, after all. If you've never read it, I highly recommend it to anyone. Frank Miller's Dark Night series, with it's socio-political treatment of the established superhero mythos legitimized the genre for people who had outgrown the adolescent simplicity of the DC character, but not their fondness for him. And the Moore/Gibbon colaboration, "Watchmen" is recognized as a sort of anti-superhero thesis, questioning the relationship between near-gods and ordinary men with far more sophistication than Marvel's "X-men" ever did.

Does Kirkland's "The Walking Dead" rise to the level of Maus or Watchmen? Probably not, although since it's still unfolding it's a little unfair to pass judgement just yet. I was attracted to the GN (there I go again) because of some commentary on the series I read on Boingboing.net. The fact that it dealt with themes more complex than just survival and killing zombies in gruesome ways really appealled to me.

I'd have watched the TV series regardless of the source material because, well, I'm a zombie fan. So I'm a sucker for whatever crap they throw up on the screen: TV or at the multiplex. But what I'm absolutely tickled about is how seriously TWD is trying to address the themes Kirland raised: the nature of this term we call "humanity", the role social rules and mores have in shaping how one's personality develops in a time of crisis, and the true nature of evil among men.

OK, that and the awesomely bloody special effects. GICK! BLAM! SKLITCHHH!

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