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In the middle of rewatching Jericho on Netflix.

It is a good series if you can overlook all the science things they got wrong, some on purpose to move the plot along. I'd say the disintegration of society in a rural area cut off from modern life was played well. There is a bit of drama in the series but it all plays back to relevant plot points, is portrayed realistically and is not the normal idiocy that passes for writing on most TV shows.

One thing noteworthy that dates the series is the lack of AR's by the farmers. This was just after the ban was lifted and before the AR craze so AR's were not particularly popular or in circulation. In 2005 a base model AR would run about $1100. These days most farmers under the age of 60 have an AR, a lot of older ones too.




Funny, after I fired Direct TV and hooked all of my web services to a Roku box I have a lot more TV that is interesting to me to watch.

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I have a g-box which replaced my m8 mbox. downstreaming is the new cable.

Looks like there is only a few episodes in season 2, so they may leave you hanging. Let us know if it does.

I don't know why shows have to get things completely wrong. I remember I loved falling skies but hated some of the errors to the point that stopped watching. But finally finished the whole thing.

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When moving an entire army and community, make sure you use the main highway because the enemy [aliens] will never find you. And the super advanced enemy [aliens] don't have thermal or night vision. [pretty much every alien movie where aliens are hitech, if they are just animals with notech they do have thermal or nightvision]

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Thanks, I think I'll add Jericho to my Favorites.

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Looks like there is only a few episodes in season 2, so they may leave you hanging. Let us know if it does.


I saw the series when it first came out back in 2005. They actually cancelled it after one season due to cost/ ratings calculus and the fans protested them in to bringing it back for half a season. The half season gives it an ending of sorts, or at least answers a number of questions without terminating most of the story lines.

I did not enjoy the second season as much as the first. The first season was full of trying to make it without the town dying off. The second season pared down the extras a lot and turned in to more of a whodunit?

I think that by and large the show does a good job showing how a small town might deal with problems and issues from a small town perspective. Most of the actors come off as genuine, Gerald McRainey did a great job with his role in the series. His sickness on the show is real, he was suffering from lung cancer at the time.

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I started it... liked it... then midway through it got really campy and ridiculous... so I stopped.

My GF finished it and says it gets better towards the end. Maybe I'll have to give it another try

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It was a good show. Look past the ridiculousness of it for a generally good disaster show. I binged it a few years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I wish we could get something like it again, a decent disaster show were the characters are genuine, the run into normal issues, fight with each other, and show how Small Town, USA would deal with things.

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I started it last night. 2 episodes. Pretty good so far. Only issue was when they showed the almost empty gas guage on the bus as Skeet was driving it, the Temp gauge next to it was buried in the COLD. I see stuff like that. No big whoop.

The bomb shelter issue was interesting too. Built when the town was pop 1000 and they only hold 600 between the two. Town's pop is now 5000, and the shelters were not kept up.

What kind of filters would they have on those air handlers to filter radioactivity? And would they still be good after 50 years?

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"Radioactivity" is not filtered.

Radioactive particulate matter is produced from an explosion of most types of atomic bombs (think radioactive 9/11 dust). Matter that has been made radioactive produced through an explosion would be filtered by just about any type air filter, although some would be better than others. The filters would then become dangerous due to the collection of matter on them and would require shielding to keep occupants safe. So the filters themselves would not need to be overly special but the filtration unit would need to have a way to isolate and a way to dispose of them or hold them until they became less dangerous.




One of the big things that was pointed out about the first show was that there is no where in Kansas that has a view of the mountains.

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In to Season 2 now.

Remember more about why I didn't like Season 2.

The loss of a key cast member was big.

It then got a little nutty with conspiracy stuff, evil contractor mercenaries and over the top politics. Not sure how it is possible for a destitute government to hire evil contractors to implement nefarious plans when there would be so many other important issues going on that the show ignores. They did not handle the shift from micro politics to macro politics well.

Having done two tours as an advisor I do think they did a good job with the Major Beck character. He is well written and the actor is just bad enough and stiff enough to be believable.


First Season is still very good though. Overall I'd rank it about 8.5/10 with second season about 6/10.

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The Jericho story continues in the S3 & S4 graphic novels, available on Amazon or Comixology (digital version).

There is still current talk of a Jericho continuation series, on CBS' streaming service, All Access.

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I enjoy Jericho because there's not really another show like it. Hard to find a show that isn't totally screwy, and shows a good small town trying to pull together and survive after major disasters.
However, there's a lot of errors, a lot of them. One of my biggest is the big battle in season one (I think it's season one), let's not plan this out and have fallback positions or flanking elements or ambush the enemy or plant some of the explosives in positions the enemy is likely to funnel into, let's let the enemy set up unopposed and just shoot rounds at each other until the other dies. There's vets in the town, at least one Ranger, so there's not really a reason that nobody thought clearly about fighting.
The lack of ARs or competent shooters bothers me too. ARs are frickin' everywhere nowadays, but maybe not in Kansas, I wouldn't know since I'm not in Kansas (anymore? :awesome: ). This bothers me when I reread older but still modern books like Lights Out, ARs aren't uncommon anymore.
And some of the guys are probably hunters, why do they all suck so much that they can't even hit a bird during one of the training sessions?

Until another show like it comes along, it'll still probably be one of my favorites. It's just hard to find good prepper fiction shows/movies where people aren't screwy and it deals with things on a larger scale over time.


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Stercutus wrote:
"Radioactivity" is not filtered.

Radioactive particulate matter is produced from an explosion of most types of atomic bombs (think radioactive 9/11 dust). Matter that has been made radioactive produced through an explosion would be filtered by just about any type air filter, although some would be better than others. The filters would then become dangerous due to the collection of matter on them and would require shielding to keep occupants safe. So the filters themselves would not need to be overly special but the filtration unit would need to have a way to isolate and a way to dispose of them or hold them until they became less dangerous.




One of the big things that was pointed out about the first show was that there is no where in Kansas that has a view of the mountains.

MOUNTAINS OF KANSAS :shock:

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Hey, those look like mountains to me. But I'm also a Floridian :awesome:


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TALLEST MT IN KANSAS :crazy:


They are clearly looking at the East Range of the Rockies when the bombs go off. The implication being that you can see a blast in Denver from Kansas.


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I enjoy Jericho because there's not really another show like it. Hard to find a show that isn't totally screwy, and shows a good small town trying to pull together and survive after major disasters.


Me too. They really only left one important aspect out of the mix which is the role of churches and religion in small town life. I am kind of glad they left it out though. The Hollywood treatment of religion is normally so insulting and comically bad due to the complete lack of understanding of how these things work that they ruin whatever it is they are working on.

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However, there's a lot of errors, a lot of them. One of my biggest is the big battle in season one (I think it's season one), let's not plan this out and have fallback positions or flanking elements or ambush the enemy or plant some of the explosives in positions the enemy is likely to funnel into, let's let the enemy set up unopposed and just shoot rounds at each other until the other dies. There's vets in the town, at least one Ranger, so there's not really a reason that nobody thought clearly about fighting.


Yeah, I think a lot of that is working within the limits of the show. I noticed a few times people using things like pallets and plywood for cover.

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The lack of ARs or competent shooters bothers me too. ARs are frickin' everywhere nowadays, but maybe not in Kansas, I wouldn't know since I'm not in Kansas (anymore? :awesome: ). This bothers me when I reread older but still modern books like Lights Out, ARs aren't uncommon anymore.


As noted the show came out shortly after the ban was lifted and before the AR craze took off. Back then an AR was a $900+ gun. The 5.56 round was still poorly regarded by most civilians.

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Hey, those look like mountains to me. But I'm also a Floridian :awesome:


I know right ? All that and Dorothy too ! :lol:

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I watched Jericho, all the episodes, when it first aired on TV. Ugh. Yeah they got me. What a sucker I was.

I loved the (apparent) high concept of the show: what happens to a small isolated rural town in the midst of nuclear war? I loved that the town had no more idea of what was going in the larger world than the TV audience did. Who nuked America? Big mystery!

I forgave the show it's head slapping inaccuracies about nuclear fallout, and other similar errors of fact, as I was entranced by the story and involved in the characters...

And then the big reveal... who nuked America? Ugh. Yeah, they got me. What a sucker I was for watching that show.

I won't spoil the surprise for those who want to watch Jericho, but let's just say Hollywood loves certain ideas and keeps going back to them like a dog returns to its own vomit.

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Spoiler Alert!

Don't read this if you want the surprise in Jericho unspoiled. Okay? Right...

"Designated Survivor", anyone? When I saw the reveal in Designated Survivor, the first thing I thought was Jericho Syndrome. It's the damned Jericho show all over again. Or Seven Days in May, or or or. In the imagination of Hollywood, right wing American militarists are always lurking in the shadows, ready to seize power under the cloak of chaos the militarists create themselves. Ugh.

America nuked itself? Really? Ugh.

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Spoiler Alert!

Don't read this if you want the surprise in Jericho unspoiled. Okay? Right...

"Designated Survivor", anyone? When I saw the reveal in Designated Survivor, the first thing I thought was Jericho Syndrome. It's the damned Jericho show all over again. Or Seven Days in May, or or or. In the imagination of Hollywood, right wing American militarists are always lurking in the shadows, ready to seize power under the cloak of chaos the militarists create themselves. Ugh.

America nuked itself? Really? Ugh.


At least you did not spoil it.

You should go back and watch the last two shows again.

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Hey, those look like mountains to me. But I'm also a Floridian :awesome:


Yep, to me too. I'm planning an expedition to the highest point in my AO, Mount Cloverleaf 595, going up the difficult north face [photo looking west. right side of photo]. Carrying the required oxygen up will be a challenge. They say that the temp at that altitude gets down to extremes that are not really a factor. And you have to sign a waiver saying that if you perish no one will retrieve your body either. They just push you off and the gators take care of the remains.

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gunsandrockets wrote:
Spoiler Alert!

Don't read this if you want the surprise in Jericho unspoiled. Okay? Right...

"Designated Survivor", anyone? When I saw the reveal in Designated Survivor, the first thing I thought was Jericho Syndrome. It's the damned Jericho show all over again. Or Seven Days in May, or or or. In the imagination of Hollywood, right wing American militarists are always lurking in the shadows, ready to seize power under the cloak of chaos the militarists create themselves. Ugh.

America nuked itself? Really? Ugh.


With Designated Survivor, with the people that were a part of the show (Sutherland being one example), you kind of had to expect the enemy to be who they were in the show. That was a rough show for me to get through, that's all I can say without breaking rules about politics.


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we binged Jericho last year, great show just need to overlook some of the ridiculous moments as several indicated..

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One of the questions I had about the series is that they never adequately explained the EMP. Who was responsible for it? The series later establishes that the outgoing missiles in those episodes were aimed at Iran and North Korea, and now 10 years later North Korea might have the capability for a high-altitude nuclear detonation over Kansas. We know for sure Iran doesn't.

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One of the questions I had about the series is that they never adequately explained the EMP. Who was responsible for it? The series later establishes that the outgoing missiles in those episodes were aimed at Iran and North Korea, and now 10 years later North Korea might have the capability for a high-altitude nuclear detonation over Kansas. We know for sure Iran doesn't.


I don't believe there was an EMP in Jericho, yes there was some things knocked out from the nukes, but that's more to do with infrastructure being taken down than things being taken down by EMP. They get into who did it in the second season.


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One of the questions I had about the series is that they never adequately explained the EMP. Who was responsible for it? The series later establishes that the outgoing missiles in those episodes were aimed at Iran and North Korea, and now 10 years later North Korea might have the capability for a high-altitude nuclear detonation over Kansas. We know for sure Iran doesn't.


I don't believe there was an EMP in Jericho, yes there was some things knocked out from the nukes, but that's more to do with infrastructure being taken down than things being taken down by EMP. They get into who did it in the second season.



After the second attack a lot of stuff quit working and they said it was EMP. It was never really explained but a lot of vehicles disappeared from the set.

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