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Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Einher » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:30 am

I was doing some online research for an upcoming project, when I stumbled across something that made me think of the ASP;

The ASP isn't nearly as relevant in the modern day as it was in the 80's and 90's, but it was an interesting concept in the age it was presented in;

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Hoppy » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:43 am

yup, iirc iv seen one at the Springfield Arsenal , or it coulda been at SW sports center.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by AKFTW » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:39 am

I've seen one in Black Ops :lol:

Honestly what is so special about a 7rd single stack 9mm that is SUPER bulky like that? Somewhat interesting footnote in CIA history I guess, but nothing particularly noteworthy about it otherwise.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Cpt. MelonBuster » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:15 am

AKFTW wrote:I've seen one in Black Ops :lol:
Sucks ass there too. :lol:

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Einher » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:14 am

AKFTW wrote:I've seen one in Black Ops :lol:

Honestly what is so special about a 7rd single stack 9mm that is SUPER bulky like that? Somewhat interesting footnote in CIA history I guess, but nothing particularly noteworthy about it otherwise.
IIRC the ASP was responsible for the initial popularity of the hooked trigger guard; it was one of the first (semi-)successful developments in the area of a 'visual ammunition indicator' type of development (which failed to catch on, at least in pistols); it's lack of front sight post in lieu of guttersnipe style sights, as well as the extreme degree of elimination of bumps or spurs on the weapon which could catch on clothing are probably the highlights of it's innovation at the time.

I don't know much about it's actual use, but the modifications to the original S&W design the ASP was born out of were relatively unexplored territory at the time.

I also seem to remember single stack magazine designs being considered far more reliable than double stack magazine design back in those days; a time in which government agencies still touted the revolver over the semi-auto pistol (often leaning on superior reliability vs carried ammunition capacity) which would carry as little as half of the capacity of most modern doublestack semi-automatic pistols.

That's how remember it anyway, but I was young back then, and it's not the case today.
I doubt anyone would be willing to sacrifice doublestack capacity for singlestack reliability these days (possibly because singlestack isn't considered that much more reliable than doublestack these days).

Also, I think james bond used them in some of the books, but that's just what I've been told by others (I only watched the movies). :|

some different examples:
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by FreuderLocks » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:35 am

If one where interested in an ASP where would you find it and how much do you think it would cost? Google failed me so im assuming what few are out there are glued to their owners hands.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by gelgoog » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:10 am

there was one available on gunbroker a while back for $600 :shock: It had cracked grips but I was going to bit on it anyways at that price. So instead of being smart and putting a price down so I could at least reserve the auction, I thought I would wait till the last minute and bid so it would not attract any undue bidding wars. Well he sold it privately before the auction date ended and I screwed myself :cry:

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by FreuderLocks » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:45 am

Thanks Gelgoog, good to know, I guess I'll have to add it to my long list of wants. Honestly $600 doesnt seem so bad, even good! Cracked grips aside I think I could live with that price tag if I could find another one in that price range.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Trebor » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:02 pm

I bet that ASP wound up selling for more than $600. They usually go for at least twice that.

The original small run of ASP's were made by Theodore Paris (interesting guy, google him up). The then sold the rights to the design to Armament Systems Procurement in Michigan (Later Wisconsin). They then subcontracted the actual manufacturing/gunsmithing of the pistols to licensed FFL manufacturer in Michigan

A buddy of mine is the son and nephew of the guys who did the actual work. They had a family machine shop business and one of them also had a FFL manufacturing license and they wound up with the contract to produce the pistols.

The ASP was a S&W Model 39 (mainly 39-2) that was "chopped and dropped." The frame was cut up, a section removed, and then welded back together. The slides and barrels were also shortended. That's how they made the ASP smaller than the original Model 39.

My buddy has the gun his Dad made for himself while they were making the ASP's. I've fired it a couple times. He actually used it in the first CCW class I taught years ago. It had some malfunctions as the 30+ year old mag springs are toast.

Cracked grips are common with ASP's. Another buddy of mine bought one with cracked grips and I was able to hook him up with my friend whose family made the guns and he wound up with probably the last set of spare original ASP grips in existence.

The ASP was ahead of its time in terms of compact 9's. It was years efore S&W came out with the 3913 series. That was essentially a "factory ASP" in terms of size and weight and helped kill whatever interest remained in buying the original, more expensive, product.

Oh, and ASP of Wisconsin is the same company that now makes the ASP batons. They don't really acknowledge that part of the company history though, for some reason.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by gelgoog » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:04 pm

FreuderLocks wrote:Thanks Gelgoog, good to know, I guess I'll have to add it to my long list of wants. Honestly $600 doesnt seem so bad, even good! Cracked grips aside I think I could live with that price tag if I could find another one in that price range.
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dont count on finding one for under $2000, that was a fluke and he probably sold it to a private party who offered him twice as much.

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Spiffums » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:20 pm

In the newer novels there was some upheaval about what arms Bond would use. For a while it was a HK P7M13 (OHHH YEAH!!) and then he ended up with the ASP as his sidearm and carried a Ruger Super Blackhawk in his car that MI5 didn't know about.

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Einher » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:37 pm

Interesting side note: There appears to be an ASP 2000 out there, as well as the original ASP.
I was not aware of this before today;

Differences are various (including better use of stainless steel), but the non-hooked trigger guard on some of the ASP 2000's is at least one immediately recognizable difference from the original; I've also noticed the non-black finish is also a possible indicator of an ASP 2000 (due to the non-stick finish (teflon?) the original ASP was coated in, which was a semi-nonreflective black);

Found this website about them:
http://www.asp9mm.com/#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you end up bidding on one from an auction site thinking it's an original, they might be valued differently;

I'm pretty sure this is an ASP 2000;
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And this is the original ASP;
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I found a size comparison image, but I can't link it since it was a flash player image.
The ASP in that image was about the same overall size as the 9x18mm Makarov (which is fairly small).
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Mbelasko12 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:41 pm

Aside from the John Gardner Bond novels, COD Black OPs, it was apparently was supposed to show up in Cobra with Stallone, but got cut.
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the ASP 2000 (modded S&W 3913) is used by Collin Farrell in Miam Vice.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by FreuderLocks » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:22 am

gelgoog wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote:Thanks Gelgoog, good to know, I guess I'll have to add it to my long list of wants. Honestly $600 doesnt seem so bad, even good! Cracked grips aside I think I could live with that price tag if I could find another one in that price range.
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dont count on finding one for under $2000, that was a fluke and he probably sold it to a private party who offered him twice as much.
Ugh, No worries man.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Einher » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:24 pm

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Janos Dracwlya » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:32 pm

I've seen a couple at gun shows, though it has been at least ten years. The first one I ever saw, I almost missed; the clear grips had turned a disgusting shade of dark green from use, so I didn't realize they were clear... I don't remember what it cost, but it wasn't outrageous. Should have bought it.
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Joker1096 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:17 am

Damn it all I want one of those ASP 2000, been playing a lot of COD Black Ops and that sorta made me wonder about the ASP kinda cool that I log in and see this thread goin on for a little while now. Oh well maybe someday the ASP 2000 will start being made again. of course really not sure the over all look would be hard to reproduce.

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Jeriah » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:22 am

Joker1096 wrote:Damn it all I want one of those ASP 2000, been playing a lot of COD Black Ops and that sorta made me wonder about the ASP kinda cool that I log in and see this thread goin on for a little while now. Oh well maybe someday the ASP 2000 will start being made again. of course really not sure the over all look would be hard to reproduce.
Yes, and maybe hot 18 year old girls will start wearing dog collars and black lipstick in public again.

Hey, we can both dream. :lol:
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Joker1096 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:24 am

Jeriah wrote:
Joker1096 wrote:Damn it all I want one of those ASP 2000, been playing a lot of COD Black Ops and that sorta made me wonder about the ASP kinda cool that I log in and see this thread goin on for a little while now. Oh well maybe someday the ASP 2000 will start being made again. of course really not sure the over all look would be hard to reproduce.
Yes, and maybe hot 18 year old girls will start wearing dog collars and black lipstick in public again.

Hey, we can both dream. :lol:

Wait when did that stop? god my world is just crashing to the ground tonight ( in truth I still know a few earily 20s young ladies that do that )

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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by praharin » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:50 am

Joker1096 wrote:
Jeriah wrote:
Joker1096 wrote:Damn it all I want one of those ASP 2000, been playing a lot of COD Black Ops and that sorta made me wonder about the ASP kinda cool that I log in and see this thread goin on for a little while now. Oh well maybe someday the ASP 2000 will start being made again. of course really not sure the over all look would be hard to reproduce.
Yes, and maybe hot 18 year old girls will start wearing dog collars and black lipstick in public again.

Hey, we can both dream. :lol:

Wait when did that stop? god my world is just crashing to the ground tonight ( in truth I still know a few earily 20s young ladies that do that )
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Jeriah » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:10 pm

praharin wrote:
Joker1096 wrote:
Jeriah wrote:
Joker1096 wrote:Damn it all I want one of those ASP 2000, been playing a lot of COD Black Ops and that sorta made me wonder about the ASP kinda cool that I log in and see this thread goin on for a little while now. Oh well maybe someday the ASP 2000 will start being made again. of course really not sure the over all look would be hard to reproduce.
Yes, and maybe hot 18 year old girls will start wearing dog collars and black lipstick in public again.

Hey, we can both dream. :lol:

Wait when did that stop? god my world is just crashing to the ground tonight ( in truth I still know a few earily 20s young ladies that do that )
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by praharin » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:39 pm

I've gotta get there ahead of you. Once they see your mankini, it's all over for me :(
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Einher » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:09 pm

This might sound like a silly to bother with, but I haven't been able to find any solid references to how the ASP came to be named...

Was it because it was designed to be marketed as an 'Advanced Service Pistol'?
Was it because it used an 'Advanced Sighting Plane' (ie; Guttersnipe sights)?
Was there some relationship between the ASP developers and a company that influenced it's naming?

Anyone know?
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Re: Anyone remember the ASP?

Post by Civilian Scout » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:21 pm

Einherjrar wrote:This might sound like a silly to bother with, but I haven't been able to find any solid references to how the ASP came to be named...

Was it because it was designed to be marketed as an 'Advanced Service Pistol'?
Was it because it used an 'Advanced Sighting Plane' (ie; Guttersnipe sights)?
Was there some relationship between the ASP developers and a company that influenced it's naming?

Anyone know?
It's on the Wikipedia page. The designer Paris Theodore (great name!) had a company called Armament Systems & Procedures, which manufactured the pistols.
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