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Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Towanda » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:52 pm

The time has come for me to replace my .40 with a 9mm. Due to some surgery on my wrist a couple years ago, I want a pistol with an all-metal frame and a barrel that is 3.75" or longer. Yesterday I went to a range and shot a 1911 and a CZ-75 D PCR, both of which I liked but I liked the CZ a little bit better.

This is going to be a relatively slow process because I want to try as many all-metal 9mm's as I can before I pick one. Next range trip, in a week or two, I plan to try a Beretta 92FS and...something you guys will suggest, I hope.

Oh...no Glocks. I've tried them. I don't like them. And they're not all-metal.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Dogan » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:42 pm

I'd advise trying a Browning Hi-Power and a Sig, preferably a 226 as the massive frame and overall weight will lead to the already low 9mm recoil being very gentle on your wrist. Also older Smith guns are worth looking into, as they had quite a line of all-metal 9mm's back in the day (such as the 6906, 52) as well as a 9mm revolver or three. Star 9mm's are worth a look at but be advised, replacement parts are very hard to come by. Walther PPK's were also made in 9mm IIRC but they will be on the smaller side and therefore lighter as far as all-metal 9mms go.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by yossarian » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:52 pm

Dogan hit most of the contenders as far as I can tell. What price range are you looking at and are you OK with clones like an FEG (Browning Hi-power) or Witness (CZ-75)?
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Towanda » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:30 pm

Clones are fine. I'd like to keep it to $800 or less, preferably ~$650 or lower.

I'm also considering a .380 for when I'm out and about, like a Sig P238. That's actually the only .380 that I know is all-metal. Though I could probably conceal a CZ-75 Compact well enough.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Stercutus » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:23 pm

If you are having wrist problems I'd avoid the 1911. If you have normal or small size hands avoid the 92. The other suggestions seem good for your price range. The CZ75 is a great gun and a good choice.

For a 380, the Kimber Micro in .380 is all metal. It is an excellent shooting gun. I see them a cheap as $500 and it is easy to conceal. My wife has small hands and she carries one now.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by flybynight » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:33 pm

Just throwing it out there. Ruger P series . 85,89,and I think 94 were in 9mm and all metal. ( steel and alloy frame). Of course if you want it new then disregard.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by JayceSlayn » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:07 pm

I'll throw in a vote for the CZ as a solid contender. For myself and most of the people I've talked to that try one, they just seem to fit in the hand and point very naturally. Some people prefer the more square-gripped pistols (like Glock etc.), but I love my CZ P01. Obviously though, it is how it feels to your hand, and since you've already tried it, you can judge that for yourself.

If I had to buy it over again, I'd strongly consider the PCR, mostly because it is missing the rail and it would make carrying it slightly more pleasant (though the P01 carries pretty decent already). Both, for being aluminum alloy framed guns, are still plenty heavy enough for comfortably controlling 9mm I think.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by yossarian » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:41 pm

Towanda wrote:Clones are fine. I'd like to keep it to $800 or less, preferably ~$650 or lower.
If that's the budget then don't even worry about the FEG or Witness unless you want to get one of each.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by The Twizzler » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:12 am

I own 2 CZ pistols ( CZ-82 & P-07) I have a brother who has classic CZ-75 and we both love them. I chose mine as their grips are the thinnest of double stack pistols. AS far as 9x19 all steel guns there are some Khar pistols all steel that meet your needs and in your price range. You mentioned 380 so I think it goes without saying Walther PPK. Another less expensive option is any pistol chambered in 9x18 Makarov. They are all steel guns and reliable. The Makarov round is kinda like a 380+P but less snappy than 9mm nato plus the ammo is cheaper. If you like the pricier ammo both Hornady and Buffalo Bore make ammo for it.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Dogan » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:29 am

Totally forgot about Kahr - their budget series (CW? CM?) is quite reasonable, there's one right down the road from me for $350~. They are mostly single stack and on the smaller/lighter end of the spectrum, mind.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Doryman » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:19 am

I'd throw a vote out for the Browning Hi-power, but I have no idea how pricey (or cheap) they are down there in the States. Still, great gun.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Stercutus » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:30 am

Since clones are ok a FEG BHP would save big dollars over HiPower.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Towanda » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:39 pm

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm making a list. Answers to various posts in no particular order below:

The 1911 I shot on Saturday didn't irritate my wrist, but it did have a 5-inch barrel, which might be awkward to conceal in anything other than a vertical shoulder holster under a jacket or heavy cardigan.

My hands are bigger than a lot of the men I know. My reach on a piano is an octave plus three. I'm going to try the Beretta and see how it goes.

I will call around to the ranges in my area and see if any of them have the clones that have been mentioned.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by naanders94gt » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:34 am

I would also toss in a vote for the Sig p226. My favorite full size all metal 9mm. Plus the option for 18+1 in a flush mag.

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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by raptor » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:59 am

I would vote for a BHP.

I bought one of these earlier. They are used and one I got was not pretty but it was a BHP and quite functional.

A key spring replacement & refinish (if you wanted it refinished) and you will still be all in at $175+/- below the cost of a new BHP. ($439.95 +$20 FFL= $460 vs. new BHP @ $900)

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A link to a good article for the BHP:
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/art ... -hi-power/

What are the problems with the Hi Power? For starters it has a magazine disconnect. This means the pistol will not fire if a magazine is not fully inserted. Some consider this a plausible safety feature, arguing if you are wrestling with a bad guy for control of your pistol, you can depress the magazine-release button and, well, just let him have it.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Viper shtf » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:04 pm

Cz-75! I love mine.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by RonnyRonin » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:04 pm

If I had to buy a metal-framed handgun CZ would be about the only thing I would consider. BHP is a not-too-distant second place.

In my very brief experience the high bore-axis on Sig handguns make them snappier then they need to be, I would think that would make them less desirable with sensitive wrists.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:28 am

Here's my list of guns off the top of my head...

1. Star 30M (all metal, heavy, but shoots like a dream if you can find one... mine runs like a top)
2. CZ75 and variants (EAA Witness, IWI/IMI Jericho/Baby Eagle, Sarsilmaz, Canik)
3. Beretta 92 and variants (taurus, girsan/chiappa, all the 92 surplus variants)
4. SIG P226...... butttttt..... check out the AREX Zero clone of the SIG from Slovenia. The reviews seem great (MAC does a torture test on youtube)
5. Stoeger Cougar (or old Beretta cougar or 8000 or whatever they call it)


Wildcards: Bersa Thunder Pro (Walther P88 clone), Tisas Zigana (Buds Gun shop has them)

Basically, I like the Beretta if you can grip it, but I've shot or owned most of the guns on this list
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by FreuderLocks » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:52 am

Try the p07 or p09 pistols from CZ if you already own a cz. They're really great pistols. Has some bhp, 1911, and genuine cz lines as well.
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It's not full steel, but it is heavy, the canik TP9 is an excellent pistol. I've sold many of them to new and seasoned shooters alike. It's also not terribly easy to conceal, but an option.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by yossarian » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:39 am

If you find that you like the Beretta there is this http://www.jgsales.com/-p-93312.html. I can't personally vouch for the company or that particular variant of the 92, but it seems to be a decent deal
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by flybynight » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:13 am

yossarian wrote:If you find that you like the Beretta there is this http://www.jgsales.com/-p-93312.html. I can't personally vouch for the company or that particular variant of the 92, but it seems to be a decent deal
https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta ... rplus-g-vg Thought I just saw this for under 300 somewhere. I'm sure I did. If I remember where I'll post it. This of course has the mag button at the bottom of the grip. Which if you've ever used or trained with , it's not that bad becomes pretty natural with repetition.

edit to add. I think someone on the board just recently ( in last year ) bought one of these and refinished it. There were pictures posted edit again
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Towanda » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:38 pm

Thanks for all the recommendations. Next Sunday I'm going to a range again and I plan to try a Beretta 92 and a Sig P-226 if I can find a range around here that has both.

Like I said, this is going to be a slow process. First I want to try ALL THE METAL 9MM'S and then I'm going to compare the ones I like best against each other till I find the one that fits.
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by Phoenix David » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:40 pm

my new personal favorite is the Sig P226 SAO. All the goodness of the P226 but in a SAO package, magazines are inexpensive (Mec-Gar) nice consistent trigger pull and quite accurate out of the box. Depending on your dress and body type, I have no issues carrying in a SuperTuck at about the 5:30 position and did I mention 19 rounds?
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Re: Help Me Pick a New 9mm

Post by JeeperCreeper » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:21 am

Funny this topic came up last week, cuz I just got a NIB Stoeger Cougar for $325 on clearance at the local sporting goods store. Didn't get to shoot mine yet, but it feels like a Beretta (it really is a Beretta, anyways).

Kinda hard to pass up at that price...
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