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Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:46 pm
by maine1
first in a series along these lines.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbMk8EBKpk

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:29 pm
by Boondock
Nice workbench.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:03 pm
by maine1
hey, its a "working" workbench. My "show" workbench is on the other side of the shop...:)

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:58 pm
by maine1
nothign to say...from ZS?


am i that boring/stupid?

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:14 pm
by zero11010
Maybe you should say more than "here: click on this link."

It may help invite conversation if you were to start it yourself.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:27 pm
by Sworbeyegib
A 16 minute video is a little hard to digest, I'm sure I'll get around to it later though. Any bullet points anyone want to bring up?

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:34 pm
by maine1
1) Buy a good gun, a proven model from a good brand, 2) learn all there is to know about function/malfunction/maintenance/smithing that model 3) get training 4) practice your ass off
5) get squared away logistically 6) duplicate the weapon.....

.. and it will not matter what gun you have.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:22 pm
by jeepinbandtrider
Yeah don't fall into the NutnFancy trap of making long winded videos, as much as I like his videos I don't watch that many of them all the way though because I don't have that kind of time to sit watching a VLOG. IMO and in my experience anything much longer than 10 minutes and you start losing the audience's attention.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:03 am
by maine1
zero11010 wrote:Maybe you should say more than "here: click on this link."

It may help invite conversation if you were to start it yourself.

Thanks! The tendency for me is let the video do the talking, but i suppose it would help to generate some interest.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:08 am
by JeeperCreeper
maine1 wrote:nothign to say...from ZS?


am i that boring/stupid?
I play on ZS while I am at work (working hard or hardly workin', am I right???) so I can not access youtube or most of the pictures posted. So I have to do it the old fashioned way... by reading :awesome:

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:28 am
by Doctorr Fabulous
You'll notice that I don't make videos that follow my suggestions...mostly because I don't make videos. That said, as a viewer this is what I look for when I'm cruising the 'toobs:

1. Brevity is the soul of wit. I liked your content, but it could be condensed a bit. I'm a bit of a rambler, so what helps me is to script it, rehearse the script with a mirror or a second person, and then film a rough draft and critique yourself. If you're gonna do a single-take, it needs to be perfect. Think of your script like an essay: Start with a short paragraph outlining what you're going to talk about, end with a topic sentence, something like "If you follow these simple tips, you will be well on your way to choosing the right carry gun for you." Or, just a simple "Hi, this is Mike Hammer from JustWannaSHootSomebody Tactics! Today we're going to talk tips for choosing a carry gun that fits your needs, and how to become proficient with it." Each "segment" after that should be the same format.

Caliber: short paragraph on caliebr, why it does or doesn't matter, etc. End by reinforcing a key bullet point.
Size of gun: see above.
Where to carry: same formula
End of video: quickly summarize what's been discussed, hit any saved rounds and sign-off.

Now there's nothing wrong with personality in a video, it's what makes Hickok45 so fun to watch, but if you watch his videos he still roughly follows the formula.

2. Flash! Dazzle me! Some basic video editing software will go a long way. I know there's some freebies, and this is out of my wheelhouse, but something as simple as throwing in bullet-point text (white text, black outline is easy to read) to emphasize points goes a long way. Editing out stutters or flubbed lines is good for making it brief and to the point. Throw in some action when you can. Gonna talk about heavy triggers making it difficult to make good hits? Demonstrate the tendency of a DA pull to walk off target, shoot some groups.

3. Guests. One dude talking on video is good if it's interesting. Two people talking with each other, especially with differing opinions, is great. If you don't go that route, that's fine, but it's soemthign to think about.

4. Staging. Workbench full of guns is kinda homey, but it's a bit cluttered. Kudos for not having a big obnoxious flag behind you, but a simple white wall keeps the focus on you, the speaker. Hang a target, maybe a couple guns on pegboard if you want some personality to it.

Don't take any of the criticism too hard, and for the love of god don't go full Buck Yeager and mouth off on video. The Internet Never Forgets.

Fake edit: final word on brevity. 5 minute videos get more hits than 15 minute videos for just talking about a thing. 10-15 minutes max if you're shooting, demonstrating a technique, or demoing a gun. Think of it like a job interview. You've got 15 seconds to convince the viewer that it's worth watching, 30 seconds to say what's going on, and when in doubt think about your buddy's kid watching the video and how long they're going to stay interested.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:09 am
by Mr. E. Monkey
maine1 wrote:1) Buy a good gun, a proven model from a good brand, 2) learn all there is to know about function/malfunction/maintenance/smithing that model 3) get training 4) practice your ass off
5) get squared away logistically 6) duplicate the weapon.....

.. and it will not matter what gun you have.
1) Good advice
2) Not entirely sure that's completely possible. But good to learn as much as you can, then learn a little more as often as you can, sure.
3) Good advice
4) Good advice
5) Good advice
6) More guns? Good advice!

:mrgreen:

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:26 am
by JeeperCreeper
Doctorr Fabulous wrote: Don't take any of the criticism too hard, and for the love of god don't go full Buck Yeager and mouth off on video. The Internet Never Forgets.
He went full Yeager.... Never go full Yeager....

Unless you want views, the internet loves crazy people. Just think, Kim K has more hits on the internet than any learning institution. Any video I ever post will never get as many views as a video of a train wreck on top of a car crash. We as humans have not changed since the gladiator days, we now just do it streaming in 1080p HD.

But as far as content, I still can't watch that darn youtube at work so I'm missing out on what you said :( :ohdear:

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:12 am
by maine1
I assume you guys are talking about james yeagers litle video of a year or so ago, right?

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:31 am
by Doctorr Fabulous
Before that one, he issued an open challenge to his detractors to a duel, even writing up a "duel contract" and putting it out.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:16 am
by Gingerbread Man
maine1 wrote:I assume you guys are talking about james yeagers litle video of a year or so ago, right?
I'm convinced the whole James Yeager going ballistics was a marketing scheme and a good one too. Guys making absurd amounts of money right now all because he started the most epic flame war on the internet. He's said it a quite a few times, you want to be successful and generate loads of traffic, start a flame war on line and in real life.

I contend he knew exactly what he was doing and exactly how to say things to set the internet on fire. And he's a rich man for doing.

What's the phrase? No such thing as bad press. While everyone was watching the flames, people were signing up, buying his classes, buying his stuff and building his empire. It worked.

He also networks very well, has others on his side and on his channel, gets outside talent to come to him.

SOE isn't anything special, but look at that guys success. All because of flame wars on the internet.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:13 pm
by maine1
well, i suppose that its ONE way to grow ones business....

One of my ocasional students went to yeagers outfit for a handgun class, he said it was pretty good, the instructors were good, and he only saw Yeager once. did not make a huge impression.

personally, i'd prefer to give my training dollar to a 4o+ year old man that knows beter than to talk of shotting people on video..then posts it.

BUT, that's probably whay i'll never be a millionare..

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:29 pm
by Doctorr Fabulous
Tactickle Response is pretty highly rated, as I understand it, it's just the owner got famous for a major fuckup as a contractor, and then running his mount on YouTube.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:24 pm
by raistlin
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:Now there's nothing wrong with personality in a video, it's what makes Hickok45 so fun to watch, but if you watch his videos he still roughly follows the formula.
Yep. I really like Hickok45s videos (much better than nutnfancy--too long). :)

And to build on that and the other great suggestions DF gave you, note how Hickok45 doesn't just stand in place with the camera focused on him with one frame for the entire video. Sometimes the camera is focused on the gun he is talking about, or down range when he is shooting (not just on him shooting). Or it shows him moving around. Having the camera on a stand shooting the same frame up the entire time is too much like a talking head on TV. In your video, it would have been good to have camera closeups on the guns sometimes when talking about them. And you can even go back and film those later and edit your video to include them.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:33 pm
by Doctorr Fabulous
While I'm thinking about it, one of my favorite youtubers was ABSuperman, solely for his schtick of YELLING EXAGGERATEDLY WHENEVER HE PUT ON EAR PROTECTION. IT ADDED SOME LEVITY AND WAS ORIGINAL, AND did not take away from production as a whole. I guess where I'm going with this is not to lose the message in the flash, but never be afraid of experimenting or having some fun with it.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:57 pm
by eeb
I'd like to suggest a PSA for hearing protection. Short opening banter, first round fired the sound drops way down, replaced with a buzzing like ears ringing for the rest of the video. Bit of a tangent, but I think it'd be kinda funny. Act like you're saying really important stuff under the ringing.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:03 am
by 2now
I only click on links to videos if the text here is really compelling. Otherwise if no one cares enough to write something about it, I'm too busy to watch it.

That's just me.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:03 pm
by Viper shtf
And me. I can read a lot faster than a video plays.

Re: Carry/survival handguns

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:07 am
by shoggoth80
I like the video, and the points you make in the video. That said, it's a little long winded. I really like the "know your gun" section. I'm a fan of shooting the crap out of 'em, knowing what it takes to rip it down, and even what minimal cleaning I can get away with if I must do a fast n dirty field clean.

Ammo: learning to reload is sensible, as long as you are getting good savings for volume loading vs. volume buying. I load a lot of .45acp. I have loads in 3 different powders so far that work with my 1911. I could develop other loads as there are a lot of powders that work with that caliber. Getting dependable load data for your calibers matter. I dial in loads, write them down, and keep them in my ammo cans.

All that said, reloading seems a dying art. It's a shame. I've offered to teach some friends how... but one of them insists on just buying some off of me occasionally. I wish more people would learn to do this. Also, I can see reloading being a rather intimidating venture for the n00b shooter. Some stuff I don't reload (7.62x39... cheap enough to stock, not expensive enough to reload for) because it doesn't make financial sense.

Duplicate pistol... a nice idea. A sometimes difficult thing to do for a lot of people. Even cheap pistols at $500-600 are hard to swallow, let alone buying two. I don't disagree with the idea. I personally would love an AK that I shoot the living hell out of, bash around through carbine courses... and another set up and zeroed the same way to grab n go. I can't afford that right now. Granted, it's because I jumped into an AR build, and a second 1911 build (sort of a duplicate gun scenario. Building slower this time... so I won't use the same cost cutting measures as the first one... though the first is of good quality). Then again, a pair of fantastic plastics can be had for the cost of a pretty good 1911. This is not to instigate 1911 vs. whatever debate. It's just true when you look at the dollar signs.

All all, good major talking points. I put it on, and put the video in a different tab and listened to it.