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I'll admit I have a fasciation for clothes. Not that I look for a certain camo or some sort of specialty gear. Shit I'm a shorts and teeshirt guy. Ask the 005 members everyone is sitting around the camp fire in long sleeves and pants I'm in flipflops, short and a tee. My gearwhore-ish tendencies for clothing start with rain gear, and winter clothing. Because if its below 50 degrees here, it it's probably assured that it'll be raining. rain and cold don't mix. So its not that I am doing it out of fashion or that all I do is think about clothes. It's because I'd probably die if I didn't have my gortex jacket and pants, and yes, I paid stupid amounts of money for them. But my jacket is 7 years old (8 if you count model year) and to this day is STILL the best outdoor investment I've made bar none.

Though he brings a good point to the "hunter chic" or "bushcraft chic" I registered over at bushcraftusa and people there are all about the super heavy wool, canvas, and how to care about them. When I chimed in saying that my jacket and pants have lasted 6 years (at that time) and are still going strong I was damn near murdered with custom made knives. Yet not a single one could say why my gear was inferior to theirs other than it wasn't "bushcrafty enough." Even on this forum I've seen people talk about how all this stuff like sleeping bags, tents, shelters are over rated, they just lean up against a tree and pull the hood up of their cloak and sleep like that. As for hunter chic just walk around anywhere outside of a major city and you'll see "mossy oak" everything. People I know who say they hunt, but have never touched a gun or try to play country are have more sets of camo than any of preppers I know.

I believe author (as mentioned above) suffers from confirmation bias. He went looking for what he was interested in and found it, then wrote about it. Perhaps he went in to some deep prepper places where people talk about having thousands of cashes, bajillions of guns, and can start a fire using just the hot breath from the bullshit they are blowing out their word holes.

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Part of me says the article is motivated by elitist disdain ("...frontier lust with its apocalyptic anxiety") but I also feel there is some secret longing on the author's part to wear tacticool clothes and strut about with a rifle. Perfect mall ninja.
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Here we have 500K posts about guns vs next closest topic of "all other gear" at 175K and CP&P at 121K. Take out the Chat thread and Guns is 1/3 the site.

Guns are more a hobby for most of us, in many cases required professional equipment.


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I think it is safe to say that any assumptions made in the article are better attributed to the author then the interviewees, I think I saw in a reddit discussion that one of the interviewees at least didn't accept the overarching premise. A competent author can string quotes together to support nearly any conclusion.

If I were to pin a fetish on preppers in broad sweeping generalities, I would think backpacks, knives, guns or 4x4s would be an easier premise to support. I think it is safe to say that the hunters, bushcrafters and backpackers mentioned discuss clothing more then any prepper I've talked to. Enough preppers are stationary by nature (Bug-in proponents, homesteader types) that clothing discussion barely goes past which thrift store has the best deals. If you lump in militia/3per types with preppers the average might come up just from camo and uniform discussions, but even those are pretty minor compared to everything else they like to talk about (guns, comms, guns, current events, guns, rations, guns, etc).


I am surprised that no one has commented on the web site that the article is hosted at. Other stellar topics featured there are in the vein of:

Halal Nail Polish Finally Became a Thing This Week

Because of this article's claims I too looked over the numerous ZS threads and was hard pressed to find any special fascination with "prepper fashion". If anything a member has to be wary of being labeled a Mall Ninja. The article did note that "Some clothing companies, like Fortress Clothing and Beyond Clothing, specifically target preppers". I had never heard of them and with their pricing it is not likely I will buy from them. At Beyond Clothing they do have the "gray man" angle woven into some product descriptions such as this one:

"The A3 Lochi Jacket is designed for active use in cold environments, and is reversible for low-profile use in urban environments."
https://beyondclothing.com/collections/ ... 4163898637

Yea I noticed that it's a clothing ,beauty, style type of site so a preper clothing article kind of fit's in and was going to comment but my attention was caught by som Oooh lookit a squirrel

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I'll admit I have a fasciation for clothes. Not that I look for a certain camo or some sort of specialty gear. Shit I'm a shorts and teeshirt guy. Ask the 005 members everyone is sitting around the camp fire in long sleeves and pants I'm in flipflops, short and a tee. My gearwhore-ish tendencies for clothing start with rain gear, and winter clothing. Because if its below 50 degrees here, it it's probably assured that it'll be raining. rain and cold don't mix. So its not that I am doing it out of fashion or that all I do is think about clothes. It's because I'd probably die if I didn't have my gortex jacket and pants, and yes, I paid stupid amounts of money for them. But my jacket is 7 years old (8 if you count model year) and to this day is STILL the best outdoor investment I've made bar none.

Though he brings a good point to the "hunter chic" or "bushcraft chic" I registered over at bushcraftusa and people there are all about the super heavy wool, canvas, and how to care about them. When I chimed in saying that my jacket and pants have lasted 6 years (at that time) and are still going strong I was damn near murdered with custom made knives. Yet not a single one could say why my gear was inferior to theirs other than it wasn't "bushcrafty enough." Even on this forum I've seen people talk about how all this stuff like sleeping bags, tents, shelters are over rated, they just lean up against a tree and pull the hood up of their cloak and sleep like that. As for hunter chic just walk around anywhere outside of a major city and you'll see "mossy oak" everything. People I know who say they hunt, but have never touched a gun or try to play country are have more sets of camo than any of preppers I know.

I believe author (as mentioned above) suffers from confirmation bias. He went looking for what he was interested in and found it, then wrote about it. Perhaps he went in to some deep prepper places where people talk about having thousands of cashes, bajillions of guns, and can start a fire using just the hot breath from the bullshit they are blowing out their word holes.

This. Totally this. :clap:

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teotwaki wrote:
The article did note that "Some clothing companies, like Fortress Clothing and Beyond Clothing, specifically target preppers". I had never heard of them and with their pricing it is not likely I will buy from them. At Beyond Clothing they do have the "gray man" angle woven into some product descriptions such as this one:

"The A3 Lochi Jacket is designed for active use in cold environments, and is reversible for low-profile use in urban environments."
https://beyondclothing.com/collections/ ... 4163898637


fortress clothing almost markets exclusively to preppers, I hadn't heard of them until recently when they started popping up on several youtube channels being "tested," honestly I think they figured out that preppers where about the only ones gullible enough to buy them. The few times they showed up in backpacking circles they got laughed off the forums.

Beyond is an interesting case that I can't quite figure out, they did seem to get some decent sized military contracts for PCU garments, but their marketing does seem to focus on a vaguely tactical survivalist chic rather then actual LE or Mil use. Flip through their look books and you will find more knives and knot tying then carbines or mag pouches. Certainly their price point makes them only aspirational for most preppers, and the folks that are wearing it mostly seem to be "new golf" gun class attendees or professionals. It almost seems like they are trying to go after Triple Aught Designs customers rather then Crye Precision's, but at the price of the later.

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Yea I noticed that it's a clothing ,beauty, style type of site so a preper clothing article kind of fit's in and was going to comment but my attention was caught by som Oooh lookit a squirrel


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teotwaki wrote:
The article did note that "Some clothing companies, like Fortress Clothing and Beyond Clothing, specifically target preppers". I had never heard of them and with their pricing it is not likely I will buy from them. At Beyond Clothing they do have the "gray man" angle woven into some product descriptions such as this one:

"The A3 Lochi Jacket is designed for active use in cold environments, and is reversible for low-profile use in urban environments."
https://beyondclothing.com/collections/ ... 4163898637


fortress clothing almost markets exclusively to preppers, I hadn't heard of them until recently when they started popping up on several youtube channels being "tested," honestly I think they figured out that preppers where about the only ones gullible enough to buy them. The few times they showed up in backpacking circles they got laughed off the forums.

Beyond is an interesting case that I can't quite figure out, they did seem to get some decent sized military contracts for PCU garments, but their marketing does seem to focus on a vaguely tactical survivalist chic rather then actual LE or Mil use. Flip through their look books and you will find more knives and knot tying then carbines or mag pouches. Certainly their price point makes them only aspirational for most preppers, and the folks that are wearing it mostly seem to be "new golf" gun class attendees or professionals. It almost seems like they are trying to go after Triple Aught Designs customers rather then Crye Precision's, but at the price of the later.
Clothing for the hipster-prepper crowd. Unfortunately, I can believe it. Time 4 din-din.

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I was chatting with my wife about the article and she said "of course preppers are obsessed with 'chic' and everybody totally knows what is going on. There is no such thing as a 'gray man.' Have you seen how they all dress? Nobody else dresses like that!"

Further discussing it with her, she argues preppers and bushcrafters and survivalists all have a common look, and they stand out. In order to be truly "gray man," we need to pick a different subculture and assume that culture's identity.

We should look like jocks, or white collar, or LA fashionistas, or blue collar, or baristas, or bar tenders, or suburban families, etc. But a lot of us don't. We wear technical fabrics and technical cuts and earth tones and technical shoes and we have knives or other accessories stashed about our person within easy reach.

As she says that, I have visions of a bunch of customers I have seen who all either scream "military" or "police" or "prepper." As I have talked with them I often get responses that confirm their look. The community of the prepared really is VERY easy to identify. Especially the male side of the community.

Now she is looking over my shoulder as I'm typing and adding psychology and arguing men are more categorical in their thinking and approach to life. We are more apt to adopt a distinct tribal look, while women have a stronger emotional component that both reflects the inner mood at the moment and also is reflective of her emotional connections to the many elements that make up her identity. So in short, women more easily blend with the rest of other women. They may have a few elements of "preparedness" in their dress and bearing, but there are many other pieces too. Men are more "whole hog, everything or nothing."

And I just got to look at prepper fashion with my wife :)

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I myself buy clothes for their utility. I will buy earth tones, but I am more interested in how much of the sock is wool & what kind of wool it is. The olny 'purpose made' clothing I have bought so far is long underwear. I am blessed with all 4 seasons here. Like others, I want to make sure that I am warm & dry. Comfort over appearance.

Being retired on the Gov't dime, frugality comes into play for me as well.

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I was chatting with my wife about the article and she said "of course preppers are obsessed with 'chic' and everybody totally knows what is going on. There is no such thing as a 'gray man.' Have you seen how they all dress? Nobody else dresses like that!"

Further discussing it with her, she argues preppers and bushcrafters and survivalists all have a common look, and they stand out. In order to be truly "gray man," we need to pick a different subculture and assume that culture's identity.

We should look like jocks, or white collar, or LA fashionistas, or blue collar, or baristas, or bar tenders, or suburban families, etc. But a lot of us don't. We wear technical fabrics and technical cuts and earth tones and technical shoes and we have knives or other accessories stashed about our person within easy reach.

As she says that, I have visions of a bunch of customers I have seen who all either scream "military" or "police" or "prepper." As I have talked with them I often get responses that confirm their look. The community of the prepared really is VERY easy to identify. Especially the male side of the community.

Now she is looking over my shoulder as I'm typing and adding psychology and arguing men are more categorical in their thinking and approach to life. We are more apt to adopt a distinct tribal look, while women have a stronger emotional component that both reflects the inner mood at the moment and also is reflective of her emotional connections to the many elements that make up her identity. So in short, women more easily blend with the rest of other women. They may have a few elements of "preparedness" in their dress and bearing, but there are many other pieces too. Men are more "whole hog, everything or nothing."

And I just got to look at prepper fashion with my wife :)


I dunno, what she says does kinda make sense. But then I look at what I wear normally and I look just like most any of the thousands of cowboy/farmer/mechanical maintenance, construction type guys in my area. Boots,jeans, t-shirt/button work shirt , cap or cowboy hat. With knife clipped or on belt, multitool and/or fencing pliers and a small flashlight clipped to a pocket or in a holster. Are they all preppers? Not even close. But then again some of them , that don't even identify as preppers are probably more prepared and able then people who are hardcore preppers just because from birth they've raised their own food, hunted /shoot well. Canning/food preservation. Ect just as what country folk do on a farm or ranch. Around here if you see someone in military type clothes, it's because they are. Since we live within earshot of the BR1. If they are wearing tactical, more than likely they LEO/Security . One thing that made me pause though and I'm sure I saw it posted here somewhere is if you see a guy with a knife and flashlight clipped to their pants. More than likely they are also armed. In my experience , that's probably true and they most likely aren't preppers either.

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I dunno, what she says does kinda make sense. But then I look at what I wear normally and I look just like most any of the thousands of cowboy/farmer/mechanical maintenance, construction type guys in my area. Boots,jeans, t-shirt/button work shirt , cap or cowboy hat. With knife clipped or on belt, multitool and/or fencing pliers and a small flashlight clipped to a pocket or in a holster.


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I dunno, what she says does kinda make sense. But then I look at what I wear normally and I look just like most any of the thousands of cowboy/farmer/mechanical maintenance, construction type guys in my area. Boots,jeans, t-shirt/button work shirt , cap or cowboy hat. With knife clipped or on belt, multitool and/or fencing pliers and a small flashlight clipped to a pocket or in a holster.


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Yea .. But more hetro. This is Kansas , not game day in Tuscaloosa

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I live in Seattle, this should pass! :awesome: :clap:

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I dunno, what she says does kinda make sense. But then I look at what I wear normally and I look just like most any of the thousands of cowboy/farmer/mechanical maintenance, construction type guys in my area. Boots,jeans, t-shirt/button work shirt , cap or cowboy hat. With knife clipped or on belt, multitool and/or fencing pliers and a small flashlight clipped to a pocket or in a holster.


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Yea .. But more hetro. This is Kansas , not game day in Tuscaloosa


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That's the distraction taking your eyes OFF gray man... and don't all the women around him just look delighted ?

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That's the distraction taking your eyes OFF gray man... and don't all the women around him just look delighted ?


Looking at how the people around him are dressed, I can't imagine there is anything impressive. I'd be turtled up.

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That's the distraction taking your eyes OFF gray man... and don't all the women around him just look delighted ?
Well to be fair, the men look pretty delighted too :mrgreen:

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I was chatting with my wife about the article and she said "of course preppers are obsessed with 'chic' and everybody totally knows what is going on. There is no such thing as a 'gray man.' Have you seen how they all dress? Nobody else dresses like that!"


While it is pretty easy to imagine the ones like this (I always imagine head to toe 5.11), the inherent fallacy here is that those are only the ones you know about. You will never know how many folks are just better at managing their image. As with a lot of things the real "grey man" is most likely the people not consciously aiming for it, or simply the person consciously aiming for something else.

I totally agree with Mrs. Woodsghost that if you are trying to achieve a neutral image you will probably have a lot of tells you don't even realize, and making an effort to emulate an existing "look" is a much more sure way to blend in.

For me being young, bearded and with long hair it only takes a few outdoor gear logos displayed to get instantly lumped in with the granola crunchers and outsidey millennials, since this is the path of least resistance and a common sight were I live I don't do anything to discourage it. I make a point to not even have pocket knife clips visible, and sandals go a long way toward keeping a low signature as well.

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I always imagine head to toe 5.11


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I was chatting with my wife about the article and she said "of course preppers are obsessed with 'chic' and everybody totally knows what is going on. There is no such thing as a 'gray man.' Have you seen how they all dress? Nobody else dresses like that!"


While it is pretty easy to imagine the ones like this (I always imagine head to toe 5.11), the inherent fallacy here is that those are only the ones you know about. You will never know how many folks are just better at managing their image. As with a lot of things the real "grey man" is most likely the people not consciously aiming for it, or simply the person consciously aiming for something else.

I totally agree with Mrs. Woodsghost that if you are trying to achieve a neutral image you will probably have a lot of tells you don't even realize, and making an effort to emulate an existing "look" is a much more sure way to blend in.

For me being young, bearded and with long hair it only takes a few outdoor gear logos displayed to get instantly lumped in with the granola crunchers and outsidey millennials, since this is the path of least resistance and a common sight were I live I don't do anything to discourage it. I make a point to not even have pocket knife clips visible, and sandals go a long way toward keeping a low signature as well.

I dress pretty eccentrically at times, short shorts, kilts,etc.

Think star pattern meggings and patterned shorts. Not many people are going to think I have a Glock19 on me.

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Likewise now in the summer if I wear a vest...the goal is to have them looking at my other guns :awesome:

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RonnyRonin wrote:
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I was chatting with my wife about the article and she said "of course preppers are obsessed with 'chic' and everybody totally knows what is going on. There is no such thing as a 'gray man.' Have you seen how they all dress? Nobody else dresses like that!"


While it is pretty easy to imagine the ones like this (I always imagine head to toe 5.11), the inherent fallacy here is that those are only the ones you know about. You will never know how many folks are just better at managing their image. As with a lot of things the real "grey man" is most likely the people not consciously aiming for it, or simply the person consciously aiming for something else.

I totally agree with Mrs. Woodsghost that if you are trying to achieve a neutral image you will probably have a lot of tells you don't even realize, and making an effort to emulate an existing "look" is a much more sure way to blend in.

For me being young, bearded and with long hair it only takes a few outdoor gear logos displayed to get instantly lumped in with the granola crunchers and outsidey millennials, since this is the path of least resistance and a common sight were I live I don't do anything to discourage it. I make a point to not even have pocket knife clips visible, and sandals go a long way toward keeping a low signature as well.

I dress pretty eccentrically at times, short shorts, kilts,etc.

Think star pattern meggings and patterned shorts. Not many people are going to think I have a Glock19 on me.

Actual meggings:
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Likewise now in the summer if I wear a vest...the goal is to have them looking at my other guns :awesome:

Meggings.... Had to look that one up..

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I make a point to not even have pocket knife clips visible, and sandals go a long way toward keeping a low signature as well.


That would do it for me.

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I dress pretty eccentrically at times, short shorts, kilts,etc.

Think star pattern meggings and patterned shorts. Not many people are going to think I have a Glock19 on me.

Actual meggings:
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Likewise now in the summer if I wear a vest...the goal is to have them looking at my other guns :awesome:


Depending on the whole ensemble and your build, the shorts and kilts might still scream "prepper."

Those meggins on the other hand.... yeah, you'd totally fly under my "prepper radar."

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Depending on the whole ensemble and your build, the shorts and kilts might still scream "prepper."

Those meggins on the other hand.... yeah, you'd totally fly under my "prepper radar."

Well I'm not overweight and middle aged so my build doesn't fit "prepper" :awesome:

My morale patches can signal heavily but more power to ya if you get them.

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Depending on the whole ensemble and your build, the shorts and kilts might still scream "prepper."

Those meggins on the other hand.... yeah, you'd totally fly under my "prepper radar."

Well I'm not overweight and middle aged so my build doesn't fit "prepper" :awesome:

My morale patches can signal heavily but more power to ya if you get them.


Awww dang!!!! My my my. :awesome: :clap:

Any time I see moral patches, I see the prepared. If it sticks via velcro and the person is not clearly an anti-social sub-group, I assume they are preppers on some level. There are only two types of people who wear patches: the prepared, and the wannabes.

And I include most police and military in the category of "prepared." If they are running around wearing patches, they likely have a particular bent. If they don't choose to wear patches, I count them out. Plus they just look like gym monkeys at that point.

Oh, and Magpul phone cases. That kinda sends a signal. I have had good conversations with guys with Magpul phone cases.

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