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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by azstinger » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:40 pm

Can the carbine handle modern ammunition without modification or is it as picky as the garand for it wants?

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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by RickOShea » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:08 pm

azstinger wrote:Can the carbine handle modern ammunition without modification or is it as picky as the garand for it wants?
Watcha mean by "modern ammunition" ?
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by azstinger » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:28 pm

Non mil-surplus off the shelf wally world ammo. All of the people I have had face to face conversations with and know their creditability say that off the shelf .30-06 is a no-no for garands unless you install a gas plug to prevent damage to the op-rod.

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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

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azstinger wrote:Non mil-surplus off the shelf wally world ammo. All of the people I have had face to face conversations with and know their creditability say that off the shelf .30-06 is a no-no for garands unless you install a gas plug to prevent damage to the op-rod.
Mine shoots whatever brand soft-points or FMJs I've ever tried. I haven't seen much "surplus" .30 cal. carbine ammo around lately.....But I haven't really been looking either since collectors seem to have run up the price on the stuff.
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by skelco » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:48 pm

azstinger wrote:Can the carbine handle modern ammunition without modification or is it as picky as the garand for it wants?
mine shoots anything I feed it, anything from non jacketed WW2 surplus to Russian steel case
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Browning 35 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:47 am

azstinger wrote:Can the carbine handle modern ammunition without modification or is it as picky as the garand for it wants?
No, they aren't real picky.

One of the drawbacks of the .30 Carbine in that there aren't too many other guns made for that caliber, but one of the positives is that pretty much any .30 carbine ammo you find is going to be made for the M1 Carbine.

Not so with the 30-06.
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Kutter_0311 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:45 am

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azstinger wrote:Can the carbine handle modern ammunition without modification or is it as picky as the garand for it wants?
One of the drawbacks of the .30 Carbine in that there aren't too many other guns made for that caliber, but one of the positives is that pretty much any .30 carbine ammo you find is going to be made for the M1 Carbine. Not so with the 30-06.
And this is what it all comes down to, as far as ammo. M1 Carbines aren't going to be too picky about ammo because any .30 Carbine rounds you find are designed for that gun. Or did you think the M1 Carbine shot .30-06 like the Garand? Cuz that would break your shoulder right the fuck off, yo...
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Absintheur » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:42 pm

I did an old school conversion on my carbine...the longer stock fits me much better and the scope is a 2.5X El Paso Weaver with post and crosshair. Handles great and the low power scope is perfect for CQC as well as reaching out several hundred yards.

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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by azstinger » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:09 pm

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azstinger wrote:Can the carbine handle modern ammunition without modification or is it as picky as the garand for it wants?
One of the drawbacks of the .30 Carbine in that there aren't too many other guns made for that caliber, but one of the positives is that pretty much any .30 carbine ammo you find is going to be made for the M1 Carbine. Not so with the 30-06.
And this is what it all comes down to, as far as ammo. M1 Carbines aren't going to be too picky about ammo because any .30 Carbine rounds you find are designed for that gun. Or did you think the M1 Carbine shot .30-06 like the Garand? Cuz that would break your shoulder right the fuck off, yo...

Nope I knew it was a smaller caliber just didn't know it was kind of a one off caliber that really only it used.

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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Browning 35 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:32 pm

azstinger wrote:
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azstinger wrote:Can the carbine handle modern ammunition without modification or is it as picky as the garand for it wants?
One of the drawbacks of the .30 Carbine in that there aren't too many other guns made for that caliber, but one of the positives is that pretty much any .30 carbine ammo you find is going to be made for the M1 Carbine. Not so with the 30-06.
And this is what it all comes down to, as far as ammo. M1 Carbines aren't going to be too picky about ammo because any .30 Carbine rounds you find are designed for that gun. Or did you think the M1 Carbine shot .30-06 like the Garand? Cuz that would break your shoulder right the fuck off, yo...

Nope I knew it was a smaller caliber just didn't know it was kind of a one off caliber that really only it used.
It's been used in a few M1 Carbine knockoffs (carbines made in Italy and the Dominican Republic) and in a few handguns (AMT and the Ruger Blackhawk), but it was basically the M1's use in US Military service during a fairly narrow window of time that led it to even get chambered in those few other guns.

It's not a real great cartridge for medium sized game, so it kinda gradually dwindled ever since the 1950's.

The .30 Carbine's okay for small game though, but in the US it seems like any cartridge not suitable for deer or larger game gets sneered at.
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Kutter_0311 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:19 am

Browning 35 wrote:The .30 Carbine's okay for small game though, but in the US it seems like any cartridge not suitable for deer or larger game gets sneered at.
QFT. Grandpa loved his M1 Carbine, but it's kind of a PCC, without much for pistols to go with it, and scarce ammo.

I may still get one for the kids, though, to work them up to AK's. Light recoil, light weight, accurate...
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Browning 35 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:42 pm

Kutter_0311 wrote:
Browning 35 wrote:The .30 Carbine's okay for small game though, but in the US it seems like any cartridge not suitable for deer or larger game gets sneered at.
QFT. Grandpa loved his M1 Carbine, but it's kind of a PCC, without much for pistols to go with it, and scarce ammo.

I may still get one for the kids, though, to work them up to AK's. Light recoil, light weight, accurate...
I loved mine and I wish that I never sold it.

It was a Winchester that I bought in the early 90's for a little over $200 ($225 or $250...don't remember which).

Never shot anything with it that I remember (it was just kind of a high powered plinker), but it was fun as hell.

Maybe I'll get another one some day, bit it won't be anywhere near as cheap. M1 Carbine prices have gone through freaking roof!!!
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Kutter_0311 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:57 pm

Browning 35 wrote:Maybe I'll get another one some day, bit it won't be anywhere near as cheap. M1 Carbine prices have gone through freaking roof!!!
They sure have! Thank you, wave of WWII nostalgia brought on by deaths of WWII vets...

Incidentally, I really wanted to get one when I got out so I could drag Grandpa to the range and have him show me everything, but he passed before I could. Maybe that was best, I got lucky with the 1911, he only fam-fired it before going to Europe. He carried a carbine through the whole war, including getting burned very badly at Monte Cassino. He spoke well of the carbine, but perhaps putting his hands on one would have tripped some bad shit. Too late now, at any rate...
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

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Browning 35 wrote:Maybe I'll get another one some day, bit it won't be anywhere near as cheap. M1 Carbine prices have gone through freaking roof!!!
They sure have! Thank you, wave of WWII nostalgia brought on by deaths of WWII vets...

Incidentally, I really wanted to get one when I got out so I could drag Grandpa to the range and have him show me everything, but he passed before I could. Maybe that was best, I got lucky with the 1911, he only fam-fired it before going to Europe. He carried a carbine through the whole war, including getting burned very badly at Monte Cassino. He spoke well of the carbine, but perhaps putting his hands on one would have tripped some bad shit. Too late now, at any rate...
I was lucky enough to be able to put a Garand, a carbine, and a Thompson in my Dad's hands and let him talk a little about all three, and his experiences with them during the war. His memory was fuzzy, but it was amazing to watch him hold them almost reverently.

When he held the Thompson, you could tell he remembered some ugly stuff, so I know what you mean. Dad talked so little about the war, and I didn't want to upset him, knowing he killed men with his Thompson, but I think he was OK at that moment. The memory of him racking the slide back, just like it was 50 years before, is one I will always cherish.

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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Kommander » Tue May 22, 2012 2:22 am

Browning 35 wrote:The .30 Carbine's okay for small game though, but in the US it seems like any cartridge not suitable for deer or larger game gets sneered at.
I have to wonder how a cartridge that's not suitable for deer would be suitable for self defense?
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Post by azrael99 » Tue May 22, 2012 8:23 am

is there any company making modern M1 carbine ? i know ruger make a .22 version.
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azrael99 wrote:is there any company making modern M1 carbine ? i know ruger make a .22 version.
Auto-Ordnance. There are a couple of companies that sell totally refurbished M1 carbines, like Miltech Arms.
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Post by azrael99 » Tue May 22, 2012 9:01 am

and i presume for a "good price, because you look friendly" too, right ?
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by mk_ultra » Tue May 22, 2012 4:10 pm

Had an interesting thought last night as I was drifting off to sleep .

M1 Carbine + Ultimak scout rail + variable power LER scope .

Seen ultamak rails with red dots on a carbine , but never a true scout scope . Would make getting hits to 200 a hell of a lot easier .
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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by RickOShea » Tue May 22, 2012 4:34 pm

mk_ultra wrote:Had an interesting thought last night as I was drifting off to sleep .

M1 Carbine + Ultimak scout rail + variable power LER scope .

Seen ultamak rails with red dots on a carbine , but never a true scout scope . Would make getting hits to 200 a hell of a lot easier .
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skelco wrote:love it!

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Does that magnify as well? I have been thinking about getting a red dot/mag combination for my ruger.

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Re: M1 .30 Carbine with red dot sights

Post by Browning 35 » Wed May 23, 2012 9:57 am

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Browning 35 wrote:The .30 Carbine's okay for small game though, but in the US it seems like any cartridge not suitable for deer or larger game gets sneered at.
I have to wonder how a cartridge that's not suitable for deer would be suitable for self defense?
I think that it's one of those deals where a solid hit from FMJ hit from a .30 carbine would be lethal in deer hunting, but not right away. So basically you'd kill it, but you'd lose it in the brush.

I'm not sure that it's a good comparison to choose your defensive calibers based on how they'd do on deer though.

Deer and other wild animals are tougher than people. I've seen deer take off and run across a wide field after being shot through both lungs and the bottom of the heart with a .270 Win before it finally catches up with them. Seen a few Heart-D/lung broadside shots made with 30-06's and 6.8's...same thing.

Deer are springy, all eyes, nerves and muscle. Built for speed and to get away from predators. Unless they're tagged in the spine or brain they can get a fair distance before you can blink.

With people I've seen the same wound with a 9mm and the .45 ACP and they dropped and never moved from the spot that they got shot in til we moved them. At most I've seen people move a few feet.

FMJ isn't exactly the end all/be all when it comes to field uses and social purposes.

While loaded with defensive ammo the .30 Carbine supposed to be a different story anyway. Jim Cirillo of the NYPD supposedly sung the praises of the M1 Carbine when it was loaded with soft points. Not quite a medium weight hunting caliber, but good enough for across the street or down the hallway on a burglar/armed robber.
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Post by sarky » Wed May 23, 2012 10:59 am

I have 5, none of them in .357 but one is in .256 win Mag and another is in 9mm Magnum.
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