UrbanConquest wrote:I kinda wonder who this army is that is going to be attacking some of you so that you need all this firepower.
If we are talking zeds,why waste ammo that could feed you? Run away! You can't possibly shoot them all in a serious outbreak, save the ammo for when you really need it, there won't be anymore for a long time.
In a SHTF situation again... run away! Keep a low profile. Suppressive fire is great if you have an army backing you up, otherwise it's back to hunting ethics, don't take the shot unless you know it's going to be a hit and don't shoot unless you have to. No need for rapid fire, you can't miss fast enough to win, save that ammo.
I wonder how many here have actually had a man in their sights and their finger on the trigger.
Lever gun is fine with me.
Sorry for the long post. Long Post got Long:
Granted, but we're all looking for the best tool for the job here, and that job is a firefight (most of the time, whenever a question is asked or a thread is started here). Now, will we ever be in a true, high-speed, high-volume, close-to-intermediate range gun battle with rifles requiring teamwork, mag changes, and tactical maneuvers? No, that's VERY unlikely, and thank God for it. *waves American flag*
But.....we're preppers. Hurricanes don't hit me with any significant disruptive force more than once every few years, either. I still prep for them, and I prep for worse things that have never happened and that likely (and hopefully) will never happen.
If the questions are something like this:
1. Is a lever action the rifle of choice to take to a MilCopp or similar class to learn real gunfighting skills with?
2. Is a lever action the best gun for home and neighborhood protection against two-legged and armed assailants?
3. Is a lever action the best for armed military combat?
4. Is a lever action the best gun that you could possibly legally prep with for now when SHTF or the Apocalypse comes?
then the answer is always "No".
But that shit doesn't happen on most days. In fact, some of that stuff has never happened to us, and will with an almost certainty
never happen to us.
Now, let's ask some other questions that I think might land in the realm of either "possible" or even "probable":
1. Could a lever gun with which I am capable of fighting with and using
ever be acceptable for home defense under most reasonable circumstances?
2. Would a lever gun, when introduced into a court of law after a defensive shooting that became a personal nightmare for whatever reason, be less likely to engender fear and paranoia among those jurors deciding my fate?
3. Can a lever gun, with proper and adequate training, be wielded effectively against one or a few assailants to eliminate the most common and/or likely threats that I might face inside my home or on my property in this country?
4. I already own a lever gun, and am proficient and practiced with it, and I just don't have the money to invest in the best combat rifle platform. Maybe I never will. Will I be okay if I use my lever that I love and can run to the best of its abilities if something bad happens?
5. Are lever guns just dead fucking sexy and awesomesauce?
then the answers to those questions (IMHO) are "yes, it sure can".
So, let's all step back and put this thread in the proper context, and that context is comprehensive
prepping, and it includes all of the (legitimate) subforums outside of Firearms to a varying degree. No one outside of the worlds billionaires can prep for absolutely everything with all the best of everything. In fact, most of us struggle to try and plan for a retirement in a world in which everything won't
go tits up on us, and we'll always have cops and electricity mostly at our beck and call. How obscenely fortunate we are for that!
Let's ask some more questions, under the assumption that one already has a lever gun in a suitable caliber and is (or can become) proficient in its use in a home-defense role:
1. Should I get a modern military semiautomatic, a reliable optic, and a chest rig instead of health insurance?
2. Instead of saving for retirement?
3. Instead of food and water preps?
4. Instead of medicine preps?
5. Instead of a reliable vehicle that does not break down and cost more than its worth?
6. Instead of securing education or training that would provide adequate income-earning potential that I do not currently have?
7. Instead of going into greater debt to purchase #1 right now?
That's where I'm going with this.
So, Trebor tried to answer the question "Is a lever gun that I am proficient with and that is of a suitable self-defense caliber adequate for the vast majority of self-defense situations that I might encounter?"
That answer is (again, IMHO) "Yes". The same cannot be said of rimfires, bolt-actions, .25 ACP pocket pistols, unreliable firearms, and single-shot guns.
So thanks, Trebor.