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The battle of the PCCs

Post by the_alias » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 pm

I want a PCC - 9mm is so cheap (for now...) and it just seems fun gun to add to the arsenal.

Here are the options I'm considering with pro's and con's I can think of - looking for feedback and experience from people who own/have shot.

Ruger PC9

Pro's:

- Uses Glock mags - I have a bunch already
- Good price
- Looks like TaranTactical might be producing some aftermarket stuff for this rifle
- Rail system

Con's:

- Heard mixed stuff about Ruger's quality control
- From some USPSA people I know rumours of some reliability issues
- Less 'cool' than some of the other options

AR9

Pro's:

- Same manual of arms as AR
- Good parts/options availability
- Can build it out myself most likely over time
- Build a Glock mag compatible one
- Option to make it a pistol (7inch or 10 inch barrel)

Con's:

- Blowback from suppressing (if I do later) meant to be nasty
- It's another AR (I'll be honest aesthetics matter and I have 2 AR's already)
- Price - making a high end one seems pretty pricey

Scorpion Evos3

Pro's

- Like the looks
- Seems good to suppress
- CZ good quality
- All in one package
- Could also buy a pistol with brace

Con's

- Trigger meant to be pretty bad (springs and upgrade packages are available)
- Buying new mags is a pain for a few reasons.
- Double the cost of a PC9

Keltec Sub2000

Pro's

- Foldable
- Glock mags
- Cheap

Con's

- Seems hard to find
- Reliability?
- Aesthetics/life

Others?

What am I missing? Ideally I think I would like to keep it to having always option of it being a real rifle so I can shoot occasional USPSA PCC match (for fun not competition)...
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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by raptor » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:15 pm

You did leave out the Beretta Storm. That said no Glock magazine compatability.
https://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/ ... -carbines/

The other one is the Mech-tech conversion for the Glock. I have read good and bad things about their reliability
https://mechtechsys.com/glock-carbine-conversion/

The Roni with a 16 inch barrel is another version. This uses the standard Glock pistol albeit with a 16 inch barrel to avoid the stamp tax and get better velocity.
https://www.glockstore.com/RONI-Civilia ... 6-Barrel_2

The two above are clearly Glock compatible.

I have looked at these with an eye towards buying one but have not pulled the trigger yet( yes bad pun intended).

My purposes are a bit different. I wanted it to replace an AR pistol I use for self defense.

You hit on the key issues for me Glock magazine compatibility and reliability.

I got my hands on a Keltec 2000 at a range and honestly the cheek weld and ergonomics did not work for me. It was ok but it just did not work for me. Be sure to try one before you buy one. The sights were also plastic and flimsy but that can be fixed.

The Ruger is IMO the better choice for me although I agree it is truly a Fudd firearm. However it fit my hands and the sights were ok for me. The ergonomics reminded me of a 10/22.

I would suggest the Roni conversion since it utilizes the very reliable Glock pistol albeit with a longer barrel. It should be very reliable.

In the end I went a different route and stayed with the Ar pistol.

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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by Burncycle » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:06 pm

I haven't really found the perfect PCC yet. Nearly all of them seem unnecessarily bulky or have a cheap feeling.



AR based PDWs can get pretty darn small
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and can be had in better calibers like 300 blackout. With AR kits and platforms being very inexpensive lately, it would be the near perfect solution if ammunition wasn't so obnoxiously expensive, so I get the appeal of a PCC -- they just need to make them smaller.


The in development Tac 9 is intriguing from a size and simplicity standpoint. Presumably they'll be adding sights at some point...

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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by Stercutus » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:19 pm

Tac 9 is intriguing from a size and simplicity standpoint. Presumably they'll be adding sights at some point...
If it is anything like the Tec-9 it is trying to look like it won't need sights. Every round will head in a random direction.


I'm on the AR Pistol bandwagon. It's easier to suppress and you can change calibers faster than changing your socks.


Also nobody mentioned the HiPoint which now comes in four calibers last I checked. Uglier than a Mexican Hairless mixed with a Chinese Crested but it works.
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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by boskone » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:01 pm

I wish someone would make one compatible with XD mags; I already own the pistol, dangit. Theoretically I could pretty easily convert my mags for a Beretta 92-compat one, but AFAIK offhand there's only the CX4 Storm and some even more expensive AR PCCs. :\

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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by flybynight » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:14 am

Stercutus wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:19 pm
Tac 9 is intriguing from a size and simplicity standpoint. Presumably they'll be adding sights at some point...
If it is anything like the Tec-9 it is trying to look like it won't need sights. Every round will head in a random direction.


I'm on the AR Pistol bandwagon. It's easier to suppress and you can change calibers faster than changing your socks.


Also nobody mentioned the HiPoint which now comes in four calibers last I checked. Uglier than a Mexican Hairless mixed with a Chinese Crested but it works.
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Also what about those AK- 9's?

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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by emclean » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:52 am

boskone wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:01 pm
I wish someone would make one compatible with XD mags; I already own the pistol, dangit. Theoretically I could pretty easily convert my mags for a Beretta 92-compat one, but AFAIK offhand there's only the CX4 Storm and some even more expensive AR PCCs. :\
look up Thureon Defense, they make an AR-ish PCC that takes XD, M&P or Sig mags.

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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by Zed Hunter » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:50 am

No I won't sell my camp carbine.

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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by Dabster » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:34 pm

No love for the super-soft-shooting Kriss Vector?

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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by flybynight » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:21 pm

Zed Hunter wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:50 am
No I won't sell my camp carbine.
Well if you insist. Yes you can just give me your camp carbine :clap: :clownshoes:
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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by the_alias » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:23 pm

These responses have slightly disappointed me :(

RE Kriss Vector - shot one at the range once - where the safety was felt pretty bad to me...
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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by flybynight » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:18 pm

the_alias wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:23 pm
These responses have slightly disappointed me :(

RE Kriss Vector - shot one at the range once - where the safety was felt pretty bad to me...
Well what did you expect? There is no wondernine of the carbine land. Z H's camp nine is probably the best of the bunch and they haven't made those in over thirty odd years.
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Re: The battle of the PCCs

Post by raptor » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:03 pm

the_alias wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:23 pm
These responses have slightly disappointed me :(

RE Kriss Vector - shot one at the range once - where the safety was felt pretty bad to me...
The last PCC in 9mm that I liked was a S&W Model 76 clone.

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